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The Mandalorian and Grogu

THE MANDALORIAN AND GROGU is kind of a different approach to a Star Wars picture: a small, standalone adventure. The fate of the galaxy is not at stake, there is no chosen one, no prophecy. It’s not even a prequel or an origin story. Coming from the popular Disney+ series The Mandalorian has given people the impression that it requires homework, but I assure you there is nothing at all you need to know that’s not there in the movie. It’s just one story about the titular bounty hunters on a mission, and not the mission that changed it all. Just a mission. To misquote M. Bison, it’s not the most important day of your life. It’s just Tuesday.

So it’s in the same world I love visiting in that epic space opera, but truly it’s a western or a samurai movie. That’s what I like about the show too, and I was skeptical about turning it into a movie instead of doing another season, but it turns out it’s fun to see these guys in one contained story with movie level production values. It’s light on the force, but high on some of the other things I love in Star Wars: a bunch of fantastical settings, outlandish creatures and robots, lots of them animated, some puppets, even some stop motion by Phil Tippet Studios.

The main character’s name is Din Djarin, but I don’t remember hearing that in the movie. Some friends call him Mando. Strangers call him The Mandalorian or The Mandalorian warrior or the bounty hunter. He wears shiny armor and hides his face for religious reasons; Pedro Pascal (THE GREAT WALL) provides the voice, but I don’t even think of it as him inside there, and in fact it’s usually John Wayne’s grandson Brendan Wayne.

It’s established that this is after the fall of the Empire (the end of RETURN OF THE JEDI), which is just like a western referencing the civil war – you get a clue what the sides are but we’re not here to study history. It’s only relevant because Mando has recently started working exclusively for the fledgling New Republic, hunting escaped Imperial war criminals now acting as warlords.

There’s a badass cold open where one such no-good motherfucker (Hemky Madera, SUPREMACY, PLAY DIRTY) mentions to the terrified victims of his protection racket that “We all agree things were better under the Empire.” Um, yeah, we all agree on that, yes sir. Then a perimeter alarm goes off. Mando is basically Batman or John Wick, an unstoppable force battling his way through layers of storm trooper security, sometimes a flash darting by and disappearing, but then suddenly he’s right there in front of them, shooting better, kicking harder, moving faster than they’re prepared for. This movie is very action oriented (stunt coordinator: J.J. Dashnaw, THE EQUALIZER 2) and I was happy to see that the Mandalorian’s stunt double Lateef Crowder (also stunt fight coordinator) got fourth billing. He’s the capoeira guy who fights Tony Jaa in the burning temple in TOM YUM GOONG/THE PROTECTOR. He’s also an opponent in UNDISPUTED III: REDEMPTION, and he’s in FALCON RISING, and he played Baraka in MORTAL KOMBAT: REBIRTH. An action legend turned Star Wars legend.

As fun as the action is here, the magic of the scene is the deepening oh shit realizations of the warlord and his minions as their contingency plans (including fleeing in an AT-AT) fail one after another. The gig is up. Beautiful.

Of course Grogu is around here somewhere too. He’s Mando’s adopted son and partner who looks like Yoda, coos like a baby, can use the force to levitate things or talk to animals or even heal wounds, and loves Mando almost as much as he love snacks. I love that he combines a human baby, a highly evolved spiritual being, and an animal that has to be told “heel” and stopped from eating anything that moves. He has chosen the life of a Mandalorian bounty hunter over Jedi training, but you don’t need to know that, you just see that he wears a tiny little chest plate and Mando is always trying to teach him all the details of the job but he’s a baby (and a goofy puppet) so it’s always funny when he actually does help out with the bounty hunting. There are many ways this is not the same as Lone Wolf and Cub, the great manga and movie series about an outlaw assassin for hire who brings his toddler son to work with him. But one way it’s the same is that the baby is actually a partner. Don’t fuck with the baby.

If you did watch the show you saw Mando and Grogu settle down in a little house. Now he’s got a new set up where he goes to a depot where (ex-Rebel?) X-wing pilots hang out and New Republic Colonel Ward (Sigourney Weaver, ALIEN 3) assigns him Imperial assholes to go after. With some hesitation he accepts a job where he’s basically farmed out to The Twins – slug-like cousins of the gangster Jabba the Hutt (R.I.P.) – to find their nephew Rotta, who’s been taken captive on the planet Shakari. Mando doesn’t give a shit, but if he does it the Twins will give him the location of a New Republic target they have almost no information on.

As on any job for hire, things aren’t as they seem, complications arise, that’s where the fun is. Rotta is in fact living in a cage, but he’s a famous gladiator who’s happy with that life because he’s good at it and earning a reputation separate from his vile gangster father. The concept of a Hutt who made himself buff and kicks ass is absurd and comical, and I love so much that they made it work for me. Much thought seems to have been put into how it would work. His arms are short but his fists are hard and he does alot of rolls and body slams and knows how to squash a motherfucker. He’s almost out of his debt to the criminal Janu (Jonny Coyne, LARA CROFT: TOMB RAIDER – THE CRADLE OF LIFE, THE TOXIC AVENGER 2025) but neither Janu or the Twins have his best interests in mind, and Mando’s not gonna just do what he’s told, especially by those assholes. So he has to figure out the way.

When I first heard that Jeremy Allen White (The Bear, FREMONT) was voicing a Hutt I thought it was fake, a funny joke. When it was confirmed I assumed it was just a little bit part he did for fun, maybe even unrecognizable, speaking Huttese. In fact he speaks “Galactic Basic” (I got used to it pretty quick) and is a co-lead with second billing. Though it turns out many feel otherwise, I think White is one of the keys to this movie working. I love the ambition of trying to make us feel for a Hutt, and the natural vocal performance sells it. His voice is lowered but he plays him the same way he might have played a human in a sports drama: kinda macho and inarticulate but surprisingly kind and emotionally honest. He’s a standup guy (though he doesn’t have legs). He’s got enough humanity that I can think about this cartoon, this man in the helmet and this puppet sharing a bond from being very good at their violent occupations while struggling to overcome their tragic origins and find their paths in life.

Some viewers may never accept Rotta simply because Jabba was a top 5 of all time practical FX movie monster, and the animation used to make Rotta certainly doesn’t compare. So I guess it comes down to whether the idea and presence of this character is worth the trade off, worth still doing. To me it absolutely is. I love his dynamic with Mando – a respectful one, trying to reason with him, trying to make a run for it, being friendly and apologetic when caught. And I love how much he likes Grogu (“Can I feed him?”), how much Grogu likes him (curling up and sleeping on top of him), the little talk he has with Mando about how the kid is gonna be alright, which come to think of it also is about the movie’s central theme that Grogu will naturally live hundreds of years longer than Mando and he won’t be able to protect him. Rotta says “He’s lucky to have you” and Mando points out that Rotta turned out alright on his own. Trying to convince himself it’ll be okay.


