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Kickboxer: Retaliation

I don’t know what I was expecting from KICKBOXER: RETALIATION, the new sequel to 2016’s KICKBOXER: VENGEANCE, which was a remake of the 1989 Cannon classic KICKBOXER. I waited for midnight Thursday to watch it on V.O.D. as soon as it became available, so clearly I was excited. But I didn’t think it was gonna be this good.

The original Kurt Sloane, played by Jean-Claude Van Damme, only made it to his part 2 in the form of a body double unceremoniously shot to death in an alley, leaving three sequels to a never-mentioned-before Sloane brother played by Sasha Mitchell. The remake Kurt Sloane, played by stuntman Alain Moussi, gets to stick around. A different Van Damme character, Sloane’s mentor Master Durand, does survive for the sequel and continues to be the heart and soul of the series.

I love when sequels open with the character we know suddenly in a whole different place and life situation. My go-to example is RAMBO III, where we find John living in a temple in Thailand, winning underground stick fights for money. But this is more like a TEMPLE OF DOOM opening because we find Kurt in a tux, sexy salsa dancing with his now-wife Liu (Sara Malakul Lane, Seagal’s daughter in BELLY OF THE BEAST) on a train at night. They get attacked and he has to slow-motion fight some people, including on top of the train in pouring rain as it crosses a bridge, until they all fall off.

Okay, so it turns out to be a dream, that’s too bad, but at least it kept us wondering what the hell was going on for several minutes and now will act as a prophecy throughout the story, giving Kurt hints about future events. In the waking world he lives in Vegas competing in a legit MMA league until some guys claiming to be FBI agents come to get him for the murder of Tong Po.

Of course the VENGEANCE of part 1 was winning the death match against the guy who killed his brother in the ring. Is there another sequel where the hero faces the legal consequences of having avenged a bad guy in part 1? The guys aren’t really feds but they do bring him to Thailand and dump him off in a prison where everybody loves Tong Po and knows this was the guy who killed him. He’ll have to stay there for life unless he agrees to fight a death match against the new champion Mongkut (Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, World’s Strongest Man contender and third guy to play “The Mountain” on Game of Thrones). Still, he says “Never again.”

RETALIATION follows in the VENGEANCE tradition of star-studded casting. Of course there are a bunch of MMA cameos (Wanderlei Silva, Frankie Edgar, Renzo Gracie, Renato Sobral, Fabricio Werdum) and Roy “Big Country” Nelson is an inmate who pretty much befriends Kurt on sight, warning him “They’re making a move on you” and trying to help him. But more importantly we find out that there’s a sleazy money man behind the death matches named Mr. Moore and he’s Christopher Lambert (FORTRESS 1-2, THE HUNTED, MORTAL KOMBAT, MEAN GUNS). His voice wavers a little now but he still has that accent and he wears suits, tempts people with money and women, smiles mischievously watching fights and sometimes picks up a sword.

I guess the big new name on the poster is Mike Tyson. But any time he’s in a movie he’s pretty much gonna be Mike Tyson, right? I mean, I’d like to see what happened if they put a wig on him or something, but that doesn’t happen here. I’d enjoyed him in IP MAN 3, but didn’t think it was exciting for him to be in another martial arts movie.

Wrong! As soon as his character Briggs shows up, turning around to fight Kurt because “You interrupted my meditation!”, he is a joy. They get a long, seemingly super-powered prison fight where his fists hammer our kickboxer in many painful ways. He manages to dodge many, causing those beasts to bust through wood, bricks, a steam pipe. The guards break up the fight, cut to the two of them strapped to crucifixes getting whipped, Sloane screaming and Briggs just looking at him. After that they are allies. Briggs becomes his trainer for punching and pain avoidance.

