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Eddington

As some of you are aware I am an avowed triple-A (Ari Aster Appreciator). I loved his two hit horror movies (HEREDITARY and MIDSOMMAR) and then I loved his flop comedy (BEAU IS AFRAID) even more, so obviously I was gonna see his new one EDDINGTON no matter what. When it was announced it was described as a western, which is a stretch – nobody would put this in the westerns section at a video store. But yeah, it has feuds and jurisdictional disagreements between a small town sheriff, the mayor and the Native law enforcement just over the border, trouble in a bar, various groups trying to profit from a big construction project, things devolving into a big shootout. I get it.

Of Aster’s other movies it’s closest to BEAU, but it’s less surreal and, to me at least, not nearly as funny. In fact it might’ve made me laugh less than any of them. But there are certainly some good ones in there and I did laugh just thinking about some of its ideas while discussing it with friends.

What it definitely does achieve is a stressful portrait of what our lives have become in the last half decade. It’s set in May of 2020 and begins with a series of confrontations over mask ordinances. Eddington, New Mexico Sheriff Joe Cross (Joaquin Phoenix, U TURN) doesn’t want to wear a mask when officers from the Pueblo tribe insist he follow the law in their jurisdiction. Later he forces a grocery store to allow in a guy who refuses to mask (James Cady, “Train Conductor,” HOSTILES). Mayor Ted Garcia (Pedro Pascal, THE EQUALIZER 2) happens to be there and tries to calmly reason with Joe, who then goes outside and does a livestream announcing that he’s running against him in the next election.

The movie is full of loaded scenarios to make some of us squirm – it’s practically boobytrapped. Because we know now that wearing a mask outside isn’t important, it seems goofy to be treating it as such a grave matter. But they didn’t know it then, so obviously the sheriff should exercise caution for the safety of his community and also set an example by following the state ordinance. He’s even more out of line at the grocery store because the other customers have a right to feel/be safe while getting the food they need. I’m not gonna change my mind on this, the people who refused to do a very small thing to help slow down a disease that killed millions (and still isn’t done) were wrong, and it kinda feels like I’m siding with those assholes when I catch myself laughing at the other guys for going a little overboard in their mask compliance. I get why some people took EDDINGTON as some kind of “both sides” South Park bullshit, but I don’t think that gets the movie right. And I like that it makes me sit in my discomfort knowing it’s pushing my buttons, not some imaginary other person’s I think I’m better than.

Even touchier issue: the murder of George Floyd is acknowledged in the course of the movie, and the BLM movement (“Blacks Lives Matter,” according to Officer Guy [Luke Grimes, TAKEN 2]) reaches Eddington. A small group of passionate young people picket an empty street, and the mayor’s son Eric (Matt Gomez Hidaka, Silo) and his friend Brian (Cameron Mann, A VERY MERRY TOY STORE) start competing to be the most radical to impress social justice activist Sarah (Amélie Hoeferle, NIGHT SWIM). She used to date a cop, Michael (Micheal Ward, THE OLD GUARD), who is Black so they presumptuously tell him to join their protest. They’re prone to yelling things about stolen land and white supremacy that aren’t always germane, and I really laughed when Brian stepped up to a microphone to make a speech that he said he shouldn’t even be making because he should be listening to people of color which is what he’ll do as soon as he’s done speaking.

And all this is true, but… See, many young people become very militant as they start growing up and learning about the wrongs of the world. Some of them are smarter than me, others can be loud mouths about things they don’t understand that well, they can be annoyingly strident, they can get into a movement for the wrong reasons. But that can be true of anyything – movie discussion, bird watching, sports; only in left wing activism does it get used to dismiss the entire movement. Nobody says rock ’n roll is trash because somebody learned guitar just to impress girls. So to me jokes about protesters can feel like somebody making fun of an annoying friend – hey, only I get to do that. I can laugh at some goofy shit at a protest, we’re still right that the war is wrong, that the president is a deranged criminal, that cops keep killing Black people without accountability. Broadly speaking throughout American history the youth movements have been correct, even if somebody was silly about it. Today we know beyond the shadow of a doubt that there were many hippies who absolutely sucked, and also that they were obviously fucking right about the Vietnam War!

