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Supergirl (2026)

SUPERGIRL is a fairly straight forward modern super hero movie, and I think a pretty good one, though (to quote the great philosopher Dalton) opinions vary. It follows SUPERMAN in James Gunn’s new Detective Comics Comics movie universe, but it’s directed by Craig Gillespie (FRIGHT NIGHT remake) and written by Ana Nogueira (an actress and playwright).

I, TONYA put Gillespie on the map, or at least is the credit people always put after his name, but I think what qualified him for this was CRUELLA, a movie I watched way after the fact and didn’t review but thought was a surprisingly stylish and clever version of the Misunderstood I.P. Villainess subgenre. Here he brings similar sensibilities to the sturdy foundation of the 2021 mini-series Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow by writer Tom King and artist Bilquis Evely. Like THE MANDALORIAN AND GROGU this is a pretty humble, self-contained space western, specifically a space TRUE GRIT, though moreso in the comic (since it’s narrated by an adult version of the precocious young protagonist). After Ruthye (Eve Ridley) loses her entire family to scumbag brigands she goes to a saloon and offers a sword made by her late father (Ferdinand Kingsley, DRACULA UNTOLD) to whoever will help her track down his killer, Krem of the Yellow Hills (Matthias Schoenaerts, BLACK BOOK, RUST AND BONE, THE DROP, THE OLD GUARD). Kara Zor-El, street name Supergirl (Milly Alcock, UNTITLED TAKASHI MIIKE FILM) is there, and not interested, but drunkenly helps the girl not get robbed, so the next morning Krem steals her ship and shoots her flying dog Krypto with a poison dart. That’s how Supergirl and Ruthye end up traveling together on a space Greyhound. Supergirl needs to find Krem in three moonfalls to get the antidote to save Krypto; Ruthye tags along because she wants to kill Krem.

Obviously this Supergirl is pretty different from the Helen Slater version, and possibly the cinematic super hero who does the most vomiting. I’m not really sure who else is in the running. This story begins while she’s on a solo pub crawl to mark her 23rd birthday. Since her powers come from our yellow sun, she likes visiting planets with red ones in order to feel the effects of whiskey. Different planets and a poisoning or two cause her to lose and gain her powers throughout her various scraps in the movie. She can fight pretty good without them – normal person fight pretty good, not god-like. But man, if somebody’s messing with her and she gets to that sweet yellow sunlight, they better look out. It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s your ass.

As we learn in a few flashbacks, Supergirl had it a little rougher than her older cousin of steel, who she calls Clark (David Corenswet, PEARL). She was born and raised on Argo, a chunk of Krypton that was separated and protected with a force field, until Kryptonite radiation slowly killed her mom (Emily Beecham, GUY RICHIE’S THE COVENANT) and most of the rest of her civilization, and then her dad (David Krumholtz, BATTLE FOR TERRA) sent her reluctantly to Earth. (With Krypto, at least.) She has clearly adjusted well in the sense that she speaks casual English and enjoys our music and fashion (including cool sunglasses, but mostly for hangover protection). But Clark worries about her spending so much time off planet getting wasted. Yeah, he’s a nerd, and she should be allowed to have some fun, and be a mess for a while. I love that she sleeps in her cluttered spaceship, like she lives in a van or an RV. But if this becomes her life and not her vacation he’s right to worry.

Movie Krem is pretty different from comic Krem, who’s just a guy with a red beard. Here he’s sicko Schoenarts with a grid of facial piercings. His brigands are traffickers, they steal girls for the proliferation of an all male race, whatever that means. There’s some unmistakable FURY ROAD influence in the rescuing of “the brides,” the occasional shades of Junkie XL in Claudia Sarne (THE BOOK OF ELI, TRIPLE 9)’s score, and a beautiful moment that I think is Supergirl’s version of Furiosa dropping to her knees after she realizes the Green Place is gone. (Supergirl’s is in space, where no one can hear you primal scream.)