It’s a slick, well-put-together movie with beautiful photography and locations, but I enjoy that there are some maybe-unintentionally-odd bits of storytelling here and there. For example, immediately after he seems to have a new mentor in Briggs, we learn that his original mentor Durand is also in the prison as an accessory to the murder of Tong Po. And then Durand immediately reveals that “Mr. Moore blinded me” but it’s okay because now he can tap into his senses in a different way and predict people’s movements before they happen. It’s exactly the type of mystical bullshit I love to see somebody learn through a series of training montages, which is in fact what we will get here – he will practice with all these teachers, swing around upside down on a rope kicking targets, pose in a high kick wearing only shorts standing on top of a big rock next to the water, etc.

Durand wants to “see” Kurt’s opponent Mongkut, and since he’s blind they don’t think it’s a problem. They take him to the mad scientist lab where this 6′ 10″ “superior human specimen” who has killed over 20 opponents in the ring sits in a chair tuning a guitar while they shoot him up with an “adrenaline cocktail.” Then he lifts two monster truck wheels attached to a barbell.

“This is not the martial art way,” laments Durand. “It’s not the truth.” I love it. He warns Kurt that this guy is “four times Tong Po.”

Mongkut doesn’t have 1/4 the personality of Dave Bautista’s Tong Po, but he’s a good one-dimensional monster. He easily picks Kurt up by the neck and slams him against a wall or punts him like a football. He also puts Kurt’s wife in a coma with one errant swing, and shows zero remorse. I do really wonder about the guitar, though. It’s nice if he has an interest in music.

I have exactly one significant complaint about the movie. It’s tempting to call it ACPs (Action Comprehensibility Problems), but that’s not precisely it. I can follow the action, it’s just that there are a few parts where harsh edits or close-quarters handheld camerawork literally made me dizzy. Hopefully it won’t happen to everybody, because there is some great stuff in here and visible elbow grease put toward one-upping the action sequences from part VENGEANCE. Most significantly there are two long takes following him as he progresses through a series of opponents, each set to a song. The first one is his introduction to the general population at the prison and has him going down a hallway and swinging through some bars and strutting off with the remaining prisoners having seen enough to back down. The other is in public on a walkway – it begins with him eyeing each of the objects he will use as weapons and ends with a chase that involves two modes of transportation, one by land, one by sea. There’s alot of ramping to slo-mo in a way that glorifies him much like John Woo did to Chance Boudreaux.

Moussi is credited as fight coordinator along with fight/stunt coordinator Jean-Francois Lachapelle, who was the stunt coordinator for the Oscar-winning movie ROOM (!?). They must know each other from the stuntman days because they overlap on WHITE HOUSE DOWN, BRICK MANSIONS, X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST/APOCALYPSE, WARCRAFT, SUICIDE SQUAD and several others. I think they’ve done a great job.

Admittedly, I like the character of Kurt Sloane more for his physicality in these scenes than his personality. That said, they give him a bunch of good smartass lines in this one, and a scene where he tells the guards to call the prison doctor and predicts the specific injuries he’s about to give his attackers. Reminds me of Clint ordering the coffins in A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS.

Part 1 was directed by John Stockwell (TURISTAS, IN THE BLOOD) – I didn’t know if I should be nervous about screenwriter Dimitri Logothetis also taking on the director chair for the sequel, but honestly I think he’s taken what Stockwell established and built something more interesting on top of it.

Once again we have a movie with about ten or twenty times as much kicking as most movies that have any kicking. And there is also a whole lot of dodging. And some superman punches. And other.

It’s a prison movie and a fighting circuit movie, but it’s not confined to either of those things. Tyson comes off like a wise monk in a period kung fu movie, while Van Damme does one of his unpredictable character-actor performances – you never know when he’s going to say “You have to start to train” after multiple training montages, or “I hate violence, I need to go to the bathroom,” at the beginning of a big match.Van Damme also gets to spar a little with Tyson and sword fight with Lambert. And there’s a part where Mr. Moore’s bikini-clad companions seem like they’re trying to seduce Kurt, but then they attack him and run into the dark and their lipstick and tattoos glow in the black light. And some other crazy shit I won’t give away. I really liked this movie.

