"CATCH YOU FUCKERS AT A BAD TIME?"

Walking and Talking

July 17, 1996

WALKING AND TALKING is the debut film from writer/director Nicole Holofcener (the warden in MI VIDA LOCA). Like the last movie I reviewed, DON’T LOOK BACK, it opens with its protagonists as little kid best friends, but this is a much more female perspective of the world, so instead of establishing their life long friendship with playing swords and becoming blood brothers the two girls are sneaking a peek at The Joy of Sex, giggling and calling it disgusting. Unspecified years later they’re still best friends, but at different places in their other relationships, which will create a strain.

Amelia (Catherine Keener, SURVIVAL QUEST) is the most outwardly messy of the pair. A while back she broke up with Andrew (Liev Schreiber right before SCREAM; this was released by Miramax, and they were really pushing him as their new product at the time). They’re still friends and co-workers, they even grocery shop together, but I don’t know, the smile she gives after telling her therapist (Joseph Siravo, CARLITO’S WAY) she’s totally over him made me think she’s really not. Either way, things fall apart when she finds out Laura (Anne Heche, MILK MONEY) got engaged to Frank (Todd Field, EYE OF THE EAGLE 2: INSIDE THE ENEMY). I mean they seem to have been together forever, they already live together, they’re all close and it’s great. But making it official like that makes Amelia panic. And right after she decided to quit therapy.

One of her responses is to lower her threshold for dating, specifically by finally saying yes to Bill (Kevin Corrigan, ONE GOOD COP), the clerk at the indie video store who always asks her out. She says he’s ugly, but ends up having sex with him and being into him. I’ve read that Holofcener worked at a video store after film school, but I’m sorry to report that the movie does not seem to consider Bill (a Fangoria subscriber) to be a catch. He’s nice but not the most advanced in social skills and doesn’t seem to recognize that she’s too much of a normie for the exploitation shit he’s pushing on her. In his defense, when he waxes poetic about BASKET CASE props at what she calls “the weirdo convention” he might be intentionally playing down his level of nerd-dom by not specifying the sequel number or going into how low budget the first one was or anything like that.

Laura doesn’t have a therapist, she is one, but she’s not as put together as Amelia assumes. She does seem to love Frank and they “match each other’s freak” as they say now, because he proposes to her while she’s watching him pee? And puts the ring in her diaphragm case. And doesn’t wash his hands. She seems okay with all that and doesn’t say otherwise but starts to worry about her sexual attraction to other men, including one of her patients. Is that bad, she wonders? And suddenly she’s fighting with Frank over stupid shit. She’s as scared as Amelia.

Keener was actually about 10 years older than Heche, but it seems like maybe they’re both supposed to be in their twenties? It doesn’t matter. It works.

It’s far from a high concept movie, or a tight narrative. Just a musing on friendship, sex and love and the ways people prioritize one over the others, or let them get in the way of each other. So it mostly comes down to these actors being good and charismatic, feeling relatable, giving us a few laughs. It’s a low key movie, but a pretty good one. My wife wondered if Amelia was “supposed to be awful,” but what I like about this is that I find both of the friends likable while also fucked up in certain ways. Like any of us. I guess as I get older I see something very humane about movies loving characters despite all their mistakes and issues. I feel seen as a person to see flawed characters even though they’re not usually the same flaws I have.

Holofcener’s mom was a set decorator and her stepfather Charles H. Joffe produced Woody Allen’s movies for 40 years, so she ended up being an extra, a p.a. and an apprentice editor on some of them. But she didn’t want to be a director until she saw Jim Jarmusch’s STRANGER THAN PARADISE. This seems more influenced by the other guy, what with these New Yorkers and their relationships and everything, but centering on emotional women instead of intellectual men makes a huge difference. To me it’s more appealing.

Everybody’s good in this, but it’s especially a good showcase for Keener. She was nominated for an Independent Spirit Award for Best Female Lead, but I guess we can’t call this her breakthrough, because she’d already been nominated for JOHNNY SUEDE. Still, this was a well reviewed movie that helped all of the leads get more work and quickly become well known, and it started a long collaboration for Keener and Holofcener.

Holofcener didn’t get another movie made for five years (LOVELY AND AMAZING, also starring Keener), but in the gap had plenty of work directing Sex and the City and Six Feet Under and stuff. In the decades since she’s had six more features as a writer/director and also has writing credits on THE LAST DUEL and CAN YOU EVER FORGIVE ME?, which she got an Oscar nomination for (and won WGA and Independent Spirit awards). So she’s still going strong.

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Slam Evil Summer connections: Field was a storm chaser in TWISTER, Corrigan had a bit part in THE PALLBEARER, as one of the other pallbearers.

‘90s shit: Of course having an important plot point about overhearing an answering machine message could only happen in a certain window of time. And it’s nice now to see video stores documented in movies. This is a small one. I noticed multiple copies of DUMB AND DUMBER, an adult section that’s not cordoned off, and a whole row of Something Weird videos.

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12 Responses to “Walking and Talking”

  1. Tell me more about this ugly nerd named Bill who sucks.

  2. I am incapable of allowing a video store scene to go by without freezeframing to see how many covers I recognize and to criticize the organizational system. You can always tell when it’s a real functioning video store and when the shelves had to be restocked with whatever titles production could get the rights to. The former will make sense and the latter will be all over the place. You’ll often see multiple copies of the same movie in different locations. This was particularly prominent in BE KIND REWIND, but that could have been explained by the characters being bad at their jobs. FREAKY TALES couldn’t have been using an actual location (unless there are still VHS-only video stores in Oakland in the 2020s) but they did a pretty good job of keeping the sections alphabetized and sticking to the right genre. Still, some joker snuck in a copy of CONGO into a movie set in the eighties. I hope somebody got fired for that blunder.