The super-powered action is definitely in the Gunn tradition – needle drops, speed ramping, mayhem staged just out of sight while we’re focused on something else happening. It’s not always as visually coherent as I’d like, so I understand some criticisms of it. Certainly not the best version of this sort of thing we’ve seen, but also not the kind that just washes over me. I was invested. I enjoyed it. (Fight coordinator: former JCVD stunt double Trayan Milenov-Troy. Stunt coordinator: Florian Robin, Luke Skywalker double in THE LAST JEDI.)

There’s a guest appearance by Lobo (Jason Momoa, ROAD TO PALOMA), ludicrous immortal biker bounty hunter, kind of DC’s equivalent to Deadpool, a comedic character who enjoys killing, calls people “bastiches,” smokes cigars like he thinks you’re gonna be impressed by that, wears King Diamond makeup. I can understand why the uninitiated would wonder what the fuck is up with him, but I get a kick out of seeing the character’s stupid swagger directly translated to the screen. It’s like he came through a portal from a 1998 New Line Cinema movie we never knew existed, and I think he visits us the right amount of time: less than a main character, more than a clearly-filmed-a-bunch-of-separate-shots-in-a-day-or-two-Mickey-Rourke-VOD-movie style cameo. And I like how when Supergirl sees him she’s just like ah, shit, it’s Lobo, and doesn’t want to engage at all. She knows he’s gonna fuck up the situation, but also I think she just finds him annoying. He is literally a creep at the bar she hopes doesn’t notice her sitting there.

The comic is very fantasy (swords and brigands and stuff) + space opera (interstellar bus full of different aliens), and since the movie leans a little more into the second one, and has some pop music, everybody compares it to GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY. Not a bad thing, in my opinion. A difference from that or Gunn’s SUPERMAN is that it’s not very joke oriented. I found lots of humor just in Supergirl’s personality and exasperated reactions to her adventures, and the tone certainly seems closer to Gunn than to Zack Snyder, but especially after MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE I appreciate a movie that doesn’t feel full of cracks and winks and fake outs. And I find something appealing about it dealing with some dark and sad material inside a colorful and cartoony world without feeling like that in itself is supposed to be subversive or, you know, twisted or whatever. Something Lobo would be into. No, it feels sincere to me. Supergirl knows that yes, some horrible stuff happens to some of us, and we try to act tough and cynical about it but it hurts us and we need to face it sooner or later and maybe we can try to do it together.

I love the arc of the Supergirl suit. She wears a Blondie t-shirt for much of the movie, her stylish trenchcoat standing in for the cape, and she looks great. Before Ruthye knows anything about her she spots the blue and red suit as just one of the things piled on the floor of her ship, and it definitely piques her interest. She clocks that it’s something important. Much later in a time of trouble the kid brings it to her, saying she thought it would help, and Supergirl says that it’s just a suit, it doesn’t do anything. She says it with sadness and a touch of oh, you sweet naive little thing. But it kind of does do something: it reminds her of the aspirations she does share with her cousin, if not the optimism. And the ideals her parents tried to instill in her. So when she puts it on it means something.

In fact, that makes it feel very different to me from that old comic book movie thing where they hold off giving them the traditional comic book costume ‘cause they’re kind of embarrassed of it. Here there’s a novelty to seeing her fly around in her civilian clothes. She looks cool, she has personality, I dig it, I don’t yearn for her to switch to the blue and red. But then when she finally does it’s like – man, look at her. It’s Supergirl.