Thankfully another is already planned. IMDb calls it KICKBOXER: ARMAGEDDON, while Wikipedia calls it KICKBOXER: THE SYNDICATE, and “the third and final in the trilogy.” Now come on guys, let’s not be so hasty. AVATAR is doing three sequels. The original KICKBOXER had four. Let’s keep our minds open about how long this thing can continue. The world may be a flaming bag of shit right now, but that doesn’t mean we don’t deserve an ongoing KICKBOXER series to always be looking forward to. Please, we need this.

VERN has been reviewing movies since 1999 and is the author of the books SEAGALOGY: A STUDY OF THE ASS-KICKING FILMS OF STEVEN SEAGAL, YIPPEE KI-YAY MOVIEGOER!: WRITINGS ON BRUCE WILLIS, BADASS CINEMA AND OTHER IMPORTANT TOPICS and NIKETOWN: A NOVEL. His horror-action novel WORM ON A HOOK will arrive later this year.
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41 Responses to “Kickboxer: Retaliation”

  1. I have to admit my heart sank a little to read Tyson described as “a joy”. I really don’t get why he gets a pass these days.

  2. I really liked this one too. When I saw VENGEANCE I didn’t really like but enjoyed it more on a re-watch but this one out-does that one in seemingly every possible way. More involving story/drama, better action, and more style. If anything this movie gives us a sword fight between a Time Cop Person and an Immortal.

    Only bummer was that VENGEANCE shockingly played in theaters down here while this one did not. I think I would have broken my solo-theater boycott to see this one.

  3. Seeing this in theaters this week. Nice to hear Mike Tyson is a delight.

  4. Kev: Because he went to jail, served his time, and has not been accused of anything else since? You know, the way our prison system is supposed to work? If you can’t allow that people have the ability to redeem themselves, I don’t know why you watch movies in the first place, because that’s what every single one of them is about.

  5. What exactly IS the deal with Mike Tyson? Every time I try to do some research, I first stumble across “he is a convcted rapist” stories, followed by “he spent time in jail based on a case that wasn’t clear and it seems like he was innocent” stories.

    Is he the black Woody Allen or is he a rape culture posterboy? Anybody of you trustworthy people can clear this up for me?

  6. He was violent during his champ days. But i think he’s genuinely repentant now.

  7. Yeah, he definitely did some shit even outside of the rape charge that were repugnant. But that was like 30 years ago and as far as I know nobody’s said anything negative about him since then. I’m all for writing some people off if they just don’t get it and never will but unless we’re willing to banish or execute every abuser then this is the thing we should all be hoping for: an abusive man who saw the error of his ways and changed. Mike Tyson means nothing to me but I think showing forgiveness when there’s real repentance, especially when punishment has already been meted out, is the only way forward for our society.

  8. Anyone saw Sly’s GRUDGE MATCH? Tyson and Hollyfield have cameos in it. They seem to have made up and gently make a joke about the “Ear Biting” thing.

  9. I agree with Majestyk, but I also understand if Kev isn’t going to forgive him enough to like me calling him “a joy.” His character was enjoyable to me in this movie. If you don’t think he should be in movies he will be a distraction.

  10. You can’t compare Tyson to Woody because Woody is a creepy piece of talented garbage that hasnt answered to anything for the shitty things he has done where Tyson did his time yadda yadda yadda.

  11. The Undefeated Gaul

    January 29th, 2018 at 10:56 pm

    Btw, Dutch fighter Rico Verhoeven is in this as well, he’s the champ Kurt has to take on in the bar. He tried out for the part of Drago Jr as well and posted a pic of himself with Sly but obviously didnt get it. Seems like he has a decent look and presence about him though.