THE MANDALORIAN AND GROGU is directed by Jon Favreau (IRON MAN, THE JUNGLE BOOK), who also created the show. It’s written by Favreau, Dave Filoni (director of the Avatar: The Last Airbender pilot – yes, the original animated one) and Noah Kloor (The Book of Boba Fett). Everyone apparently agrees that it’s like 3 or 4 episodes of the show lined up, but I really don’t think there’s anything unusual about the structure, and of course the story indulges the sorts of things they can’t afford to do on the show. Tons of fully animated characters, big action, more varied and developed settings.

I love the atmosphere of these places – the city that looks more real than Coruscant (no offense Coruscant, you know I love you), the attack on Mando’s house during a rain storm at night (did they watch HEAVEN’S PRISONERS for reference?), experiencing the swamp in the day and at night. I think it has a good look to it, with a more realistic texture than the show, even though it’s mostly the same crew (including cinematographer David Klein, CLERKS).

It’s a little less of a samurai story than the show is, because it doesn’t deal much with his dedication to an extreme code and attempt to square it with the problems he encounters. On the other hand, one of the standout sections of the movie – when Mando is hurt so Grogu hides him, meditates and brings him water and food – is straight out of Lone Wolf and Cub. I couldn’t find the comics story about it (did I imagine it?) but there’s a similar part in the movie LONE WOLF AND CUB: BABYCART AT THE RIVER STYX. Of course it’s in the Lucas tradition to take inspiration from Japanese cinema (and now they can do it with movies that were pretty recent when STAR WARS came out).

If you’re only a casual Star Wars person, but this sounds good to you, I think you might like it. There are not any fan service cameos to feel left out of, no post credit tag you have to ask your friend about, no tease for some future thing you might have to watch. There are characters (including Rotta, the pilot Zeb and the wordless bounty hunter Embo) who originally appeared in the animated shows, but there’s no information needed about them, they’re treated exactly as they would be if this was their first appearance.

As a side note it’s funny to me how many people get mad at co-writer Filoni – padawan of George Lucas, shepherd of the animated shows, and now president of Lucasfilm – for continuing the stories of characters like Zeb or Ahsoka (who’s not in this, but she’s the one they’re usually talking about). The implication is that he should know his place and just recycle the “real Star Wars” stuff that existed in movies before he got there, not be an artist and storyteller who adds his own thing into it. Ahsoka was created by Lucas, but Filoni grew her into the character so many of us love, so I guess they think he’s selfish for continuing to do that? It’s very dumb.

A complaint specific to this movie that I have no patience for is “they should’ve shown Pedro Pascal’s face more.” If anything they shouldn’t have shown it at all! The show has done powerful things with Mando’s unmasking, but it would be cheapened by rehashing it in this format or trying to explain it to newcomers. One of the main things that’s cool about the character is how much they can express about him with only voice and movement and not the usual tool of facial expressions. If you want to see a regular movie with faces in it, I have great news – most movies do that! Even if you need it to specifically be Pedro Pascal’s face, he’s in like every third movie released in the past five years. What you’re asking for is widely available. Let me have this one movie trying a rare and interesting challenge.

To be clear, I love most of the Star Wars movies, and I would rank THE MANDALORIAN AND GROGU low among them. I definitely think it works better than the Clone Wars theatrical movie, THE RISE OF SKYWALKER, and (don’t kill me) ROGUE ONE. As pretty as that one is I just think it completely fumbles the telling of the story and I hate that it centers on two dead weight leads while there are so many more interesting characters around them. The A+++ two season Andor series did get me invested in Cassian Andor, but it makes ROGUE ONE play even worse because it demonstrates how much better that material can be handled. I bring all that up to say that even though I personally prefer this solid little story where the lead duo really are the best part, I recognize that ROGUE ONE is trying something more ambitious, so I get preferring it for that reason. And in fact I prefer Lucas’ prequels – messier, dumber, but I just like what they’re going for, I like reading into them, I like thinking about the Jedi philosophy. I like all the Star Wars shit. This is some of the Star Wars shit. So that makes it feel pretty light weight compared to my favorite Star Wars stories.

But, you know – sometimes you’re in the mood for FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE even though you know ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST is out there. This movie succeeds at its mission of being a breezy, colorful space western. They fly in, they do a job, they help some people along the way, they fly off into the sunset. Who was that masked man? I don’t know, but his baby kept stealing my food, he needs to keep that thing in control.

 

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32 Responses to “The Mandalorian and Grogu”

  1. At this point, SW discourse is so goddamn miserable that you realize it’s a lost cause.

    A shame because I enjoyed this too. Yes the “several episodes smashed together criticism is valid but reminds me when Hollywood would repackage episodes of a show into “films” (think 1950s to 70s) and you can notice the seams. Some clearly work better than others.

    And to be fair, the episodic approach to the plot works much like the Dollars Trilogy. I appreciate that there is no arc for the hero. He’s the same guy at the end that he was at the start, this just his latest adventure.

    With this movie’s box office and BACKROOMS projected to possibly out-open this film, I’m reminded again that we’re seeing a tide change in new audiences aging in and SW for many of them is there parents’ toys, not theirs necessarily. Minecraft, five nights at Freddy’s, Backrooms, that’s their IP (which is weird to say about Backrooms because it’s open sourced creepy pasta but regardless.)

  2. STAR WARS fans have finally become like STAR TREK fans, in the way how they hate everything new (admittedly not always unjustified, but mostly over minor things that are blown out of proportion) and praise the things that they hated decades ago as the real thing. I mean, I’m glad that people finally catch up on the qualities of the prequels and start to get what George Lucas was doing, but how quickly the fandom turned on Dave Filoni (who was their dream franchise leader for a long time) and start to nitpick every single new thing that has a STAR WARS label, really reminds me of the “Bring back Rick Berman! VOYAGER and ENTERPRISE were real TREK and as good as or even better as TNG!” mindset that I encountered way too many times in recent years.

  3. It’s weird, I grew up in that period in the 90s where Star Wars was just another classic movie, and not something everyone had opinions on. I’ve seen all the films, but I don’t really have any particular attachment to them, and don’t get why they’ve become the most revered thing of all time. They’re pretty good space movies for 10 year olds?

    But I watched The Mandalorian when it started, and I just loved it for being a really well made Lone Wolf and Cub in space. I didn’t get the references and call-backs, it was just full of cool monsters and fun guest stars.