I have heard reference to people hating the movie, a few of them maybe for opinionated comic book reasons, and though I haven’t looked into it I’m guessing in some cases it’s for the choice that Supergirl makes at the end. It goes against what Superman would do and what she teaches Ruthye to do, and I think if I felt like I was supposed to go, “Oh, ha ha, that’s what you get for fucking with Supergirl, ‘cause this isn’t your grandmother’s Supergirl!” then it would bother me too. But I really do like it because I think it’s more complicated than that. I think that while Supergirl really has had a coming-of-age type experience in this movie she’s still less over it than she’s letting on. She’s not endorsing a cynical world view as much as punishing herself, claiming a martyr status, taking on the burden she didn’t want for Ruthye. She knows how to advise Ruthye when she’s in big sister or cool auntie mode, but she doesn’t give the same care to herself. Does she know that what she did made Lobo smile? Maybe that would give her pause. She has more healing to do, and we want that for her.

Maybe that would happen in another movie, maybe in our imagination. It seems that this one’s not doing great, most people seem to like it less than me, and it’s only DC movie #2 at a time when the people who have been declaring comic book movies dead for 25 years have more of a point than usual. I hope that doesn’t derail Gunn’s plans, but I’d also like to get away from this tendency to discuss comic book movies mostly in terms of what they set up for next time, the tv-recap-ification of cinema. I really like SUPERMAN and SUPERGIRL on their own, whatever else happens. SUPERMAN is definitely the better movie, but also the more unwieldy one. I like SUPERGIRL’s relative simplicity, its small personal stakes, that it’s so much centered on just spending a few days with these two characters, technically a quest but in the end it feels more like a consequential summer vacation. They were both dealing with heavy shit alone, they got stuck together just when they needed it, they bonded and learned from each other. There is also flying and punching, but it was the other part that made a strong impression on me, and that’s to the movie’s credit. I’m good just hanging out with Supergirl. She’s fun.

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22 Responses to “Supergirl (2026)”

  1. I really liked this one. I have reservations– the ending, yes, and also the overall harsh tone. I wonder what the 12/13 year old girl in the Super-shield t-shirt at my screening thought of this. It’s a mean movie, with child death, sex space-trafficking, a really gross villain, and just general suffering and depression. But to survive it, Kara clings to her dog. That I felt pretty hard. Kinda reminded me of FURIOSA throughout, though I wish the ending hewed a little closer to that.

    I thought Alcock was pretty terrific. And also David Krumholtz as Zor-El. Acting entirely in a made-up language, but emoting so powerfully. Momoa’s Lobo felt wholly gratuitous, but gratuitousness is kinda Lobo’s whole thing.

  2. I appreciate how I can always count on you for a fair-minded look at movies like SUPERGIRL, Vern! I loved how much it felt like CAPTAIN MARVEL, in that a lot of care was obviously taken to service the character above all else, and to give her something to *become*, even in her first outing, that isn’t necessarily the final perfect version of Supergirl we might expect. It was fun, and I’m excited to watch it again.

  3. I’m confused, is this a different Supergirl movie? A number of major outlets have been running headlines that seem just short of “HAS SUPERGIRL KILLED ALL FILMED ENTERTAINMENT FOREVER?” but you seem to be saying this one is okay.

  4. I thought this was pretty weak sauce throughout. Brown and yellow, main character spends the first 20 minutes puking, a whole subplot about Kara’s mother and father dying of cancer. All of the action felt like an afterthought, something to get through, rather than a centerpiece. Played like a copy of a copy of Gunn’s work on SUPERMAN and Guardians. Story beats like the brides just reminded me of better movies, and it ends with kind of a shrug. Not the worst thing I’ve ever seen but certainly low tier for this kind of movie. Also her losing/gaining/losing powers situation was so completely arbitrary as to be pointless, since apparently everyone has Superman level strength and endurance.

  5. This is gonna have to be a “watch it on standard def DVD from the library long after everybody else stops caring about it” thing for me. I’m sure the movie’s fine, as far as these things go, but I am not in the market for a new comic book superhero universe at this time. I gave Gunn one chance to change my mind, and he very much failed to do so. This one seems a whole lot more tolerable than that whirlwind of belligerence, but not enough to get me to spend money or expend effort.