  12. Sternsheim, until further notice, I’m in the leave-Woody-alone camp. Marrying the adopted, previously estranged daughter of his wife was creepy, but legal and the child rape accusations were not just investigated decades ago (note that we are still talking about the same accusations here and not any new ones, that might have resurfaced over the years), but they also came to the conclusion that nothing happened, except that Mia Farrow might have told their kids to tell everybody they got molested, until one of them started to believe it, which is also a story that is backed up by one of Allen’s alleged victims.

    Knowing that brainwashing their kids is totally a thing that mothers do in a divorce battle (although my mother never made up rape stories), that a fucking police investigation against the most jewish Jew in Hollywood (which most likely means they were really looking hard for a reason to lock him up) came up with negative results, one of his “victims” instead accuses his mother of brainwashing their kids and that he so far hasn’t made headlines with any other scandal in decades (And I’m sure that some reporters would kill for even something innocent like “Woody Allen walks out of strip club”), makes me believe that Woody Allen is most likely innocent. Come on, even in today’s #MeToo climate NOBODY ELSE came forward to say: “That tiny man, who isn’t as much of a Hollywood powerhouse as he used to be, so I don’t think I would have to fear a career suicide, raped me”. That doesn’t even makes you raise an eyebrow?

    Now I’m 100% prepared to give him the full Polanski/Cosby treatment as soon as we learn something new, but for now, he is just a guy who found love in a really fucking weird and uncomfortable, yet apparently 100% legal and maybe even not-as-creepy-as-it-seems-for-us-outsiders place.

    (Also I’m not sure if you were sarcastic and basically on my side, because I’m not fully awake yet.)

  13. CJ, I think we have to consider that a lot of people will hold back until he is dead because he’s “such a great artist”. Things are starting to surface about Ingmar Bergman now, and you know deep down that most of these old (and young) womanizers will follow soon. In my youth guys started bands to meet girls, but it seems all famous men have been wanting fame just to get close to women.

  14. @Vern, I appreciate you being able to see where I’m coming from.

    @Majestyk, Tyson may be redeemed in your eyes but not in mine and that’s fine. However, whether or not he served his time I’m under no obligation to personally forgive the man for his crime.

  15. pegsman, but again, we are talking Woody Allen here, who, and I say that as a fan, hasn’t really been relevant since the early 90s, despite making a movie, that wins a few awards every few years, but is already forgotten a few months later. And a shit ton of actors are suddenly willing to donate the money they made with starring in one of their movies, but hold back any career ending, yet jailtime starting stories that they might have about him? They all unite to bring down one of the most powerful Hollywood producers, but somehow stay quiet about a arthouse dramedy director, who is only able to make a movie a year, because they cost almost nothing to make and he is able to work with the same producers all the time?

    Like I said, when new shit about him surfaces, I won’t close my eyes and ears while yelling “LALALALALALALA THIS ISN’T HAPPENING EVERYTHING IS FINE!”, but for now he seems to me like the prime example of how accusation can follow a man around, even when proven innocent.

  16. Kev: I was actually gonna add that. Everyone has to draw their own line.

  17. CJ: Come on, man. Abuse charges without physical damage or evidence are incredibly hard to prove at the best of times but against a famous millionaire? In America, where rape culture is practically the law? He groomed his stepdaughter since she was 12. His other kids think he’s a monster. Most of his movies are creepy as fuck apologies for gross older men fucking much, much younger women. His own personal library that he donated contained a notebook full of disgusting underage girl fantasies. How much smoke do you need before maybe you might consider the idea that there might be some fire?

  18. Vern, this is how I know you’re my fave cinemafilm reviewist. I regularly read and look forward to your thoughts and words on movies I have no interest in and won’t ever see but still enjoy them by proxy of how much you enjoy them. And there’s almost always one little bit to takeaway that will give me a good chuckle throughout the day. Reading “Part Vengeance” did that this morning and is how I’m referring to all sequels from now on. “Terminator: Part Judgement Day,” “First Blood: Part Rambo,” “Alien: Part S,” and so on…

  19. I know I just said everybody needs to make up their own mind. And I’m not even saying you can’t still like Woody Allen movies if for some reason you still like Woody Allen movies. But people cling to the idea that the investigation found no wrongdoing, when what it found was no ACTIONABLE wrongdoing and lots and lots and lots and lots of red flags.