    And so, I just thought The Mandalorian and Grogu was another fun adventure of some characters I liked. If anything, I think it reminded me of Predator: Badlands, in that it featured very few ‘humans’ on screen, and kept me enthralled with with interesting creatures and monsters (thank god they kept Grogu as a puppet).

    The way I’ve seen some hate on this, I honestly don’t know what people want from Star Wars. Star Wars is just an updated Flash Gordon, fun space adventures, right?

  4. Longtime Vern readers know my relationship to STAR WARS has, in the past, been contentious. Fraught, even. But life goes on. When STAR WARS became a streaming television franchise, I found it very easy to avoid, because I don’t watch streaming television. I was happy to find that STAR WARS was no longer my problem. It is, frankly, none of my business, and I like it that way. As I get older and pop culture leaves me further and further behind, I have come to relish all the things I am no longer obligated to have opinions about.

  5. I am an ENORMOUS Star Wars fan, and while I appreciate your point on Filoni criticism, I disagree with it.

    I desperately want someone to come in and give us new characters, I am all for non-recycled SW. I am dying for it, to be honest.

    I just don’t like almost any of what Filoni has come up with. I found the third season of The Mandalorian, with all his Mandalorian lore, interminably boring. I found the Ahsoka series beyond silly. I’ve watched Rebels, I’ve watched The Clone Wars. They all have their moments. But overall, I just haven’t been a fan of his story telling and his characters, which, for the most part, are just uninteresting cardboard cutouts.

    TM&G’s charms were completely lost on me. I found myself with a scowl on my face the entire film, which I guess is on me for caring too much about SW. I want SW that moves me, that gives me the tingles every now and again. I’m a kid of the 70s, and I still vividly remember seeing all the original films in the theaters. Yadda yadda yadda, we have heard this discourse for ages. Grumpy old Star Wars fan wants his Star Wars, not somebody else’s Star Wars. Don’t give me the same old shit, but when you try to give me not the same old shit, we get mad. I get the criticism of my criticism.

    But I just found this movie listless, boring, and uninspired. Every real life actor in this (sorry Ripley) performs like they had a gun to their head off camera.

    I guess I need to get the Sarlaac out of my ass and lighten up.

  6. To me this movie was great fun and I don’t really understand people getting mad at it.

    The audience divisions for Star Wars seem to break down the same way as for Marvel movies. There are the casual fans for whom these are fun crowdpleasing movies, some more enjoyable than others. There are the possessive hardcore fans who have strong opinions about which ones are valid or invalid based on their own interpretation of the lore. And there are the (mostly older) filmgoers who are mad that these movies exist at all or that the big-budget genre they’re in is ever taken seriously.

    I guess I’m a mix of the first two. Like Vern, I’m loyal to Lucas and consider the Disney stuff made without him to be slightly less legit. On the other hand, one of the fun things about Star Wars is that it’s full of touches that suggest a bigger universe beyond what the movies are focused on.

    So now that the main “saga” is complete, why shouldn’t we open the toybox and play? Whether we related more to the altruistic heroism of Luke or the sarcastic cynicism of Han, didn’t we all think the bounty hunters and cantina monsters were cool? I thought that was the whole appeal of The Mandalorian streaming series. I don’t need more about the Skywalker family or the rise of the Empire or the conflicted morality of the Jedi. All that is fine, but we’ve done all that. We can just enjoy spaceships and monsters for a change.

    If this was an original movie like THE FIFTH ELEMENT or something, we would all be raving about the variety of worlds and creatures on display here. Ironically that’s how the original STAR WARS blew people away in the first place.

    I thought fans loved Dave Filoni for steering Star Wars their way. In fact I’ve long assumed that his stewardship of the Clone Wars cartoon series played a big role in legitimizing the prequel era – and thus the prequel films themselves – in the eyes of hardcore fans. I wasn’t aware of fans having criticism of him, other than the usual thing of not liking whoever’s currently in charge and only liking their replacement for a brief honeymoon period until they too are considered the problem.

  7. JeffG – Well, we do agree on the Mandalorian politics. I thought it was boring in Clone Wars so I was concerned when they said that was what they wanted to make a live action show about. Then, thankfully, they created this whole different mythology about the helmets and everything. Favreau is by all reports into the Mandalorian stuff from Clone Wars (having played one of the characters), so I’m not sure Filoni is to blame for season 3 (when he was more focused on Ahsoka). I don’t entirely hate that season but everyone including them agrees it didn’t really work, which I think is part of what led to them doing this movie next.

  8. To clarify, I don’t know of anyone who was a fan of Filoni’s work but has now turned on him. I think the hate comes from people who only found out about his existence once he was working in live action. Most of them would never consider watching the animated shows, some of them may have seen some but don’t really care enough to follow that sort of thing closely. So now they think “oh, this fuckin guy, obsessed with his own cartoon characters,” which to them is not a real part of Star Wars, but to others has been an ongoing part of the story, maybe even the main story, that they’ve been invested in since before Lucas retired.

  9. I’ve not seen much of the Clone Wars cartoons myself (just because I’m a movie guy more than a TV guy) but I know it is very beloved. So I thought the hardcore Star Wars were way into the cartoons, the Expanded Universe novels, the video games, you name it. I didn’t know there were disgruntled people who considered themselves hardcore fans of the Star Wars franchise but turned their noses up at the cartoons. Maybe they’re just a very specific subset of fandom?

    When I was a kid, the world of grownups seemed to consider Star Wars fun but shallow. Its main critics were the “blockbusters killed cinema” crowd, but also science fiction purists who considered Star Wars impure because it was space fantasy, it had sound effects in the vacuum of space, it was a throwback to the crude pulp sci-fi of Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers, etc. At the very least, these criticisms made me aware that Star Wars wasn’t the only game in town as far as either movies or sci-fi were concerned, and that there were other horizons to explore.

    So I’m more and more puzzled by the question of what fans feel Star Wars isn’t currently doing, that only Star Wars can do. If you want the youthful hero’s journey then there’s plenty of YA fiction out there. If you want epic space opera then there’s that too in the form of novels, comic books, probably some anime. There’s tons of Star Trek, which has a lot of the same elements as Star Wars – action, spaceships, aliens, likable characters.

    If fans don’t like the political commentary of the prequel and sequel eras, but also don’t like the pure escapism of The Mandalorian, then I genuinely don’t know what they’re looking for. Maybe they just are against Disney as a brand name and will therefore reject any form of Disney Star Wars regardless of its merit. That’s not a great theory but I don’t have a better one.