But I think EDDINGTON knows this. Sheriff Joe doesn’t seem entirely out of line when he chuckles at this protest in front of nobody and is befuddled about how their slogans apply to a department that’s just him and a couple other guys. Then he tries to clear them out anyway! Why does he care? Because that’s what cops do. They escalate. We also hear tell of past racial and excessive force incidents and witness some new ones. Joe thinks discussing systemic racism makes no since because it doesn’t happen here. He also thinks following Covid safety rules is dumb because nobody here has Covid. And you can imagine where that goes.

Anyway, I enjoyed the later scenes where cops and citizens panic that “THE RIOTS ARE HERE!” when the small crowd of picketers grows to a slightly larger small crowd of picketers (plus some counter-protesters with a Blue Lives Matter flag).

More than the summer 2020 issues already mentioned, this is a movie about conspiracy theories. It opens with the town’s one derelict spitting and ranting about the data center and who knows what. That’s all he does, walk around yelling and occasionally breaking a window at the bar to steal a drink. His name is Lodge and I had no clue he was played by Clifton Collins Jr. (FORTRESS, THE REPLACEMENT KILLERS, MINDHUNTERS). In a sadly very true to life depiction the ostensibly liberal and mostly reasonable mayor calls the sheriff on Lodge and even though Joe hates Ted and argues about it he ultimately does all he knows to do with a mentally ill person, which is try to rough him up. It never occurs to either of these two to try to figure out how to help the guy.

The other thing that’s very sadly true is that Ted’s main political focus seems to be meetings to push through the Solidgoldmagikarp Data Center being built on shared land between Eddington and the Pueblo. This is a problem we have in supposedly progressive Seattle, I see it in New York, I see it with so many elected Democrats: they share or claim to share many of our political goals, but in the end they’re beholden to land developers and corporations that don’t want what we want.

Joe and Ted’s feud has roots in past scandal, some of it never fully illuminated to us. Ted seems like mostly a good guy but he lets his asshole side out when he’s with his financial advisor (King Orba, “Railroad Enforcer,” 3:10 TO YUMA). Joe leans belligerent but this is that moment before MAGA had swallowed the entire right wing, when there was still incentive to seem like a caring, empathetic person even if you were a cop or a Republican. So publicly he keeps saying that the death of George Floyd was a tragedy, privately he keeps asking a confused Michael if he’s “okay,” and also gives him an unexpected promotion while not-convincingly denying it “has anything to do with the news.”

His family life is also unusual enough to humanize him. His wife Louise (Emma Stone, THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN) is nice, artistically talented, also psychologically troubled. Her mother Dawn (Deirdre O’Connell, SYNECDOCHE, NEW YORK) has been living with them and is 24-7 obsessed with conspiracy articles which she verbally summarizes to Louise, sends to her in email and also gives her print-offs of. Joe and Louise are exhausted by her but as Louise humors her she starts to believe more and more of the stuff too. (One conspiracy she does not unravel is that the orders she keeps getting for her weird art come from the sheriff’s department, possibly with tax dollars?)

Communication is important in a marriage. But Louise found out Joe was running for mayor from seeing it on the internet, and he later causes a major scandal by deciding she was abused by Ted and announcing it at a press conference, which she disagrees with and responds to by posting a video. Joe is also annoyed by people recording him to try to incriminate the police, while he records his own interactions with Ted. Because EDDINGTON is basically The Internet (derogatory) come to life, Louise and her mom not only become followers of a weird internet guru, but show up with him at the house. Austin Butler (THE DEAD DON’T DIE) plays Vernon Jefferson Peak and I’m unclear what his whole deal is other than he oozes sexuality and rock star swagger while telling his story of escaping a horrific child trafficking ring. If I wasn’t already sold on Butler from ELVIS and THE BIKERIDERS this would’ve done it because he just draws your attention, you can’t stop watching him even when he’s not the one talking. I swear he has cult leader magnetism for real. And the scene made me realize that while I would be skeptical of those claims in real life I have no idea if they’re real within the movie. Any of this could be, or all of it, or none of it. We have no shared reality.

It’s interesting though that when Dawn, who talks about conspiracies all day, meets specific people saying that something happened to them, it’s too much for her and she has to excuse herself. I guess she prefers it at a distance.