    There’s also the fact that you are continuing to call Ronan and Dylan liars. These are not brainwashed children. One’s the journalist who devoted his life to bringing famous predators down and actually fucking accomplished it. You think the motivating factor of his whole mission in life was based on some bullshit his mommy told him when he was little to get back at his daddy? That sounds like the simplest, most direct explanation for all this?

    I don’t know, man. Give it some thought, I guess.

  20. Let’s try that again:

    10 Undeniable Facts About the Woody Allen Sexual-Abuse Allegation

    Maureen Orth responds to the columns that have been published in the wake of Dylan Farrow's public allegations.

  21. On a lighter note, I think it’s awesome how excited black Americans are for Black Panther. I think there is a lot of hyperbole in the reviews but I legit think it’s still going to be special. I’m also so happy to get back to Earth after the last few in space.

  22. Again, I’m done with Allen as soon as there is new proof, but also like I said:

    – One of his alleged victims backed up the story of Mia Farrow brainwashing their kids (Which is coincidentally also when Mia Farrow stopped telling the story that he was molested too)

    – I’m not saying she is lying, but have you ever remembered something completely wrong? I had my fair share of “Wait, a second, that’s what REALLY happened!?” experiences, that went far deeper than “I was wearing a red shirt. No, yellow.”

    – I know from first hand experience how mothers train their kids to believe the wildest stories in a divorce battle (I point out again: None of the shit my mother told us had to do with shit that would put him behind bars and give us psychological scars, but man, it got ugly.)

    – Even back then Woody Allen was too much of a niche celebrity and also more or less a superjew, straight out of an “edgy” stand up comedian’s program about how all stereotypes are actually real and it’s okay to racist and anti-semitic. I doubt that there was ever a time when “Do you know who I am?” would get him out of a speeding ticket, not to mention full blown child rape charges in Judge Whitey’s law system.

    I don’t have any personal associations with Allen, other than really liking some of his movies, or a bone to pick with Mia Farrow. I’m usually team victim, because I know how this world works. Still, the Woody Allen case has too many things that make me go: “Wait…hmmm…I don’t think that’s right” and despite team victim, I also know that women aren’t saints and can do too many fucked up things. (Again: First hand experience here!)

    You said yourself: “Abuse charges without physical damage or evidence are incredibly hard to prove at the best of times but against a famous millionaire?”, which also can be used against Mia Farrow (brainwashing kids is abuse without physical damage and she was a pretty famous actress back in the days).

    This is not a Cosby/Weinstein/Polanski case IMO, where it’s really clear what happened and we should also talk more about Mia Farrow’s participation in that story, that’s all I’m saying.

    Anyway, before someone starts a discussion about John Landis and Helicopters, let’s go back to KICKBOXER. (Because seriously, I feel bad for turning the comments to THAT topic again, when Vern just tried to tell us about this awesome, new DTV joint, that most of us will most likely really enjoy.)

  23. I would just like to take a moment to point out that KICKBOXTER: RETALIATION sports an impressive 100% RT top critics rating, officially making it the LADY BIRD of KICKBOXER movies.

  24. Raygabriel64 – I like FIRST BLOOD: PART RAMBO. Although with that series that could sound like part 2 (it’s part 4).

  25. Love how a KICKBOXER review ends up being mostly about Woody Allen…

  26. How would a Woody Allen-directed Kickboxer movie turn out? Not as awesome as this one I bet.

  27. So the Farrows keep bringing it up decades later for what reason? Fun? Profit? Spite? What? What is the motive for continuing to hold firm to every single accusation all these decades later? That’s some pretty fucking effective brainwashing right there. Mia must be some kind of voodoo sorceress for that shit to take like that. Woody must have been afraid she was going to turn him into a newt, and that’s why he divorced her.

