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Windtalkers (second review)

tn_windtalkerswoozoneusaBWINDTALKERS is an American John Woo picture that I kinda hated at the time. I can prove it: here’s my review. But I watched it again and although I don’t really disagree with anything I said in that review, now I think it’s okay. Maybe this is because I watched the director’s cut, which is longer and more violent, like a real John Woo movie. Maybe it’s because I came to it with different hopes and expectations, having already not liked it. Or maybe it’s because I’ve grown and changed as a person and movie watcher since the last time. I suspect it’s a combination of all three.

This is Woo’s WWII movie, which makes sense because it’s about male bonding through violence, but also the evil of endless violence, and also a pretty invisible minority (the Navajo) reaching across cultural lines to achieve a common goal, much like Woo making movies in Hollywood.

Nicolas Cage, five years after his triumphant turn as Castor Troy/Sean-Archer-wearing-Castor-Troy’s-face in FACE/OFF, plays the less exciting but also conflicted protagonist Joe Ender, a marine who gets a medal for getting blown up but blames himself for not listening to his men’s cries to let them retreat. They all died because he stuck to his orders. After some time healing up and cheating on tests at the veteran’s hospital he jumps at the first chance to get back into combat, which turns out to be protecting Ben Yahzee (Adam Beach, FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS), a rookie who has been recruited because he speaks Navajo. A batch of “code talkers” communicate over the radio not only in this rare language, but using code words. For example, the Navajo word for “tortoise” means “tank.” A Japanese radio interceptor can’t even tell what language it is, says it sounds like they’re underwater. It’s an unbreakable code. Unless one of these guys get captured. And they kinda seem like they might.

mp_windtalkersAlong with Ben you got his old friend Charlie (Roger Willie, ADAPTATION), protected by    Ox (Christian Slater, BROKEN ARROW). Neither seem up for a fight. They’re nervous just being around the other soldiers, many of whom throw racist shit at them. In particular there’s Chick (Noah Emmerich, COP LAND), a redneck who talks about Custer and shit. At one point he jumps Ben when he’s cleaning himself and claims “I thought he was a nip” because his uniform was off. Double racism! (This is a clever scene too because it sets up a later one where Ben decides to put on a Japanese uniform to infiltrate their camp.)

But Ender is not just a bodyguard. He’s not even mainly a bodyguard. He actually has secret orders to kill Ben if he’s gonna be captured. They can’t have that tortoise stuff tortured out of him. Here he is again, ready to follow orders at the expense of someone who is increasingly his friend.

Cage does low-grade mega, constantly stressed out, dramatically popping pills (a Cage favorite), and even having a few bouts of inappropriate laughter (when they’re getting shelled by their own side and don’t have a radio to tell them to stop, when he’s telling the story of giving away his first medal). Beach comes off as a regular, nice guy. So Joe’s bond with Ben is more of a “this is a nice enough guy with a family and stuff, he doesn’t deserve to die” than a “this man is my brother, we are of the same blood, we are one” type thing. Maybe that’s why Joe’s willing to die for him. He doesn’t feel the need to have more time to hang out with him.

The friendship between Ox and Charlie is a little better. Ox is the only white guy that seems to notice how the Navajo are being treated and make an effort to invite them into card games and stuff. He hears Charlie playing his flute and decides to jam with him on his harmonica. Two distinct sounds styles coming together to form a new sound, one that can only exist from cultures coming together.

still_windtalkersAt least in the director’s cut this is definitely the most violence in an American John Woo movie. It’s a whole fucking lot of shooting, stabbing, exploding, running, screaming, burning, shooting some more, blowing up some more, repeat, repeat, repeat, and repeat two more times. The war scenes – like in Woo’s other anti-war films, BULLET IN THE HEAD and (arguably) HEROES SHED NO TEARS – are chaotic and feverish, soldiers trudging and killing through endless stretches of dirt and trees and oil barrels and shit. They’re a little heightened, because there are alot of somersaults, and more using bayonets like swords than your usual white boy Americans want to do in a war movie. But also machine guns and pistols and the shit that you’d expect.

Actually, I think it’s a weakness of the script that so much of this is about shooting and burning people when the basis of the story is this code. There are a couple scenes about trying to get radios for the code talkers to use, but it could use a little more emphasis on their task, since that’s the one part of the story that stands out from every other WWII movie ever made.