  10. I’m sure it’s a little bit of all those things, plus a fair amount of culture war bullshit. Personally, I have never been interested in STAR WARS without George Lucas, and that started before he retired. I never got into any of the extended universe material. I just want the pure stuff, and if I can’t have it, I’m perfectly fine having no more STAR WARS at all. I don’t recall signing a contract entitling me to new STAR WARS content made to my personal specifications in perpetuity. I’m an adult. I know it’s okay for things to end.

    I think it really comes down to, for people of a certain age, STAR WARS was more than a thing, but a time. There was a time in many of our lives when STAR WARS seemed like more than what it was, which is to say a fun space opera with better-than-average special effects for its era. There’s no going back to that time. There’s no way to turn back into the people we were back then. So there’s no way new STAR WARS can hit us the way it used to. So you can either choose the path of Vern, and accept new STAR WARS as its own thing with its own merits, or you do like me, and admit that this stuff is no longer for me and opt out.

    The fan venom comes from not doing either, from constantly going back to the same well that poisoned them and complaining that it turns their stomach. But it’s not the well’s fault they keep making bad choices. They feel entitled to be served exactly what they want, even if they don’t know exactly what that is. But art, even corporate art like Disney makes, doesn’t work that way. You get to decide if you like it after it’s made. You don’t get to dictate how it’s made. I believe a wise little green puppet man once said that attachment leads to suffering.

  11. Maybe the fact that the original Star Wars trilogy had such an unusually broad appeal to almost everyone is why there seems to be so little consensus on what makes (or made) Star Wars work. Some seem to think Lucas was just a dumb guy who made a dumb derivative movie that succeeded because people are dumb. Some think Lucas was a dumb guy with smart collaborators, and that he succeeded only because of Marcia Lucas (RIP), John Williams, Lawrence Kasdan etc. Some think Lucas was a genius until he got rich and sold out. Some think Lucas was a genius right to the end and that no one else, not even his longtime apprentice Dave Filoni, could possibly live up to his unique vision.

    Those are all exaggerated takes that contradict each other. But the idea that new Star Wars is always going to face resistance just because it’s new, because we only like stuff we saw as kids, has always felt incomplete to me. First, if you like a series that has brought you pleasure, why would you refuse more of it? Second, other franchises have been able to perpetuate, recapture or even surpass their initial popularity, with or without the involvement of their original creators.

    Star Trek was TV’s original cult classic, yet the movies are held fondly in the pantheon of 1980s cinema; Star Trek: The Next Generation encountered initial resistance, but after three or four seasons had fans admitting that they thought it was a better show than the original. Doctor Who, Battlestar Galactica and Westworld all were revived in the 21st century to great popularity and acclaim. DC and Marvel characters are at least as beloved in their film and TV versions as in the comic versions, which themselves have literally outlived their creators. There are multiple well-liked TV shows based on Sherlock Holmes. James Bond movies and Godzilla movies have continued to be made without being considered inherently illegitimate.

    You could say that Star Wars is different in that the original was so much more popular in its initial heyday than any of these. But ROCKY was a big deal just a year before, and yet CREED still seemed pretty celebrated decades later.

    Maybe the real difference is that the most popular of the above series had a long initial run, or were based on source material that had a longer initial run. Most people who got hooked on Star Trek or Doctor Who or Superman did so at a point when there was a ton of it to dive into, so you got used to there being different types of stories, or settings, or characters, or writers. I’ve never heard of anybody falling in love with just a couple episodes or issues of these before discovering that they hated the rest of it.

    Star Wars, on the other hand, had three movies and then went dark for its child audience’s entire adolescence. That probably limited its conceptual vocabulary in the minds of some fans, especially if Star Wars never became their gateway drug to other forms of entertainment. (It would explain why they were so shocked and outraged by the “embittered veteran has to be coaxed back into action one last time” premise of THE LAST JEDI even though this was an extremely common trope, not just in action movies but as an established way for franchises to kill off their legacy characters and pass the torch to newer characters.)

    The irony is that Star Wars was birthed by the open mind of a film buff who was happy to combine ideas from a variety of influences – mashing Flash Gordon serials with Kurosawa samurai films, Westerns, The Wizard of Oz, and the Lord of the Rings and Dune novels.

  12. I think saturation, fatigue, and history play a role. OG STAR WARS has benefit that there was no 50 years of STAR WARS and Cameron, no streaming, no MCU-ification / universification, TV/cinema/streaming blurification (Disney+ification), 80s-2010s action adventure franchises and advances in technology for it to compete with and overcome. There is real fatigue that comes with recycling ideas, even and especially these primordial Joseph Campbell types of ideas. The good STAR WARS movies already exist, so new good STAR WARS movies have to be good at something different, meaning they’re not good STAR WARS movies in the sense of recapturing the exact feel of the originals.

    In particular, I think the grandiose, operatic, macro-scale fate of the galaxy shit is just cooked. You can’t go back to that well in this universe as far as I’m concerned. It’s over, so, just do this other stuff in the world, and accept your diminished status in a radically changed film/tv landscape that can’t be mind wiped if the very films whose cultural significance you’re cashing in on.

  13. “if you like a series that has brought you pleasure, why would you refuse more of it?”

    To answer this, I must resolve Theseus’ Paradox, and also take you back to a brief period in the mid-80s when I thought I was a fan of the Boston Red Sox.

    I had an uncle who was only about 16 years older than me. We used to play baseball together. He was (and still is) a major Red Sox fan, so when we played, we would roleplay as the then-current Boston lineup. I knew pretty much the whole roster. Roger Clemens. Wade Boggs. Dwight Evans. This was the cast of characters of an ongoing story I was following.

    But of course sports teams don’t stay the same for long. Pretty soon, all the names I knew were gone, and I found that I didn’t care about the Red Sox anymore. Why should I? They were a bunch of strangers. I have always found sports fandom confusing in this way. If everything about your favorite team is constantly changing, what are you actually a fan of? A uniform? A logo? Apparently, a sports fan’s loyalty is to the organization, the brand name, not to the players who actually play the game.

    I find modern franchise fandom to be the same. You can swap out every moving part, every load-bearing pillar of a franchise, but as long as they slap the familiar brand name on it, then it’s considered the same thing.* I don’t work that way. Art is made by artists. Stories are told by storytellers. When you swap those out, it is not the same art. It is not the same story. I do not automatically transfer my loyalty over to the new management.

    Now, if the new parts fit, if the new boss does a good job at either maintaining it or changing it to something different but also worthwhile, then I can be convinced. For a while, STAR TREK did a fine job of soldiering on without Gene Roddenberry. STAR WARS, in my opinion, has not. I was a fan of the work of players who have now moved on to other teams or retired, but I don’t the like the new starting lineup. I no longer feel like rooting for this team, because it’s not the same team. I am not a fan of logos, but of people.