BEAU is long and comically punishing, but benefits from a sort of chapter structure – a section in the city, then the suburbs, then the woods. EDDINGTON sticks to this one town, but pinging between different characters who themselves ping between different conflicts and rabbit holes. But there’s a turning point where things get violent and Oh Shit It’s On. Despite the satirical nature of the whole thing the deaths are serious and upsetting. Without specifics I will SPOILER that Joe commits some horrific crimes and tries to blame them on protesters. I wasn’t thinking contemporary western, I was thinking neo-noir as it turned into a question of whether Pueblo Officer Butterfly Jimenez (William Belleau, BLOOD QUANTUM), who gets involved because a shot was fired from Pueblo land, will be able to prove the suspicions he clearly has at the crime scene. I love when a movie has a character like Officer Butterfly who’s not in it much but quietly steals the movie for a while late in the game.

Big change of subject here but I want to note that the director of photography is Darius Khondji, whose past works include DELICATESSEN, THE CITY OF LOST CHILDREN, SE7EN, EVITA, OKJA, and UNCUT GEMS. A genius. This one isn’t as flashy as some of those but I have seen it noted (and made fun of for being noted) that he found very effective ways to frame, for example, Joe’s phone mounted on his dashboard so that it can be an interesting shot even when it’s showing us videos and comments and hashtags and shit. It works.

I listened to Aster on WTF with Marc Maron and also with Bill Hader on the A24 Podcast. He says this was a contemporary western script he wrote before HEREDITARY but had never quite been happy with, and then after 2020 when he was trying to write a story about what these times feel like he rewrote the script with that in mind. I hope this isn’t too self-indulgent to bring up but it reminds me of what I was trying to do with my first not-read-by-very-many-people self published novel Niketown. I had all these ideas for expressing how crazy things felt in the Bush era, and I tried to combine them with my version of a crime novel. I’m proud of that book but since I started with the feeling and figured out a story to fit it there’s kind of a rambling feel to it. When I did my second book I was much more insistent on nailing down a strong structure – that’s what I prefer. So that sort of explains why I like EDDINGTON but (on one viewing anyway) don’t love it.

Or maybe I do? It’s a thinker. It gets in there and jostles around. I may have to see it again.


P.S.

SUPER SPOILER SECTION:

Part of the conceit of BEAU was to make all the most unreasonable fears of its title character real, and I saw a political edge to its exaggeratedly nightmarish depiction of urban living, since the worst people in American politics have convinced their dumbest marks that that shit is a documentary. For the most part EDDINGTON does not use that gimmick but there’s a huge exception late in the movie, when suddenly we cut to a private jet filled with mysterious radical leftists. At some point I wondered if this was not real within the movie, but an expression of Joe’s delusions. No, they turn out to be heavily armed Antifa Super Soldiers flying around to burn down police stations and kill cops and shit.

Again, this is poking at my sensitivities, throwing in this higher level of absurdity after the movie had seemingly shifted into serious mode. It bothers me when RAMBO: LAST BLOOD or SICARIO: DAY OF THE SOLDADO use preposterous scenarios that mirror right wing propaganda, because I worry that it reinforces that bullshit for some people. In this instance I love it though, this is one of the parts that hits as rare and deeply funny a tone as my favorite bits in BEAU. With a straight face (and scary intonations in the score by Daniel Pemberton and Bobby Krlic) Aster depicts this thing that was widely feared by dummies on Facebook, and we get to see how fucking ludicrous it looks. In the epilogue it’s funny to hear people referencing “the antifa terrorist attacks” of 2020, like a famous tragedy we all know about. Because it’s 2025 and we don’t. And are they even talking about antifa anymore? They got the fa and stopped worrying about the anti.

There’s so much grim humor in the way things end up – Dawn passing herself off somewhat as a normal politician but still launching into her conspiracy rants, well-intentioned Brian unwittingly helping the sheriff frame a Black man for murder, then shooting somebody and being happy to pivot to right wing influencer. I kinda thought the point was that all these people are fighting each other and in the end they got a data center that’s gonna pollute their home six ways to Sunday. But are we supposed to believe them when they claim it’s solar and wind powered? I don’t know. Either way I guess it all comes down to storing more of this data that adds so much magic to their lives. Just what they need.

 

 

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26 Responses to “Eddington”

  1. As I’ve mentioned before, I used to be fond of saying that there were some movies that I was so disinterested in, movies that were so obviously Not For Me, that I wouldn’t watch them if you paid me. “Not for money,” I’d say.