Otherwise it doesn’t really seem stylistically Woo-ish too often, but there’s actually one motif tying it to BROKEN ARROW and BLACKJACK. The shot that introduces Cage starts on a butterfly! People make fun of Woo for using doves alot, but those guys are amateurs, they have no idea that he also uses butterflies alot.

In this one it flies along the water, much like the butterfly in BROKEN ARROW.


But then it comes to some blood in the water and immediately darts away, never to be seen again.


There goes the innocence, I suppose. The blood turns out to be coming from a dead American soldier laying in the water, and the camera pans up to Nicolas Cage above him, firing a machine gun at somebody.

I retain my original dislike of the score by James Horner. He seems to often go for majestic and patriotic while the imagery is going for human misery and nightmarish mayhem, and not in a way that seems like deliberate juxtaposition. To me it plays more like he and Woo never got to meet to discuss the movie or make corrections. The music is often distractingly overblown and at odds with what’s underneath, confusing the mood and interfering with the momentum of the action.

Despite what the music seems to think, this is a movie that barely even hints at the purpose of The Good War. As much as the movie respects and sides with the soldiers in their plight, it is very much not a celebration of war. When Joe’s nurse girlfriend (Francis O’Connor, A.I.) mentions in a letter that she hears the war is going well and may be close to an end, you realize that these guys are never privy to the bigger picture. To them they’re not fighting toward a specific strategic goal, they’re just killing, killing, killing until they’re told to stop.

And nobody enjoys it. Woo is very fond of showing the soldiers looking regretful after killing. The codetalkers try to avoid even getting involved in the fighting for a while. At one point Joe finishes off a guy for Ben and it seems like a very thoughtful favor to not make him do it. But even Joe at one point is so nervous about making a mistake again that he pukes.

There’s a guy in their squad named Harrigan (Brian Van Holt, BULLET TO THE HEAD) who uses a blowtorch. In one scene he sprays a Japanese gun station with flames, and two guys run out on fire, flailing and screaming in agony. In HARD BOILED this would be an awesome moment, but here Woo plays it as horrendous. We get to both Harrigan and Ben looking horrified by what they’ve just done.


Poor Harrigan gets maybe the Woo-iest death. He sees a little girl crying in a village so he kneels down, talks nice to her, gives her a chocolate bar. This sweetness is abruptly interrupted by a gorey, meaty shot to his shoulder as a Japanese squad comes over the hill. He picks up the girl and Tequila/Jack Devlins her out of the way, then puts her down and tells her to run, but she just stands there crying. All he can do is throw a Hershey bar to Mark Ruffalo, get her to chase it like a dog chasing a tennis ball. Then he turns to use his torch on the enemies, but a bullet hits the tank on his back, and this happens:



And he stumbles and crawls around on fire and screaming (like those two Japanese soldiers he felt bad about killing earlier) until Joe comes over and shoots him.

Man, that poor girl is never gonna eat a candy bar again.

At its heart this is a movie about characters, particularly Joe and his learning to value friendship and humanity over what he’s supposed to do. And also it’s about the white dudes in general learning through experience that these Navajo boys are good people.

But more than anything I think it served to give Woo practice mounting giant battle scenes in a period setting. Six years later he fluttered away from Hollywood to do one of his best movies, the epic two-parter RED CLIFF. So far he hasn’t been back.

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24 Responses to “Windtalkers (second review)”

  1. This movie really dismayed me. I was looking forward to it because I really loved Woo’s other war pictures, especially Bullet in the Head. I have no clue why I thought Hollywood would let him make a movie like that but I was young and naive. I bought the director cut’s when it came, hoping that it would be improved but this is one of those director cuts that is just a longer version of the released film.

    Mostly disappointed because it is just a bland and generic war movie. We were getting a number of those around that time, or so my memory is telling me (like We Were Soldiers and such). To add to that, this one had the really interesting subject of the Windtalkers and ignores them to tell the same damned story that almost every post-Saving Private Ryan war film tells.

  2. As I was reading about Woo’s use of butterflies I looked up and there was a butterfly fluttering around outside my window. I don’t know what that means, but there you go. I’m really hoping I am not about to now experience a Woo-like event.

  3. I only saw the Director’s Cut, so I was a little puzzled by how much you disliked it the first time. It’s not a great movie, especially for Woo coming off FACE/OFF, but I thought it had its moments. I remember liking Christian Slater’s character. Was it ever explained why his name was Ox? He doesn’t seem very Ox like.