    So, no, the rebuilt Ship of Theseus is not the same ship. It just has the same name.

    *Same with political parties.

  14. Vern,
    I think there are a lot of Filoni fans from animation who are unhappy with the transition of the characters to live action. Was listening to one pod that adores Rebels that were grousing about Zeb in this picture. How he really wasn’t even a character in this. And other than Rosario Dawson, I think a lot of fans were unhappy with the real life versions of these animated characters.

    I am not an animation fan, but I think the heart of the problem is animated, episodic storytelling is a different skill than live action story telling. I think you can get away with a little more flatness in animation. And then it is compounded by the fact that there is an enormous majority of SW fans who have no connection to the animated stories. They are shoehorning these characters into live action, constantly telling us “you don’t have to have seen the animated series to know what is going on”, when in reality, you kinda do. Do I need to have seen the clone wars to appreciate Ahsoka in The Mandalorian and Ahsoka? No. But her character is just cool makeup and costumes if I haven’t.
    How am I supposed to watch characters and themes set forth in the animated films if I haven’t seen the cartoons and I am subjected to 5 minute exposition dumps every time one of these animated characters are introduced? Or, worse, no explanation or exposition, just some strange character being plopped into a scene 75% of the audience has never heard of?
    Building on the core 9 films pretty much ensures a built in understanding of the characters and world, for the audience, that building on the cartoons doesn’t.

  15. I just recently sat down with my eight year old to watch the original trilogy, and they really are some of the best blockbuster films around. She watched them three years ago, so she had a vague memory, but it was mostly new for her, and she was entertained throughout, although “the one with the Ewoks” was clearly her favorite.

    Like Majestyk, I came to the conclusion that the newer Warses just didn’t bring me joy anymore, and I wasn’t going to sit around watching every show and movie just to grumble about it online. I think the last piece of new Star Wars entertainment I’ve watched is the second season of The Mandalorian. They started losing me the more they tied the story in with the larger Star Wars universe. I was along for the ride for the weekly adventures.

    But revisiting the original trilogy got me thinking about what went wrong with the series. One, they saw Star Wars as a content mill in the same style as Marvel at its peak. And even Marvel with its hundreds of characters couldn’t sustain producing that many movies and TV shows. Star Wars certainly can’t.

    But I think the main problem with the sequel trilogy isn’t how uneven it is quality-wise. Rise of Skywalker might be the worst Star Wars film, and The Last Jedi was divisive. But the prequel trilogy had some pretty vocal critics.

    The problem with the sequel trilogy is that it did nothing to move the broader narrative forward or expand the mythology and larger universe of Star Wars. That’s why you have fewer people watching the sequel trilogy on streaming. They just seem vestigial.

    Say what you will about the prequels, but they were a story about Vader’s downfall and how a Republic devolves into a dictatorship. It has a reason for living and also shows us what the Republic and the Jedi Order looked like.

    What do the sequels really add by comparison? Do they really seem like they’re continuing this saga in a meaningful way?

  16. RBatty024: Couldn’t agree more. Any joy, wonder and entertainment the OG trilogy and even the increasingly underrated Prequel one had for me was eradicated by Disney running their same shitty Marvel Playbook here:

    Hey we have a streaming service, and we need “content” (sic!) so let’s take a franchise that used to be real EVENT Movies and make them a bunch of TV shows, near indistinguishable from 500 other slop buried in Disney+.

    And the shows themselves? Apart from the excellent ANDOR (which looked like they were written by adults who actually held a real job at some point and read the newspapers) , Mando S1 and S2 were ok, then they did Temuera Morrison dirty by hijacking his own show midway to continue the Mando-Grogu storyline because someone realized you can’t move as many Boba Fett dolls as you can Baby Yoda Plushies, Mando S3 was tedious not helped by some weird ass cameos from Jack Black and Lizzo, OBI-WAN and ASOKHA managed to make both characters dull (which is saying something when one of them started out animated!) and by the time they got to the one about a bunch of space witches in a coven, I checked out.

    So, I’m neither in the “They raped my childhood” nor “It all got too woke” camp, just someone who can’t find any joy in this franchise anymore.

  17. JeffG: Yeah, it’s the whole “homework” phenomenon again from Marvel. The “Dark Sabre” plot in THE MANDALORIAN was from CLONE WARS, ASOKHA was basically a continuation of unresolved plot thread from REBELS. This idea that you needed to watch, I don’t know, was it 8 or 9 seasons of CLONE WARS and 4 seasons of REBELS to get the references is frankly ridiculous bordering on arrogance. Many people, myself included don’t watch a lot of the TV shows and many aren’t into animation.

    “I think a lot of fans were unhappy with the real life versions of these animated characters.”

    Yeah…Thrawn for example in REBELS was this menacing, hyper intelligent villain, whose life action version in ASOKHA, became this lumpy dude with half the smarts of his animated counterpart.

  18. The movie was just ok for me. Not mad at it or have much bad to say about. But it was fairly boring with little story and low stakes.

    It was basically like watching an average random filler episode on a tv show. Season 4, episode 7 or something…..

  19. I’m not a STAR WARS guy. The last one I saw in its theatrical run was ATTACK OF THE CLONES. I think I saw all the movies once, and the TV shows not at all. My favorite piece of Star Wars media is the first Knights of the Old Republic game for Xbox. My favorite STAR WAR flick of the last 30 years is probably SOLO, and I literally can’t remember what happened in it. But this was playing at the cheap old-timey theater, so I decided to see it. And in prep I managed to watch two seasons of the Mando show.

    What I like about the series and also this movie, to an extent, is that it leans back into the original STAR WARS influences: samurai and cowboy movies, old movie serials, vaguely Jack Kirbyan character types. And it emphasizes all the stuff I like about the franchise: rogues, cantinas, puppets, guys in suits. At the same time, there’s a kind of video game RPG feel to it– which reminds me of KOTOR. New characters joining the party, side quests, fast travel, leveling up equipment, etc.

    I understand why folks are underwhelmed by the movie. It’s definitely light on Campbellian character arcs, and doesn’t progress the overall story. It doesn’t look like a level-up from the TV series from a visual or budgetary perspective, like the X-FILES or POWER RANGER movies did. There are too many low-energy performances. Is this an expensive advertisement for Disney Plus, or an attempt to recoup some of the money the streaming service is losing?