    And then there’s this:

    “Dylan’s claim of abuse was consistent with the testimony of three adults who were present that day. On the day of the alleged assault, a babysitter of a friend told police and gave sworn testimony that Allen and Dylan went missing for 15 or 20 minutes, while she was at the house. Another babysitter told police and also swore in court that on that same day, she saw Allen with his head on Dylan’s lap facing her body, while Dylan sat on a couch “staring vacantly in the direction of a television set.” A French tutor for the family told police and testified that that day she found Dylan was not wearing underpants under her sundress. The first babysitter also testified she did not tell Farrow that Allen and Dylan had gone missing until after Dylan made her statements. These sworn accounts contradict Moses Farrow’s recollection of that day in People magazine.”

    I guess Mia put the whammy on them too.

    “legal and the child rape accusations were not just investigated decades ago (note that we are still talking about the same accusations here and not any new ones, that might have resurfaced over the years), but they also came to the conclusion that nothing happened”

    That is not what happened AT ALL. Nobody on the investigation thought he was clean. NOBODY. The judge said his behavior toward his daughter was “grossly inappropriate and that measures must be taken to protect her.” The prosecutor has said they had enough to charge him but he was unwilling to put Dylan on the stand, and without her testimony, the case would fail. That’s hardly “nothing happened.”

    The investigation did, however, find that “nothing happened” in terms of the brainwashing that Woody and his lawyers cooked up as their only viable defense. The only report that supported that theory was not accepted by anybody on the case (The doctor never even met with Dylan OR Mia and subsequently recanted the conclusion of his own report) and, hey, also it mysteriously disappeared. But because Woody unethically leaked it to the press, that became the dominant story, because bitches be crazy, right?

    As to your other points: Moses wasn’t even there when the abuse room place and his claims are not consistent with the other witness so his defense of his father is irrelevant.

    And I live in Connecticut, where the investigation happened, so don’t tell me that the rampant anti-Semitism here was a factor like you know what you’re talking about. Wealth is the only religion in Connecticut.

    I don’t know why Woody Allen inspires such blind devotion in people who claim to not even like his movies. I once accepted the “bitches be crazy” explanation at face value, but then I felt bad about not believing the victim and did my research. There’s so much shit out there that shows him to be a world-class creep, just an astonishingly gross individual who does shit that none of us would accept in our daily lives (How fast would you cut off a friend who married his [in all but name] stepdaughter? Pretty fucking fast in my opinion) but some people have heard that women lie for no reason sometimes so I guess that balances the scales. A whole bunch of testimonial and expert opinions mean nothing in the face of anecdotal bullshit like that.

    So yeah, believe whatever you want. But nobody in the whole world needs to hear you defend Woody Allen. He’s not the underdog in this story and he does not need your help. You are not being the voice of reason. You are echoing the dominant voice of a culture that will take the word of a man over a mountain of evidence as long as that evidence came from a woman.

  28. Oh, and CJ, I hope there’s no hard feelings about this. I’m arguing real hard here because taking prisoners is not really my style but I got nothing against you. I hope we’re still pals.

  29. Majestyk, on this at least we can absolutely agree. Fuck Woody Allen. Thank you for that link by the way, I hadn’t read half of that stuff before.

  30. Any confirmation that Tyson will be in the next Kickboxer film?

  31. Kev: I’m like fuck all these guys, because they’re all still walking around free and clear and denying any wrongdoing. That’s why I feel like Tyson is the best-case scenario: He got caught, he got punished, he got rehabilitated, and it took. If that’s what happened to all abusers, the world would be in pretty good shape.

  32. It makes it a lot easier when the person in question is someone you don’t care too much about. My fear is that down the line there’s someone I really like.

  33. Don’t worry, Mr M, you still haven’t managed to make me hate you. I said it many times before, but I like how we can have more or less heated discussions here, that still end up civilized and in the action movie tradition of “You kicked my ass in a fair fight, so let’s have a beer and fight side by side next time”.