    Honestly, it is something of a relief to know there’s an entire upcoming slate of nerd properties that everybody’s going to have hot takes on that I feel no obligation to engage with. I mean, I’m gonna be 50 years old next year. Not having to have an opinion about Supergirl is one of the privileges of old age.

  6. As perfect as Momoa seems to be for Lobo (I haven’t seen this so I can’t say for sure, but he certainly seems like the perfect casting), I must say I am still a little bummed that we never got to see the version of Lobo from the 90s starring Andrew Bryniarski (THE PROGRAM). I don’t know how far along that one was but I was in his apartment one day when he was doing some makeup and costuming testing and he was almost as perfect a choice back then as Momoa is now.

    Anyway, I probably won’t see this one in the theater because I’m traveling and this will probably be shoved into the smaller side screens at the theater by the time I get back home. But it is kind of a bummer that it seems to be tanking since she seems like a great Supergirl and all.

  7. I would like to take this opportunity to recall that I suggested casting Momoa as Lobo (and to have a solo Lobo movie written and directed by Rob Zombie) in the 3 FROM HELL review thread and I think everyone can agree that I definitely made that happen, so like, look upon my works ye mighty and… roll your eyes and exhale sharply through your nose, or something. I still think a hard R Lobo movie with topless alien women and green blood would be a good fit for Zombie.

    This is now the only comment section on the entire Internet that I can tolerate reading about superhero/sci fi movies, ESPECIALLY superhero/sci fi movies with a female lead. Every other discussion I’ve been unlucky enough to skim of this movie online is radioactive culture war garbage. It’s nice to get a review that isn’t a hit or think piece and is just a review of the movie on it’s merits. Even if it’s just an unremarkable movie.

  8. Majestyk – That’s funny, because I keep hearing that ONLY men in their fifties care about these types of movies anymore. (I’m okay with that. Make them fringe again.)

    Dtroyt – They keep making a big deal about Momoa having played two DC icons, but Bryniarski would’ve been both Lobo and Chip Shreck.

    Crudnasty – I would watch Rob Zombie’s LOBO. Hopefully as good or better than THE MUNSTERS.

  9. I liked this, but also had reservations. I didn’t really like the look of it and I didn’t think the action sequences were that great. I think Craig Gillespie messed up with the lighting and colours and I think that might be a big reason it might feel a little ‘off’. I get that a lot of it Mad Max-inspired, but Fury Road and Furiosa were actually bright and colourful despite mostly taking place in barren deserts.

  10. I don’t know who I keep confusing Craig Gillespie with, but I always think of him as an arthouse director who made an award winning immigrant drama before he went mainstream with FRIGHT NIGHT. But then I look him up on IMDb and his debut was MR WOODCOCK. Didn’t know he directed THE FINEST HOURS too, one of the most competent true story disaster flicks in the history of competent true story disaster flicks.

  11. Oh that’s right! He did play the son in Batman Returns. Talk about a growth spurt. It was only, what, 3 years or so between that and his role as the roided out monster in The Program.

    Also, as I type this I just happen to be wearing my Argyle t-shirt (a Vern original)

  12. Speaking of pop culture that appeals mainly to 50-somethings… is referencing Joan Jett and/or Debbie Harry still the only possible way to tell us a female character is edgy?

    Don’t get me wrong, I love them both (happy birthday Debbie) and for all I know maybe the kidz still look to them as timeless cool a la James Dean. But when I saw Kara wearing that Blondie shirt for half the movie, and then when I heard that electronic opening squeal that told me “okay, I guess it’s time to hear ‘Bad Reputation’ yet again” I couldn’t help but wonder: might someone her age be more likely to be into Pink or Sofia Isella or someone else more contemporary? I don’t know much about Chappell Roan but at least she is actually still controversial today, not 40 years ago before becoming safely canonized by history.