    All that said, I had fun anyway. I like the episodic structure. Mando is cool. Rotta had a Ben Grimm quality to him. Baby Yoda is an incredibly adorable and charismatic creature, and he eats more onscreen than Brad Pitt in Ocean’s Eleven. Then they juxtapose him with even littler, more adorable creatures. There’s an homage to the FRENCH CONNECTION, in space. They do the Rambo suiting-up trope with Baby Yoda. I pegged the stop-motion robots moving like ED-209 and wondered if it was Tippett– it was! So many of the pieces really tickled my fancy. Do I wish those pieces added up to a stronger whole? Sure. But I enjoyed the ride.

  20. No opinion on the movie but as for Felloni. Before he got the job, it seemed SW fans were wishing he would replace Kennedy but then when he got the job suddenly a different contingent started pipping up feeling that he was too nostalgic or something (?).

    So just STAR WARS fans being STAR WARS fans.

  21. I just want to go on record that I had been dreading for years Kennedy stepping down and Filoni taking over. It was pretty inevitable, there were no real candidates for the job. But with his lack of success in live action, I think it is pretty remarkable they didn’t seek out an outside voice to maybe bring a new direction to the franchise.
    With the absolute flame out of M&G at the box office this week, and with nothing on the horizon until next year, I would hope someone over there has realized they need to do something very different than what they have been doing since pretty much the start of Book of Boba Fett.

  22. My only opinion on this is that it’s very cruel to Diego Luna to make even more Yabbas he can’t touch.

  23. “ The problem with the sequel trilogy is that it did nothing to move the broader narrative forward or expand the mythology and larger universe of Star Wars. That’s why you have fewer people watching the sequel trilogy on streaming. They just seem vestigial.”

    I couldn’t agree more. The sequel trilogy in my view just blew it, and I don’t think STAR WARS as a franchise recovers from that the way other franchises can, because it’s been however many years of mass cultural framing and conditioning about this episodic fate of the galaxy shit with the crawls and prequels and everything reinforcing the view of this all as a straight linear narrative where each new entry should be viewed in relation and comparison to those that preceded it (in release terms and movie timeline terms).

    My own measured assessment is that the prequels and sequels have good elements but mostly don’t work as satisfying films that hold their own in delivering compelling original stories and characters. The sequels are mostly derivative, cluttered, and incoherent; most of the new characters are variations on annoying and forgettable (contrast with SCREAM 6 where I liked the new characters and was actually glad to see the OG characters riding off into the sunset); the plot just seems like a generic reset that undercuts the resolution of the original series. It all feels creatively bankrupt, clownish, and cynical, with the exception of parts of LAST JEDI and the Ford-Driver scenes. By the end of RISE, the crawl/episode macro- core central narrative is just botched like an aging celebrity after a series of bad facelifts. It’s fucked.

    Same as like the TERMINATOR series. It’s over. You can keep making them, but the cultural memory and filmography is now littered with so much crap, mediocrity, bad characters or performances, and narrative convolutions that it’s lost it’s tarnished. My natural response is head canon. Any TERMINATOR past T2 is essentially fan fiction. Same with STAR WARS beyond OG trilogy. No one raped my childhood, I just have no interest in inferior, derivative, cynical cash grabs that think gobs of money are a substitute for coherent and passionate auteurial vision and good storytelling that can stand on its own.

    So, now you are in a landscape littered with a mix of decent, truly special, bad, bland, and disappointing “content.” Which is where we’ve already been for a long time with all my favorite slashers and mist any franchise that goes past part 3. It’s okay. It’s just that ours no longer special, the record / filmography is now decidedly bloated and tarnished, and so you pick and choose what you watch and treasure.

    So, I think that is the sane approach to this stuff. I have watched some of MANDALORIAN but not all. I was overwhelmed at the rate of output and its uneven quality, and that goes for everything in the Disney+ era, including and especially MCU. They opted to flood the zone with content (TM), really lean into the blurring of theatrical event and cinema vs. a streaming chute. Basically, quantity over quality. It does feel like a mill. It is a mill.

    And that is why there are decidedly fewer shits to give about any of this. The whole thing is built to cash in on your memberberries, but that golden goose is now tired, stretched out, addicted to meth, and has a couple face tattoos and bad joker facelifts.

    Best they can do now are good individual stories in this world, but not at the volume and schedule they’ve been trying to keep. I think the “brand” is permanently damaged, because the whole absence makes the heart grow fonder mystique is gone, the narrative is snarled, and it feels like a corporate product or Wal-Mart bobbing for DVDs bin.

    Honestly, this one registers as “may or may not watch someday.”

    In conclusion: HOKUM is good, but not as good ans ODDITY, and made by a real auteur, so, go watch that.

  24. STAR WARS was the jam of my 7 year old life (my 7th birthday was in May 1977, seeing STAR WARS was a birthday present that became tradition for each of the next two movies (EMPIRE & RETURN in 1980 & 1983.) STAR WARS was literally as if someone had ripped open my brain and put on screen everything a seven year old wanted to see. And EMPIRE STRIKES BACK was hands down the greatest movie I could even imagine seeing the I was ten. But by the time of RETURN OF THE JEDI, even 13 year old me could see through a lot of the cracks – another Death Star, another trench run and the obvious kiddie toy placement of the ewoks, but still a really excellent film. But not the originals iconic status, and not EMPIRE’s status as a masterpiece. But I’m not totally unsure why I lost interest in the films even by the time the prequels came out, which I liked quite a bit at the time of their release – I appreciated that Lucas was not standing still, that he was at least trying to open things up somewhat. The sequel trilogy however just left me bored. Maybe like so much of cinematic SF the idea runs out quickly? after all, their is not a lot of ‘lore’ or backstory/history that one can build on from the original trilogy – Lucas was admittedly cribbing from classic films and entry level ‘hero’s’ journey Joseph Campbell. I’m ignorant of all the TV shows, but when MANDALORIAN AND GROGU features a dude who looks like a one note villain in a movie 40+ years old and a trailer that features a neat toy model I built from the movie now 46 years old I don’t see a lot of risks and new things going on. I also think as a SF reader films like STAR WARS (and nearly all cinematic SF) are not really built around serious SF ideas and modes. It’s all really just fantasy. The entire DUNE film discussion right now centres on ending the movies with the second/third books, which is interesting from a SF literary view because in the DUNE books, books 4 – 5 – 6 are the books where the books get into the really interesting, trippy SF ideas and tropes, the first two books being by far the most conventional (and STAR WARS adjacent.)

    I mean I haven’t even watched the original films in 15 – 20 years ( I keep meaning too.) Maybe it’s just that moment in time in my life, the perfect time of childhood right before ‘real’ life started? STAR WARS kind of feels like the movie equivalent of how I had a friend I saw/hung out with, got into trouble with everyday for years when I was the same age, but by the time high school was starting we we’re passing in the halls with a nod and now I wonder what he’s doing with his life.