    Now, I know better. We live in a capitalist hellscape, and I, like everything else, can be bought. But I’m not cheap. The longer this review went on, the higher the price went.

    This is a $950 movie. A new record.

    Oh shit, I just checked IMDb and it’s two and a half hours long. Because of course it is. The price just went up. $1150 and not a penny less. Believe me, I’d be earning every cent.

    I accept PayPal or Amazon gift cards.

  2. I saw one my favorite comedians (Paul F Tompkins) perform about a month ago. One of his bits was that maybe we can relax about forcing people to take off their shoes when they come over to visit now that we have armed kidnappers in the streets. Maybe things that were super important to us at one point have just faded due to (waves hands). I know after COVID whenever someone complains that “Oh my god, Target has the Christmas display out in SEPTEMBER” or “The pumpkin spice latte is now available in August” I kind of shrug and think – it makes someone happy and doesn’t hurt anyone. Want to put up your Halloween decorations in September? Go nuts. We’re in a hellscape and this is not the hill I’m dying on.

    I can respect your passion for film, Majestyk, and you watch what makes you happy. For me, outside of felon Dinesh D’Souza or Christian-right movies, I just can’t reach that level of anger these days. New mediocre Alien and Indiana Jones movies (some of my favorite franchises)? Well, they were disappointing, but hopefully people got paid.

  3. If the works of Ari Aster make some poor miserable soul happy, then god bless him. I’m just talking about my own viewing choices here. Especially in a world where jackbooted thugs are yoinking American citizens off the street and climate catastrophe is just around the corner, I cannot countenance wasting one minute, let’s alone 148, on a movie I know I’ll hate. Our minutes are more precious than they’ve ever been, and selling them without substantial financial remuneration is practically a sin.

  4. I love you Maj, but sometimes I think you’re trying to die on the wrong hill.

    I mean, having a terribly strong response to an art-piece you haven’t experienced first-hand is kind of exactly what the piece is expecting of you.

    I dunno. Not an Ari Aster fan myself (I haven’t even watched all of HEREDITARY at once, just in bits) but I mean, I don’t love every Billy Wilder joint either.

    When you swing for fences it doesn’t always yield a grand slam but some of us can enjoy the effort and skill it takes to have the confidence to swing away.

    Again, I love you Maj but I think your insecurities in your own skills lead you down a path that leaves you questioning your merits versus those of others. This isn’t a “take-down”, God no.

    Your writing style and your take on the material is always on point.

    But you get bitter and your cogent ideas get lost a bit when you straight up say you refuse to engage with the art in question.

    *shrug* Again, I love your words regardless because you do have a way of making the discourse intellectually difficult in that “confrontational” way of having a “hot-take” but sometimes I think you chase that high rather than truly engaging with the thing you are talking about.

    All this was meant to be constructive, not destructive, which seems on point for a conversation between two people who haven’t even watched this one yet…

  5. On the subject of Vern’s novels, WORM ON A HOOK may be “technically better” but I would say that NIKETOWN is “more uniquely ‘Vern'”. I loved both anyway, but NIKETOWN’s my favorite.

  6. I still think of NIKETOWN every time I see a billboard. The ads don’t even register. Thank you Vern.

  7. @Aktion “I think your insecurities in your own skills lead you down a path that leaves you questioning your merits versus those of others.” So Majestyk dislikes Ari Aster because he doubts his own skills as a writer? If that’s what you meant then that seems like a stretch to me, especially since Majestyk is one of the best writers to hang out here.

    One of my favorite Majestyk comments (I wish I could remember which movie it was under so I could re-read it) was when he said that he used to think that serious dramas were “for weiners” and that horror movies were for tougher viewers like himself … until he realized he didn’t like serious dramas because “I’m the weiner. I can’t take it” because in a serious drama you have to sit with the difficult and upsetting things about real life, without the catharsis you get from a violent horror or action movie.

    Also he has many times articulated his dissatisfaction with the slow, minimalist aesthetic of Ari Aster, Robert Eggers, A24, modern arthouse and “elevated horror” movies, finding them painfully boring.

    All of which adequately conveys that he just doesn’t like these movies. For him they’re boring at best and painful at worst, because he prefers visceral genre movies. That’s personal preference. I don’t see the need to suggest an additional hidden reason when he’s already explained his reasons in detail over the years.