    I also wonder if that model of punk rebellion might speak more to Gen-X and younger boomers than to the youngest generations today. We already know that the right-wing manosphere bros have trouble with female protagonists who don’t conform to male preferences. But by contrast, the social-media left today – with their focus on collective identity and political activism – are maybe not so likely to root for an individualistic social dropout who’s reluctant to get involved, least of all one at the center of a big-budget IP commercial tentpole.

    And while the dudebros are mocking Milly Alcock for her allegedly Will Poulter-esque facial structure, I suspect that left-leaning audiences who use “white women” as a slur equivalent to “boomer” might instead see Alcock as yet another size-zero blonde girlboss. And that’s without addressing the much-criticized “privileged protagonist resists their privilege to be edgy and cool, before finally embracing it” trope.

    All of this is me trying to rationalize the possible reasons why the movie isn’t being received very warmly. The conventional wisdom has long been that Hollywood studios won’t take a chance on movies about heroines. But today one might just as easily argue the opposite, that they have continued to double down on such movies despite disappointing box-office results.

    I like these punk-girl movies like FURIOSA and THE BRIDE!, so maybe I should just be happy that Hollywood won’t give up on them, much like the old-timey pulp movies that Vern champions. But their low box office makes me wonder: Are misogynistic males the only problem? Could it also be that there’s just not that big a female audience for women-led action movies and superhero movies, that they maybe relate more to other genres and that it’s tone-deaf to assume most women want to play in this traditionally male sandbox? I mean, we like these movies around here, but maybe there’s just not enough of us.

    But in the case of SUPERGIRL, maybe the story is part of the problem. It seems like the script was trying to avoid the natural story choices for a superhero movie just to try to be different. I wanted to see how this character came to be (instead of skipping her entire adolescence as an Earthling), and I wanted to see her in Metropolis!

    Maybe they figured audiences were sick of watching buildings and cars get demolished and that an outer-space setting would be more novel, and perhaps that part of the male audience would feel less threatened watching Supergirl beat up alien pirates instead of anyone who might be a believable villain in our world.

    And maybe they figured the traditional approach of devoting the first half of a movie to the origin story was old-hat, and that some fragmentary flashbacks during the main story would be a more novel approach.

    But to me those choices felt like admitting that audiences have already seen too many superhero movies, and that struggling to vary the format is the only way to keep them from being bored.

    So all of that is my take on this mostly okay movie: it’s trying to market an older model of feminism while also struggling to revitalize a stale genre.

    CRUELLA was awesome by the way.

  13. Peter Campbell

    July 1st, 2026 at 3:29 pm

    I enjoyed Supergirl but wished I liked it more. Essentially when it was around Kara and her story of PTSD and trying to reconnect to life I was very much connecting.

    But the action scenes I don’t think delivered in their choreography or how they were shot and edited. The cause and effect of physicality was messy and they seemed to be paced badly, either too slow or too fast. The darkness of the sets didn’t help with that, nor did some awkward plot set-ups, which sometimes got in the way of character beats. The comic it was based on was much better in the general story-telling.

    Basically I wanted less action and more character work, which is where I think the director’s strengths lay.

  14. Curt, interesting points but this:

    “Could it also be that there’s just not that big a female audience for women-led action movies and superhero movies, that they maybe relate more to other genres and that it’s tone-deaf to assume most women want to play in this traditionally male sandbox”

    Yes…can we at least have an honest conversation that maybe, just maybe, women may like different movies than men?

    Even among my female colleagues who do watch superhero films, there’s far greater enthusiasm for the upcoming SPIDER MAN BRAND NEW DAY than there is for SUPERGIRL. This just comes across as “Noisy CGI Spectacle” to them whereas SPIDER MAN has Tom Holland and Zendaya who are far more popular and they’re interested in how the whole Peter/MJ arc is going to play out now that she’s forgotten his existence, it’s the relationship angle that’s hooking them as opposed to all the web-swinging and super villain.