    Not meant as an attack on anyone who is enjoying them (both old and new films/shows alike.) To each their own, more’s the merrier.

    Back in the day my film school cohort once debated the merits of letting actual real talented filmmaker’s loose in the STAR WARS universe – imagine a mobster movie about Jabba the Hut directed by Martin Scorcese or a storm trooper crime flick from Sidney Lumet or a Princess Leia family comedy/drama from Amy Heckerling? The recent news that Steven Sodebergh had been circling a STAR WARS movie would have gotten my butt into a seat.

  25. And yes – RIP Marcia Lucas – a truly great editor whose work definitely made an impact – George Lucas never even came close to directing a good movie without her, and Scorcese’s hands down masterpiece TAXI DRIVER – and she certainly saved RETURN OF THE JEDI.

  26. RE: why people don’t care about Star Wars anymore after growing up with the OT/PT, it’s something I have tried to psychoanalyze about myself, and I don’t think there’s an easy explanation. Mostly, I just don’t get that same feeling of “I am excited to see this imaginative take on humans living on different planets with familiar but fantastic accessories,” and instead it’s “oh look it’s slightly different versions of the same shit, without any of the compelling story or characters. I’ll pass.”

    One thing that I think is too problematic to even attempt to discuss on the internet with random people- Disney’s attempts to diversify the cast to appeal to more people has always seemed transparently pandering. Like, Star Trek did this in the 60s with a woman in the cast and a bunch of characters that verge on caricature. And it was cheesy but earnest, so people viewed it as breaking barriers and being inclusive. I see a diverse cast of people in Star Wars and all I see are marketing boxes being checked, there’s nothing earnestly inclusive to me about casting Boyega in a pointless role just to have a diverse cast. And because they are in space, there’s no actual culture to it beyond “there are different races of humans in space, and they are all generic space culture.” It felt like the world they built in the OT had meaning and significance behind the sci-fi elements, and again (but less successfully) with the prequels. Maybe because it’s hard to see anything a company like Disney does as earnest or inclusive. It’s hard to see earnestness in much of anything corporate in 2026, but there’s a lot of marketing pretending to be earnestness. So it all seems fake and kind of offensive to have to pretend this is anything but “we need more ethnic people to give us money and research shows they will do that if we make a side character non-white.” But then you start to sound like one of those “mermaids can’t be black” assholes. So better to just ignore it entirely than open that can of worms.

    I have no idea what the point of Star Wars is anymore, and I don’t care about any of these characters in the movies (Andor is the exception because it feels like an actual extension of the OT.) Add in the rancid fanbase and the glut of churned out filler product, and I find it much easier to just ignore the entire thing, and circle back years later when there’s anything worth my time (like Andor.) Pretty much how I feel about the MCU now too, after Endgame. It just doesn’t do anything for me now. But it’s fine, I’m not mad, if there are people that find this shit meaningful to them, I’m glad they have that, but it’s not for me. The baby yoda and silver boba fett don’t really scratch any itch I have, I feel much less itch for any of it and that feels like relief.

  27. I’m resistant to the modern notion of “forced” diversity, like it’s somehow unnatural for non-white people to participate in mainstream culture or society (except as token symbols of a specific culture, rather than as individuals).

    I’m a child of the 1970s, of Star Trek reruns and PBS shows, so I grew up with the assumption that inclusion and diversity were good things. Plus, part of the escapist appeal of sci-fi/fantasy for some people is that they get to imagine someone like themselves as the hero, without the social and historical limitations that might be placed on them in a more conventional drama.

    It never occurred to me that there might be people who felt the opposite, that the very inclusion of minorities (or independent women) was itself an unwelcome intrusion of real-world politics, and that the escapist fantasy was to leave them out and not have to see or hear from them.

    I can somewhat understand the idea of it being distracting to see a totally alien society where the casting choices are designed to match the ethnic variety of an American coastal city in our world.

    But we already accept the conceit that a galaxy far, far away would be populated by beings who look exactly like Earth humans, speak English, mostly have either American or British accents, sometimes have European or Buddhist or Biblical names, and even give their robots names based on Latin letters and Arabic numerals (despite the alien glyphs on their computer screens).

    On the supposedly remote planet of Tatooine, every city or gathering space is a vast melting pot of (fictional) races. And one of the most commonly shown nonhuman races, the Twi’leks, have had different skin colors (green, purple, and was Bib Fortuna albino?). So I question the idea that darker-skinned humans are the only people who don’t belong in this picture. I don’t get how an actor of African or Latin American descent is any more out-of-place in a fictional faraway galaxy than an actor of European descent would be.

    Sci-fi writers used to include fictional aliens as characters on the assumption that doing so would be a way of discussing social issues in the real world while bypassing whatever prejudices the audience might have had towards actual real-world races, and that this might be a way of teaching empathy towards people who are different. I used to think that was a corny and dated relic of a time before our culture became more tolerant. But in the 21st century it feels like even that lesson didn’t quite land.

  28. I guess I’m on the side that says, yeah, maybe it does feel a little forced. Not because there’s a random black guy there, but because there’s always only ONE random black guy there. The ratios of white dude:everyone else always seems so calculated, and it’s easy to be cynical about that. But so what? What’s the other option? Don’t bother? Corporations like Disney don’t do a goddamn thing if market pressure doesn’t force them to, and even then they do the least possible. It is an indisputable fact that every type of person who isn’t a straight white male is underrepresented in all categories of film, which is why Disney’s meager efforts stand out. The answer is not to criticism them for how ham-handed their diversity efforts are, but to criticize them for how half-hearted they are. Great, you put some black and brown people in some movies. How about giving them some actual parts to play now? How about putting some of them in the writing room? Or in the director’s chair? We are still hip-deep in 500 years of white supremacy over here. Diversification and equalization efforts are bound to be a little awkward for a while. The lack of patience with that transition is one reason we’re in Trump’s second term: because honkeys would rather shut it all down rather than work through their own discomfort.

    So sadly, yes, Crudnasty is probably right that the mere presence of some non-caucasoids is one of the factors that have affected STAR WARS’ popularity.

  29. I agree with most of what’s said about why Star Wars doesn’t hit people anymore, though I’ll say that I loved the first two seasons of The Mandalorian (and didn’t watch the third because I got bored during the Boba Fett show, but want to watch it some day). I’m looking forward to seeing this.