    My own preferences are different. I thought BEAU IS AFRAID was funnier than hell – I laughed pretty consistently for most of its giant running time – and this EDDINGTON review has increased my interest in a movie that I had been only mildly interested in before.

  8. Aktion: I’m fine with who I am. I’m in a good place. I like me and what I add to this world. I just hate Ari Aster movies, man. Seen two he directed, one he produced. They all ruined my day. If a restaurant gives me the shits three times, I don’t think it’s intellectual cowardice to not seek out that experience a fourth time. You could argue, I suppose, that this is exactly the experience Aster intended me to have. He wants to ruin my day. But as our host once said, if a guy shits in your face on purpose, you are under no obligation to tell him “Hey man, nice shot!”

    Thank you for the compliments, but I’m comfortable with my standard two strikes and you’re out policy on filmmakers. I’ve given Aster two and a half. More than enough to have an informed opinion. I know what he’s offering and it’s Not For Me. I don’t think there is much to be gained from engaging with art that only angers me. I got enough anger as it is.

  9. Curt: I’ve branched out a lot since that comment, and I don’t primarily watch visceral genre movies anymore. These days, I mostly gravitate toward movies from the 30s, 40s, and 50s. I like ‘em nice and pleasant. Mostly romantic comedies, some musicals, a little noir and adventure. At the same time, I watch more straight drama than ever before, but generally only if it’s made before 1970. More and more, I’m finding that it’s not usually the subject matter that bores or repulses me, but the style. I find most dramas made in the past 50 or so years have too heavy a touch to really engage me. They come on too strong and I put up walls. I don’t let them in. You gotta sneak up on me. Wrap the pill in some bacon or something.

  10. Sorry for hijacking the thread. My intent was to do my little comedy bit and move on. I hope the people interested in this movie get what they want out of it.

  11. Majestyk: That’s cool. I liked that old comment because it articulated the value of choosing genre movies over serious dramas. I came of age in a culture that pressured one to do the opposite, so I appreciated your reasoning on that point.

    Definitely around 1970 was when Hollywood started to wear its social conscience on its sleeve, instead of weaving those themes more subtly within the conventions of a film noir / Western / musical / screwball comedy / etc. as they had done previously. So I get it.

  12. Aww, jeez. Now that I re-read it, I did come off as a jackass with the “insecurities” comment. Not my intent and is probably much closer to a dig at my own hang-ups. I apologize sincerely and appreciate your response.
    Side note: one of the best films I’ve seen over the last five years was randomly catching the original TAKING OF PELHAM 123 while at my mom’s. I truly miss the 70’s aesthetic and of all the “riffs” on era films, that’s the one that nobody can ever get right.

    Okay guys, I’m sorry for the heel turn, carry on.

  13. After all these decades on this websight it still amazes me how this seems to be one of the last places on the interweb where everybody remains civilized 99% of the time, even if a conversation gets heated and some comments become more personal.

  14. Sorry to interrupt the thread soul-searching and self-discovery (enjoyable as it is to read). I just want to say another great review, Vern, very thorough and thoughtful. It’s really not my bag either but your review is making me want to see this (you have done this several times now).

    The main comment I wanted to make was to flag and applaud your paragraph about protestors and young people being extreme. You hit the nuance nail right on the nuanced head with that piece of thinking and writing. Thank you.

  15. @CJ, 99 and 44/100% agree!

    (That’s a reference, sons)

    Also also, Maj, I think Vern did a pretty good job of wrapping this one in bacon. The trick is you gotta stick into the corner of your mouth so you can’t just spit it back out.

  16. Resident Clinton

    August 9th, 2025 at 9:28 am

    The Antifa gag irked me at first, but then I realized that they were so well funded and skilled that they were not exactly real but potentially mercenary hired by the corporation that is planning the data center (or maybe the financial advisor). Maybe a representation of how conspiracy theories become manifest when exploited by the powerful to create chaos and distrust. Or something. Also that plane reveal made me LOL.

    Anyways, I didn’t think I liked Eddington when I walked out of the theater but haven’t really stopped thinking about it. So, I think I DO like it – and definitely need to see it again. Though maybe at home with some breaks, since the slog of it is what put me off a bit on first watch. Definitely going to get the bluray for that very reason.