    None of this is to say, women don’t like action movies or that men don’t like rom-coms, just that if the core audience for a certain genre is men, then re-tooling it to make it more female centric doesn’t seem to be bringing out female audiences in droves to check it out. And that is something that needs to be acknowledged at least.

  15. Curt – Honestly I think it’s as simple as that they loved the Woman of Tomorrow story and thought it would make a good movie. They did add in some backstory that makes it a little more like an origin movie, but mostly they stick to the idea of this one adventure, and that’s one thing that makes it a little different. And yes, I think it does have the advantage of being a different setting and structure than SUPERMAN so it doesn’t feel like a repeat.

    (But if you want to see her in Metropolis I bet the next SUPERMAN [too late to stop it] will have some of that.)

    As far as whether or how much women want to see this character – I don’t know, is it bad if a movie about women is mostly seen by men? Maybe it’s good for them? Anyway, I looked it up and this study

    claims that even CAPTAIN MARVEL and WAKANDA FOREVER had majority male audiences. Another study said that WONDER WOMAN was evenly split.

  16. I think one thing the character has going against it, whether that be among male or female fans, is that to a layperson/non-comics-fan/etc it just kind of seems like a “female copy” of a much more established male character. Characters like Supergirl and Batgirl and Superboy (it isn’t only a gender thing) can kind of feel like the creators are being lazy and just making a character who panders to whatever demographic. Whereas a character like Wonder Woman feels like an original character who happens to be female. Or at least that’s how I used to see it when I was a kid reading comic books. I had zero interest in “—girl” characters back then. Not because they were girls but because they just felt like lesser versions of the male characters with whom they partially shared a name, costume, and power set with.

    I’m just shooting from the hip here, though. Maybe I’m completely wrong about this.

  17. @Dtroyt– These “Character X, but they’re a teen or a woman or a dog” things usually happen as a result of market considerations, but not always to pander to those demographics. Three famous examples:

    Marvel/”Stan Lee” created She-Hulk because the Bill Bixby TV show was huge and Universal, who produced the show, had recently spun The Bionic Woman off of The Six Million Dollar Man. Marvel was worried Universal would create some sort of female Hulk, a “Woman-Hulk,” if you will, so they rushed out She-Hulk in an effort to own the concept. Batwoman was created because comics boogeyman Frederic Wertham accused Batman and Robin of being gay, and DC felt they needed to introduce a woman (and then Batgirl was invented as Batwoman’s sidekick). Shazam, when the character was called Captain Marvel, was the most popular comic in the country, so Fawcett created The Marvel Family, which led to new titles like Captain Marvel Jr., Mary Marvel, plain old The Marvel Family, The Lieutenant Marvels, Hoppy The Marvel Bunny, and on and on.

    The hope there, I think, isn’t that kids too young to read Captain Marvel would be enticed into reading Captain Marvel Jr., because kids were already reading Captain Marvel and the publishers were already marketing the books with the adult man version of the character to everybody anyway. It seemed to be more an excuse to sell kids a new thing they’d probably like. When these publishers wanted to pander to specific demos, they made adaptations of Hanna-Barbera cartoons and romance comics and stuff. Batwoman exists because some people are homophobic, and then she continues to exist because now there’s a new character in the Batman world who’s going on separate adventures, and I have something obvious to buy at the newsstand if I already own that month’s issue of the main title.

    That’s every superhero comic, though. Reductively, Hawkeye exists because Green Arrow is popular, and Green Arrow exists because The Adventures of Robin Hood is popular. Nick Fury follows James Bond. The X-Men gets huge and then Wolverine gets his own series and Alpha Flight comes together. You don’t need to create Kid Aquaman because Aquaman is already Kid Namor The Sub-Mariner.