  4. Sorry to veer off topic, Vern, but on the night when the Donald cements the GOP nomination, it feels like the return of Vern Tells It Like It Is can be one of those things to help us find our way back to hope in a particularly dark national moment. We need ya back in the fight, my friend.


  5. Hi Deke, Ox tells Joe when he first introduces himself that it’s short for his hometown of Oxnard, California. Also, I too have only seen the director’s cut and like it well enough. It’s clearly trying to be a John Woo film with its melodrama clashing and maybe losing to the type of war film en vogue at the time.

  6. Damnit, I meant Zeke. I’ve got Deke Thornton and The Wild Bunch on my mind since I spoke with Meg Foster this past weekend.

  7. I seem to remember during the press for this film the filmmakers and maybe even military were saying his orders never were to kill Yahzee. That the cryptic orders were to tell him to give his life for the code. They probably got military cooperation so had to pretend the U.S. military never ordered soldiers to kill our own soldiers, but that is the problem with the movie.

    They were never going to tell the real tragic story that the people who provided a vital service to our victory were also more valuable dead to protect their asset. So Cage was never going to be faced with making that impossible choice. Even SPOILER the other code talker does get killed before capture, he gives the ok to do it. So the movie doesn’t even have a scene of a code talker begging his comarade not to but the American having to follow orders anyway.

    Anyone remember that stock footage shot of the warship? Do we ever have stock footage anymore in the age of digital filmmaking?

  8. Well, the CIA building can´t be photograped anymore am I right?. So whenever a film need to go “Meanwhile in Langley” there is stock footage shots that filmmakers use.

  9. I had forgotten this even existed. It was one I always meant to go back revisit, to see where it had gone so wrong, but never got around to. But there’s a Director’s Cut I also completely forgot about, so I’ll have to check the local video library and see if they’ve got it.

  10. I’ve only seen the Director’s Cut, so I always thought this one was underrated, if only for the generous helping of Woo action it serves up. But I must admit that I also often forget it exists, both when thinking of John Woo movies and when thinking of Nic Cage movies. It’s not either one of their greats, nor is it one of their hilarious failures. It just kind of is. I mean, that Director’s Cut comes in a fancy three-disc fold-out box set that takes up more space on my shelf than that BLADE RUNNER set with every version in it, and still I forget that I own it. Maybe time for a re-watch, I think.

  11. Never saw that one. I stayed away from it, because of my general dislike for war movies, but it’s surprising that the Director’s Cut is so well liked. I was always under the impression, it’s one of those “We put some random deleted scenes in and maybe restore a few MPAA cuts and call it Director’s Cut” affairs, since it never comes up in discussions about different versions that improve a movie.

  12. WWII crypto is about the coolest topic in the world but all the movies they make about it suck.

    I recommend the book CRYPTONOMICON by Neal Stephenson.

    Also RIP American politics. You can’t take back something like this. We have to live with this forever.

  13. Ah yes, the 00’s trend of post SAVING PRIVATE RYAN war movies, many of which were flops even if they actually pretty good like ENEMY AT THE GATES.

    I never saw WINDTALKERS, but I did see WE WERE SOLDIERS from that same year, what was weird about that one was it was very much the same style of movie but happened to actually be about Vietnam, so it’s the rare movie about Vietnam without the whole “Purple Haze in my brain” vibe most Vietnam war movies have.

  14. So weird – i saw the theatrical version last night off Amazon Prime, and was totally convinced I was watching the Director’s Cut since it just felt so…different from a Hollywood movie today. Not just in the fact that there’s tons of practical ‘splosions and “cast of thousands” battle scenes like you don’t see anymore, but also there’s so MUCH of it. I swear this movie has the highest body count and highest action-per-minute ratio of any Hollywood movie in recent memory. It’s a weird mixture of historical drama/Oscar Bait, Shakespearean melodrama, and Wild West Stunt Show where ENDLESS supplies of stuntpeople get lit on fire and get jiggled around by bullets over and over and over again. I cannot stress to you how much action is in this movie.

    There’s actually a TON of character development and talky, contemplative scenes that build motivation and character – it really felt like most of the non-action scenes were like deleted scenes you’d see on the DVD and say “man I wish they kept that in!” except they actually kept them in. I grew to know and like almost all the characters who eventually get knocked off Predator-style, and I didn’t remember Cage’s performance being very memorable, but he’s actually great here- he goes MEGA when needed and brings it in the serious, “for your consideration” scenes. His *SPOILER* death scene is also harrowing – it’s not clean and traditional like you’d expect an Oscar winner’s noble, sacrificial death to be – it’s messy and bloody and you can’t really understand what he’s saying – it’s great stuff.