  17. Like Resident Clinton, I also figured the terrorist group as possible mercenaries working for Solidgoldmagikarp or Big Corporation in general; the logo on the plane was of a giant hand about to grip the globe, which looks about right for a service provided for corporations or governments looking to ramp up some of the ol’ ultraviolence in order to have justification for whatever bullshittery they might have in mind. (Or is that Solidgoldmagikarp’s logo?)

    I’m with Vern on this one; Aster’s made better, but this is still a solid one from him. I actually prefer this film to HEREDITARY, which I actually found kinda silly. But now that I’m well-acclimated to Aster’s alien atmosphere, I’ll give it another try in the near-future.

    I’ve seen Letterboxd reviews that bring up the “YOUR BEING MANIPULATED” sign, but I’m more partial to one that said something like “YOU WANT TO LIVE IN SAN FRANCISCO? I DIDN’T THINK SO”. My memory of what that sign actually read is fading from memory, but not the big laugh it got out of me.

  18. I’m amused to read Majestyk’s reticence regarding this movie, because I 100% get it. I’m not really at that point yet, but yeesh, did I loathe the experience of watching this film.

    I think Vern’s insights are on-point, and I think this is a typically great review that mines the movie for it’s subtle insights. And, from a perspective of craft, I thought this was yet another brilliant characterization from Joaquin Phoenix — if you’re a fan of him alone, then yes, this is absolutely worth seeing.

    I’ll try not to spoil, btw. Y’all should make up your own mind on this one.

    But the problem to me is sort of how, once we move into the third act, the movie exclusively begins to portray the story as happening through the eyes of this jerk sheriff. Basically, what unfolds is the validation that everything he believed, everything he feared, was true. It’s a little like Taxi Driver, where Travis Bickle suddenly does wash the streets clean and saves the prostitute from the pimp and her johns. Ironically, it more closely reminded me of “Obseve And Report”, about how this idiot indulges every idiot whim and is also super-capable enough to pull most of it off.

    SPOILERS But of course, at the end we’re at the mercy of these mega corporations, no matter which way our politics sway. That sort of doomer nihilism seems more of a product of the conspiratorial right than it does the left, so I’m uneasy with the suggestion that this is an equal-opportunity mockery hootenanny. There’s a comic point to be made about an Antifa militia, but I think putting an idea like that into the world, even as a joke, does far more harm than good. It feels irresponsible, and maybe that’s my age talking. But I’m not sure what age you have to be to recognize this as Social Media Feed: The Movie. END SPOILERS

    Also, what’s interesting for me is that I missed 2020 and the brief aftermath. I was locked up. I saw it all from a distance. I caught up with everything, but I was hoping this movie would teach me a little bit about how the world was at that moment. I feel like I learned nothing.

  19. Haven’t seen BEAU IS AFRAID, and I’m not sure if I’ll get to this one or not. I’ve been a vocal defender of HEREDITARY and MIDSOMMAR, and I’ve also defended anyone’s constitutional 29th amendment right to dislike them. Aster certainly didn’t build A24 or A24-core cinema, but I think he’s become its poster child, and in the years after MIDSOMMAR (a lot happened in those years!), I tired-to-soured on the sub-genre. I can still watch and enjoy these sorts of films (ODDITY and TALK TO ME were both good), but it’s more case-by-case and generally a tougher sell. And Aster seems to have pivoted out of horror, anyway, which makes him less interesting to me (if I’m going to be uncomfortable and anxious, at least give me some intersting horror mythology worldbuilding). Anyway, the general balance seems to have tilted toward respectable drama auteurism (Peele, Cregger, TALK TO ME guys, Aster, Perkins, SINNERS). It’s like if every horror movie in the 80s was either striving for the Oscar or trying to be out-Kubrick the SHINING in terms of cold, dour dread. SHINING is a top 5 favorite horror film, but I need my NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREETs, JASON Xes, HALLOWEEN KILLSes, and THANKSGIVINGS. Then again, I was always Guns n Roses >>> Nirvana, so, that’s my wavelength. Right now, dour (or down-right nihilistic), respectable, auteur-ish, and capital-S SERIOUS are de rigeur, and I’m a little over it. Hell, even SHINING had a “happy” (by the standards of, say, HEREDITARY) ending.

  20. I don’t know, all of the directors you mentioned have lots of humor in their movies, except Perkins, and I hear THE MONKEY tries to be funny. I don’t agree that dour is the preferred mode right now.