    In that way, Supergirl is closer to Thundarr The Barbarian. Thundarr only exists because Conan was big, but the Ruby-Spears people aren’t using the character to chase an audience that might theoretically be put off by Conan. These things exist because of each other, but nothing is created in a vacuum. If Supergirl isn’t The Real Thing (and I know you aren’t saying you reject her existence or anything), neither are any of the slasher movies that ripped off Halloween. Jason is Ms. Pac-Man is Biker Mice From Mars.

    I do think Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow is one of the best comics I’ve read in the past decade or so. Tom King and Bilquis Evely are two people working at the top of their abilities and that book is something special. I don’t read many superhero comics anymore, but I can’t remember the last good Superman one I read. Most likely, there’s never been a Superman comic I like as much as that Supergirl run. I don’t doubt the people a few rungs below David Zaslav look at this Supergirl movie like their chance to finally appeal to teenage girls who think Suicide Squad and Superman have been too targeted to men, but they’re idiots. Plenty of teen girls are already watching superhero movies, or they, like plenty of teen boys, have no interest in the genre. You don’t win a 30-year-old woman with a decade-long case of superhero fatigue over with Supergirl, you listen to what she’s actually saying she cares about and you give her Heated Rivalry.

  18. @Alex R

    Long time comic fan that I am, I think a big part of “legacy” characters failure to connect is apathy on the audience. Which is fair. I don’t need Jon Kent to replay all the beats from Superboy. I don’t need Batman Year Zero. I need a world that “exists” and is concrete. I miss being a kid and reading those Who’s Who or the Marvel 4-issues that just told you about the world. I miss a universe where you could confidently state “character X did this to character Y and that ties into the origin of character Z” and building up on top of that.

    Instead we constantly reset everything into the image of the films, which cannot sustain that kind of serial and the craft seems to suffer. I personally can’t keep up with all the universes anymore and I desperately miss those universes I was weened on.

    God. Comic books.

  19. @Aktion- Yeah, absolutely. That Supergirl book is probably my ideal in the continuity range— assume we’re smart enough to keep up if you don’t recap her origin, etc. and make the her feel like a lived-in character without going so hard on continuity porn that I would need to consult a Who’s Who-type book to understand why Character X, who’d I assumed was friendly with Character Y, now nurses a secret grudge (it’s a reference to a silver age story only 5 people remember!).

  20. Dtroyt, I very much agree with you about “—girl” characters who seem “like lesser versions of the male characters with whom they partially shared a name, costume, and power set with” as opposed to a fully standalone character such as Wonder Woman.

    Not that these spinoff characters can’t grow into their own – no one thinks of Xena as a female Hercules, Harley Quinn is not simply a female version of the Joker, and what little I know of She-Hulk seems more like Deadpool than Bruce Bannner.

    I’m just not sure Supergirl is that distinct in the public’s imagination. I’ve seen photos of couples dressed as Superman and Supergirl for a costume party seemingly unaware that those characters are cousins. And this version compounds “Superman, but a girl” with “and she gets drunk and falls down a lot”.

    “Women can be awesome heroes too!” is a good message. “Women can be flawed and unsympathetic too” is also a good message. But putting them both together inside Superman’s costume felt odd to me – not that that’s automatically bad, but it made this Supergirl a sufficiently strange and contradictory character that I really wanted more time spent on her emotional exploration and development, rather than trying to shove that aside in favor of an unrelated action adventure that I found less interesting. I wanted a movie that was really *her* story, rather than her being along for the ride in someone else’s story.

    Vern: “is it bad if a movie about women is mostly seen by men? Maybe it’s good for them?” I think we agree that it’s good to have more movies that have women as the protagonists, even – perhaps especially – when men are the audience. But the discourse is usually about attracting a female audience and giving them the role models they crave, and it’s possible that we have overestimated that demand. Or at the very least, someone needs to figure out how to make them cheap enough to break even, so that their modest audience can make them seem like sleeper hits instead of bombs.