    I feel the same way RBatty024 does about a lot of this, but the Star Wars things I loved the most are the things that feel vestigial. I’m thinking of things like the Tie Fighter computer game, which my first look at what a stormtrooper does when they aren’t getting shot, or the Genndy Tartakovsky Clone Wars show that put together little action vignettes around randos like Kit Fisto. I loved reading the random planet names in the Star Tours queue and then looking at the Energizer ads after the ride (here’s somebody’s blurry Flickr photo of a few: https://www.flickr.com/photos/30089540@N05/4841054341), wondering what was happening in these places. Like many kids, I saw Boba Fett in the original trilogy and was totally captivated by whoever this quiet badass with a little cape could be. I loved Dark Horse’s Star Wars Tales anthology.

    To me, Star Wars is three great movies and then a bunch of cool world-building stuff around the edges. I don’t care about all of it– this isn’t an argument in favor of the trade tariff plotline– but I liked reading the Visual Encyclopedias and finding out what life might be like on Coruscant or learning about all the freaks in Jabba the Hutt’s palace. My issues with Star Wars stuff now (and the Mandalorian is largely free of this) probably stem from being older and not having the time or interest that would lead me to buy a Hammerhead action figure and then try to find more information about what his deal was. The newer movies didn’t give me much to think about and extrapolate on, and by staying tied to the characters and stories of the original trilogy they didn’t really try to do that, but also maybe I’m just no longer in a place where I’m able to entertain myself trying to gather info on why the Tusken Raiders look like that.

    On what Crudnasty is saying about diversity– I completely get it. This isn’t Star Wars, but the stuff you’re talking about reminds me of one of the Russo brothers playing an unnamed sad gay man in Avengers Endgame for two minutes and then talking about how they wanted to really make it special when they introduced a queer character into the MCU. And I’d rather have that than Disney trying to move away from that stuff and blaming Lightyear’s failure on a minor background character being a lesbian but I also think it’s spitting in the audience’s eyes to be like “Here’s Kelly Marie Tran, we’re going to throw her to the wolves and let the worst people on the internet bully her, then we’re going to minimize her role in the next movie, please note that we tried real hard to have a more diverse cast!”

  30. When I watched Andor the accents were interesting to me because it seemed like there was maybe some symbolism behind the idea that all the imperial officers seem British, and all Stormtroopers seem to be American. When I first watched the prequels, it was disappointing to me that they got rid of subtitled alien languages in favor of aliens that spoke English with (what seemed to me to be) kind of offensive racist accents. Are they trying to say that living on a beach universally makes a being talk with a Jamaican accent? It was just confusing and seemed forced.

    I don’t think you can just ignore the shorthand that the Empire is a stand in for British colonialism and the Nazi war machine, and add in a bunch of black Stormtroopers, and pretend that suddenly because it’s space, race has ceased to be a factor on determining human tribalism. Or why it’s important to have Lady Brienne as a special variant chrome stormtrooper if there’s nothing significant about casting her. If it’s not significant, why is this the only female stormtrooper ever shown? At least Dedra felt like a real villain who was also a real woman instead of gender swapped just because hey we should have a woman stormtrooper. I think the reason BLACK PANTHER made a billion dollars and had little black kids excited for T’Challa wasn’t because it was a Black movie with black actors and filmmakers, but because it was about Wakanda and this fascinating sci fi take on a fictional but identifiable African culture. If BP didn’t have that connection to something deeper and it’s just “look it’s non-white people in space, and they are main characters no different than the generic white guy roles, you don’t see that every day, isn’t this movie so progressive” like Star Wars seems to do, it doesn’t feel like there’s any significance to it. Same with the Empire- if there’s no identifiable significance to the bad guy symbolism, if it doesn’t make you think of real world parallels, it loses the power to intrigue. Then you just have those REBEL MOON movies.

    I realize all of this makes me sound like I’m “just asking questions” looking for an outcome where movies go back to a bunch of white guys, but really I just want to see humanity portrayed in a way I can relate to, and frankly, humans are way more tribal and hung up on race than most enlightened sci fi wants to portray. I Can Believe That A Man Can Fly, far more than I can believe that humanity can overcome it’s own tribal nature. It’s nice to be proven wrong about that, but it’s a rare movie that can do so.

  31. I appreciate this discussion and feel like I have some agreement with everybody’s points. But I would like to send a wish out into the universe that one day soon we can stop centering the opinions of racist weirdos in everything. Star Wars(tm) has gone from adding Lando in response to criticism, to adding Captain Phasma in response to criticism, to actually being able to casually have a couple of the central characters played by accomplished actors of color without us really thinking about it, and having a show like Acolyte that really is diversely cast and created by a woman allowed to try interesting things. It’s no longer a fix, it’s just a no-brainer thing to do. I think the average normal person (no matter how casual or nerdy about Star Wars) will either not think about the diversity part of it or will think “that’s nice,” because having our entertainment come from and feature people with different backgrounds and perspectives is generally more interesting and aligns with the values of most people. And certainly isn’t detrimental.

    Of course, the star of Acolyte was harassed by bigoted trash, and it was review bombed, and (not necessarily related) the show was cancelled before the story could go anywhere, but we should be able to discuss its strengths and failures without even getting around to the topic of are there too many people of color or women in it. I don’t want to meet these dumb assholes in real life, some of them only talk about Star Wars as algorithm bait for their grifting or their hate group recruitment, so why do they get to set the agenda for all internet discussion? There must be some way to keep one eye open with vigilance but also shut-the-fuck-up-donnie them.

    update: I just want to be clear that I am not trying to lump Crudnasty’s criticisms in with the dumb assholes. I think he makes some very valid points about the sequel trilogy.

  32. Thanks, Vern, and sorry to have exhumed the horse skeleton for another beat down. I think this is one of the very few places that exist in 2026 where something as trivial but weirdly controversial as Star Wars can be analyzed in good faith without worrying the discussion is going to be shat upon by anti-woke dipshit sealion arguments. When I search my feelings about where Star Wars lost me, it’s mostly the aimlessness of the sequels and the fact that I want different things from my entertainment, but there is part of me that does roll my eyes at the diversity casting, not because it’s attempting to be more diverse but because it’s only surface level diverse, like Majestyk was saying. That’s not worth getting anywhere close to upset over, and my feelings that it’s forced and ham fisted are unimportant compared to any actual kid or grown person who gets a genuine feeling of inclusion and representation from these movies, so I can’t even write about it without wanting to include ATHF Carl’s caveat of “it don’t matter, none of this matters” but as far as a sincere attempt to articulate to Lucasfilm why they have not recently seen my ticket money, these are things I’m gonna need them to put more thought into and make their universe seem more organic to my subconscious sensibilities before I go back to being actually excited about more of their trademarked entertainment delivery products.

    Also sorry this turned into a thing about Star Wars in general and not the Man Delorian and Gorgo. I’m not likely to beat the dumb asshole allegations with this behavior. I yield my time.

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