    Depressing sidenote: Will a special edition reissue of this movie include the Navajo Code TalkerWhite House ceremony where Donald Trump acts bored and fidgets the entire time and then grabs the mic to talk about Pocahontas and takes cheap shots at Elizabeth Warren? Because I Youtubed that right after watching this movie and felt like I was losing my mind.

    Other sidenote: Just came back from Monument Valley which is incredible, and incredibly photographed in this movie. (That final helicopter shot is crazy-good.) There’s a uh… Burger King nearby that has a Navajo Code-talkers exhibit inside, including memorabilia from the movie. It’s a must-see if you’re out there.

    Burger King Navajo Code Talkers Display

    Hidden inside this Arizona fast food franchise is an in-depth exhibit on the famed WWII counterintelligence program.

  15. Thanks dude. You have convinced me to finally give this one a watch.

  16. If you want to see it, watch the DC, which is on BD now:

    The announced that thing like the day after I rebought the DVD of it.

    Anyways been meaning to rewatch it and should do that soon before Woovember ends.

  17. Continuing my revisit of Woo’s American films, gave Windtalkers another chance. directors cut. Still don’t like it. It’s just a lousy script which I guess isn’t Woo’s fault but you’d think he has script approval.

    There’s just no way this movie should end other than Cage has to shoot his best friend to prevent him falling into enemy hands. Not that I want Yahzee to die but it has to be that statement of the US using the Navajo for their language but still making them expendable. And the other code talker giving the nod when he gets flamethrowered like he approves of taking one for the team is utter bullshit.

    Woo directs the battle scenes well. This is probably one of the last movies with crowds of extras (We Were Soldiers was around this time too.) I know Woo won’t badmouth anyone because he’s a gentleman but man this is some whitewashing.

    Don’t worry, I won’t revisit MI2 but Paycheck might be in the running. I may have to conclude with Face/Off just to bookend with his most awesome US movies.

  18. Guess I conflated Charlie giving the nod and the flamethrower death. They’re separate but it’s still bullshit.

  19. I revisited M:I-2 at the start of lockdown and (for the first time) really enjoyed it. Once you get past the embarrassing introductory scene for Newton, which felt like a bad 60s throwback then and certainly hasn’t aged well, it’s a giant goodie bag of a film.

  20. I’m fine with MI2. I think it’s a very pretty movie where nothing happens. I remember it well enough not to need to revisit, whereas Hard Target was almost like watching it for the first time, and Broken Arrow brought back memories too. Windtalkers and Paycheck I haven’t seen since they came out but I never hated Paycheck. It probably reminded me of 90s sci-fi like Freejack and No Escape except it actually was based on Philip K Dick.

  21. I rewatched this with the Nic Cage/Christian Slater DVD commentary yesterday. During the big battle scene in which Christian Slater is killed, Cage mentions that he wanted to do the entire rest of the battle scene while carrying around Slater’s severed head, to convey how his character had truly gone insane. Sadly, everybody else on set was against this. It could have been one of the finest Mega moments of Cage’s career.

  22. Really can’t get the hate (or, okay, mild-to-moderate dislike) for this one. It’s Nic Cage as Sgt. Rock men on a mission crossed with a genuine John Woo heroic bloodshed movie. I don’t know, maybe accuse me of lowered expectations, but how many times since then have we had a genuine epic that wasn’t about Batman? A movie with a cast of thousands, a squib-count of millions, characters outrunning explosions multiple times, Mark Ruffalo, full-blown knifefights breaking out in the middle of gunfights… I’m feeling all Great Gatsby just thinking about it. We didn’t appreciate John Woo enough when we had him and now we’ll never even get another Broken Arrow.

  23. Shiiiiiit, I just realized that the guy who gets the flamethrower death is Bobby from COUGAR TOWN! (One of those actors who I learned to love as a goofy comedy character, only to realize that he is actually a really good dramatic actor who appeared in tons of shit without me noticing him for some reason. He was also the guy who got his tattoo removed with a welding torch in season 1 of SONS OF ANARCHY.)

  24. I predict his new one SILENT NIGHT will be better than BROKEN ARROW. (Point taken, though.)

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