  21. I’m on your side, Skani. Vern is right that certain scenes in the movies mentioned may, in fact, be seen to contain trace elements of humor when viewed through a specially tuned microspectrometer, but it doesn’t change the overall impression of dour, dismal despair these films leave you with. Telling a few jokes on the way to the gallows deosn’t really lighten the mood that much, you know? You’re probably not coming away from the hanging thinking it was a gay romp. I don’t think there’s any question that the prevailing mood of the current horror vogue is downbeat, if not fully miserable.

    THE MONKEY is funny, though.

  22. I’m on your side, Skani. Vern is right that certain scenes in the movies mentioned may, in fact, be seen to contain trace elements of humor when viewed through a specially tuned microspectrometer, but it doesn’t change the overall impression of dour, dismal despair these films leave you with. Telling a few jokes on the way to the gallows deosn’t really lighten the mood that much, you know? You’re probably not coming away from the hanging thinking it was a gay romp. I don’t think there’s any question that the prevailing mood of the current horror vogue is downbeat, if not fully miserable.

    THE MONKEY is funny, though.

  23. I appreciate — and am not surprised in this case — to find you in my corner on this one, Maj. Thanks!

    Vern, it’s cool that people making good dramatic, auteur-ish horror movies are getting the critical love they deserve and generally being profitable to quite profitable. I think GET OUT had some legit humor. I thought the humor in NOPE and US was pretty limited. Those were not super dark. I would not call Peele A24-core, he’s adjacent at best. I would say that people were too quick to crown him the next great horror director, as I think his last two efforts he’s been a bit too high on his own supply (neither was bad, but I didn’t think either was great). SINNERS was half really good drama and half middling horror film. LONGLEGS had a great first act and a great Maika Monroe performance and then went downhill. MONKEY was funny at parts but was an odd kind of arthouse FINAL DESTINATION. Fine, okay. Still love HEREDITARY and MIDSOMMAR and ODDITY and TALK TO ME. Not really interested in BRING HER BACK. On record as not liking BARBARIAN. I liked THANKSGIVING, DROP, UNTIL DAWN, and CLOWN IN A CORNFIELD better than US, NOPE, MONKEY, LONGLEGS, SINNERS, and obviously BARBARIANS.

    I agree that Aster’s films have an ironic, black sense of humor about them, but I experience that as part of the overall jaded affectation and sensibility that Aster works out of. Perkins is similar, but more 8th-grade boy-ish.

    WEAPONS has me intrigued, and I enthusiastically recommend ODDITY.

  24. We agree on a lot of these, except I barely tolerated HEREDITARY (it did have one good laugh: the cut to the funeral), hated MIDSOMMAR, and absolutely loathed TALK TO ME. It had the audacity to be just as dreary as all the others, but without a single original bone in its body. I found it an utter chore to get through. I won’t be seeing anything else from that team.

    I did like BARBARIANS, though. It has a novelistic quality to its storytelling that breaks up the elevated horror’s tendency to slog forward slowly but unceasingly into doom. I’m curious about WEAPONS but I can’t get a handle on what kind of horror business we’re dealing with here and I’ve been burned too many times to go in blind.

  25. I never get how people say shit like “horror is all trying to be serious and win awards” when we just had Final Destination rebooted, Cocaine Bear was one of the more overhyped horror-type movies recently, the Terrifier movies exist, etc. There’s a big fat number of different horror that comes out every year. Go watch Heart Eyes, Clown in a Cornfield, Megan, Death of a Unicorn. Yeah Nosferatu was a dourmovie but The Substance also existed that year.

    I think of analogues to this type of movie in the 80s, and that makes me think of Cronenberg. And the most Cronenberg movie is Videodrome so I was curious about some of the big movies from that year. And you get The Dead Zone, The Keep, The Hunger..a bunch iof artsy farts. And then you got yer Cujo or your Sleepaway Camp if you want those. I don’t see a lot different really, Oddity to me is just like a classic haunted house movie like no one used to bitch about, like The Changeling.

  26. I don’t think you’re altogether wrong there, Muh. Note that I mentioned UNTIL DAWN and CLOWN IN A CORNFIELD and THANKSGIVING as the sort of mid-brow chum that is more my speed. I’ve been pleasantly surprised to see more of that “pop horror.” I like the dramatic horror, too, but I’m a little burnt out on it, is all.

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