    I like these movies and I still want more of them. But if the real goal is to have more movies for women, then that might just mean making more movies like FROZEN and BARBIE and WICKED and “WUTHERING HEIGHTS”, rather than assuming that what women really want are female versions of the action-oriented movies that Hollywood is already used to making and marketing.

    I confess to not knowing the Woman of Tomorrow comic miniseries that the SUPERGIRL movie is based on. It seems to be very acclaimed, but perhaps either something got lost in translation to the big screen or else the comic was playing off established readers’ expectations of the character in ways that an introductory movie can’t. (I did not notice any acknowledgement of this comic or its authors in the credits.) I don’t know if the concept of Supergirl going to red-sun planets to have human experiences is something that originates from that comic or was established elsewhere.

    From the scant evidence of two movies, it so far seems that the Gunn-verse has a strategy of jumping straight into the storytelling and assuming you can work out the characters and backstory along the way. I don’t think I’m fully sold on this approach yet. As a member of the public I know that these are established comic-book characters with an existing history, so it’s not like the original STAR WARS pretending you know what the Clone Wars were in order to stimulate your imagination. It instead feels like there are things I ought to actually know in order to be fully invested, that the movie isn’t telling me or only sketches in briefly. It sounds cool and clever when I describe it like that, but in practice it feels like sacrificing drama and character development in favor of action.

    Maybe I’m actually giving this movie and its protagonist a compliment, if I found this Supergirl intriguing enough that I really wanted more of a LOGAN about her instead of a GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY.

  21. I wasn’t going to comment on this movie, because I really don’t think I have much to say that’s interesting. Basically, I didn’t really like it. I didn’t hate it. It was fine, bordering on not good in my opinion. On here, I usually try to take the tack of not saying anything if the only thing I have to say is complaints (insert meme of Dorothy from Golden Girls with a sour look on her face saying, me not saying anything). I also don’t think I can really speak to what would draw women to the audience for superhero movies, because I’m already in that audience. I like action movies. I like superhero movies. They don’t need to do anything special to get me to see them. So, I don’t know.

    I will say, for this movie specifically, and me specifically, my complaints are:

    It’s too dirty (grimy, not sex stuff) and ugly. Both in its actual look and the content. Like I’m so not in the mood for a grimy, ugly story. Why is it all brown? Why does her ship have to be disgusting? Why are all the planets they visit like Mad Max? Are Earth and Krypton the only planets that are colorful, clean and nice? I know a lot of that is, yeah, they’re chasing these pirates and they’re not going to go to the nice planets. I’m just not enjoying this drudgery.

    It’s too boring. Maybe this is because it doesn’t feel like an original story. Maybe it’s that it’s not done well. I don’t know, but I really only got excited about the action scene at the end. The rest felt dull and done.

    This could go under the boring complaint, but I’m going to give it its own paragraph. Another sexual slavery ring? Really? Why is this the only trauma they give the women to fight against? You’ve already got multiple motivations for the characters to go after these guys. You didn’t need to throw in The Brides.

    It definitely has that feel of a man writing what he thinks a woman says/does/thinks. So those are valid complaints. I was surprised to see it was a woman writer. But it’s a man directing, so..?

    A lot of how I feel about the movie has to do with my current state of mind with the current state of our world. That’s one of the reasons I wasn’t going to comment. Maybe it’s just not the right kind of thing I want to watch right now. Maybe Alex hit it right on the head when he said, “you listen to what she’s actually saying she cares about and you give her Heated Rivalry” because I loved the shit out of Heated Rivalry – we’re talking borderline obsession, so there you go.

    Plus, I hated that dumb dog.

  22. I think the script was just not *there*.
    It has all the juice but without a stronger hook, if ONLYin the marketing run-up had helped, maybe it would’ve made more money. As an adaptation it kinda botched a bunch and lost the “art” in a sea of beige. But I am happy this film exists. We need more to create an accurate model of this delivery.

    All Hail The Phantom Zane!

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