    But honestly, recently every time I start one of those discussions or get dragged into one on here, I feel really guilty. Vern gives us this platform to talk about more or less random shit and he only steps in when shit gets really nasty, which of course rarely happens (Thank god “fishman love story” isn’t a mainstream genre yet), but sometimes it feels like coming to a friend’s house and ruining the let’s-watch-this-cool-movie party, by screaming at each other over something we’ve heard on the news.

  34. Usually when Vern writes about a brand spanking new movie, only some of us will have seen it. And then it’s easy to pick up on something in his text that we know a little about.

  35. CJ: That’s exactly it. Also, I feel that giving any of you regulars anything less than my full strength would be a show of disrespect. I know you can take it.

    As for KICKBOXER PART R-WORD, I will see it as soon as I can (I don’t even know how to VOD) despite not remembering a single thing about the last one except for a vague memory of Van Damme wearing a funny hat. There’s something about the recent crop of DTV action where they deliver the goods, I enjoy myself thoroughly, but they go in one ear and out the other. Too slick and generic maybe? I don’t know. But I guess it’s not so bad, because then the next time I watch them, it feels like the first time.

  36. After reading these comments and a few articles about the facts of the Woody Allen case as well as the complete judge’s ruling in the custody hearing the only fact I can now say I know for sure is that I would totally watch a Woody Allen KICKBOXER movie. And I suspect I’d enjoy it more than VENGEANCE and RETALIATION, both of which I found pretty forgettable story-wise. Though I did like the long take prison fight and the final fight in this one quite a bit.

    (I feel like I should note that Mr. Majestyk’s assertion that Allen groomed Soon-Yi from the age of 12 is not borne out by the judge’s custody ruling which states he had almost no contact with her until she asked to go to a Knicks game with him when she was 18 or 20.)

  37. I already posted my thoughts on the previous Kickboxer review but I agree with Kev 100%. OK, he went to prison, and it’s great that he hasn’t raped or beaten any women recently, but I don’t enjoy seeing him in movies, especially when he is playing up this “lovable goofball with a bad temper” schtick.

    Anyway, I liked the last Kickboxer a lot more than I expected so I guess I will watch this but I will complain loudly to my wife and/or dog about Mike Tyson being in it.

  38. Long take fight? Sold. If anybody here ever makes a movie and you want to guarantee you that I see it then put in a long take. I love those so much.

  39. Sorry to drag the spotlight off Woody Allen and back onto Mike Tyson again … but has he actually shown genuine repentance? I know he’s shown regret for some past behaviour (e.g. biting Holyfield’s ear), but doesn’t he still maintain that Robin Givens was a gold digger and Desiree Washington a liar? Even having done his time, given the nature of the crime I find it hard to feel joy when he turns up in a movie. It really puzzles me why he’s been welcomed back so readily. I mean, give him his space and so on, but for producers to actually go out of their way to cast him in comedies and stuff … I don’t get it.

    As for the movie at hand, I’ll watch this when I get the chance. I hope it’ll be a smoother experience than VENGEANCE. I went into the first movie with a lot of goodwill and while its heart was clearly in the right place, to me it just felt a bit too amateurish and choppy to be fully enjoyable. It was a fun time, but definitely would have benefitted from a bit of polish.

  40. Just watched this one and liked it a lot.

    I hope Mike Tyson and Christopher Lambert are in PART THE SYNDICATE or whatever!!

    Lambert was pretty great in this.

    Oh, when Moussi was fighting Tyson, it really felt like Little Joe fighting Tyson in the video game!! Same size difference, same hair… and then a minute or so later, Moussi is running, chasing after Van Damme on a motorcycle…which was the between levels animation on the original PUNCH OUT. Hmmmmm….

  41. Can’t find this on demand anywhere but they’re offering me 2 different versions of JUSTICE LEAGUE to see. Terrible!

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