  3. Fantastic one-two punch of reading about the ugly nerd with poor social skills and then seeing a picture of Kevin Corrigan looking like my 1998-2001 doppelganger.

  4. Vern and Majestyk (and anyone else with similar interest in the subject), I heartily recommend Alex Ross Perry’s documentary / essay film VIDEOHEAVEN, which is a commentary-filled compilation of video store scenes in movies from the 1980s to the present. It took him about 10 years to compile and includes almost every single movie he could find that showed a video store (whether a real one or a set).

    And yes, WALKING AND TALKING and BE KIND REWIND are both covered at length. (I don’t think FREAKY TALES was in there, that one might have been too recent.)

    The last time I checked, the only place streaming it is the Criterion Channel, but I think it’s worth the free trial for that alone.

  5. Maj, in Red Dragon one of the murdered families has a Mrs. Doubtfire vhs. That came out theatrical in 1993 and would’ve been on video in 1994. Long after The Silence of the Lambs. The sort of detail a production designer should’ve caught (not even a Universal movie. It was Fox!)

  6. I’m trying to remember if my video stores were sorted after anything beyond “new releases” and genre. Sometimes I’m not even sure about the genre either.

  7. In the early to mid 80s I usually had to visit 5-6 video stores to get what I wanted for the evening. This was mostly due to the fact that we had a video player in our house several years before the first rental stores turned up, and our tapes came from a friend in England who recorded all the movies on TV for us. So by the time we were able to rent our entertainment, we had seen “it all”. And in these 5-6 stores only one of them had sections. And none of them had a “new releases” shelf. So it’s safe to say me and my brother has spent years of our lives in video stores, trying to find the next nugget. I can still smell the plastic boxes…

  8. Fred, do you think maybe the Mrs. Doubtfire tape was there for thematic reasons, rather than setting verisimilitude ones? Slipping a reference to Mrs. Doubtfire into a scene about the destruction of the family unit seems apt. And, as with Daniel Hillard/Eupheginia Doubtfire, Red Dragon is about Francis Dolarhyde, seemingly normal man, and The Great Red Dragon, a personality he assumes to accomplish what he feels he must. It’s also bit of a knowing wink to the audience, as Ralph Fiennes is in both movies (in Red Dragon, he’s Dolarhyde, in Doubtfire, he’s Natalie, Robin Williams’ 5-year-old daughter). As much as some of this may feel like reaching, I’ve learned to never underestimate Brett Ratner.

    Ugh, writing that last sentence made me feel gross. Anyway, Walking and Talking is great, and it’s nice to see Todd Field and Anne Heche. For completely different reasons, you didn’t see either of them having significant roles in too many good movies. Weirdly, they both did their best acting work in Nicole Kidman films. As much as I like this one, I think Nicole Holofcener’s only gotten better, with You Hurt My Feelings being pretty amazing. It’s good ass “complex adults dealing with complex adult problems” stuff. She was already doing that here, but you watch You Hurt My Feelings and realize Holofcener’s actually matured. So many people who make movies like this seem to lock in to one perspective and spend their careers repeating it or interrogating it from different angles. It feels like Holofcener’s kept her eyes open and continued to engage with the world as an evolving person. It’s the difference between Richard Linklater, Julie Delpy and Ethan Hawke changing over the course of the Before trilogy and Woody Allen writing 50 versions of Woody Allen. There are directors I love who’ve stayed in pretty much the same place– Noah Baumbach’s Kicking and Screaming characters aren’t that far off from his Marriage Story ones– but damn do I appreciate somebody on a journey.

  9. watching frederick wiseman’s three-hour-long documentary Ex Libris tonight, about new york’s public library system, was a great antidote for having last week sat through alex ross perry’s three-hour-long documentary about film and tv’s portrayals of video rental stores. the latter was a good provocation but i can’t imagine it holding much appeal if you still have an active video store nearby (i don’t).

    most of holofcener’s films, including the subject of this review, would probably be too much for me to revisit right now but Lovely and Amazing is one of the early-2000s films that got hammered in my head through repeats on ifc or reelz 25 years ago and this turned out to be the right time to see it again. i watched both films on kanopy, who partially produced the wiseman documentary and have several more of his available

  10. @so-and-so: Oh man, Holofcener, specifically Lovely and Amazing, is there for me, too. Other early 2000s IFC hits include Ghost World, Tape, Y Tu Mama Tambien, Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and a documentary on road movies with narrative bits starring Paul Rudd and Tom McCarthy called “Wanderlust” that took me like ten minutes just now to confirm exists. “Movies IFC Played On A Near-Loop” is a genre, for sure.

  11. along those lines, by this point ifc exists in my memory as a network that played larry fessenden’s Habit on a 24/7 loop with other films occasionally interrupting. the ross perry documentary didn’t put too fine a point on it but the mid-2000s era of direct market dvd sales and unrated edits of apatow-produced comedies really seemed to trickle down to american indie films of the time, generally pushing them into much broader, sillier lanes. it looks like the paul rudd/tom mccarthy road trip documentary is from 2006, made by the directors of american splendor, and the one screenshot on imdb tells me that netflix co-financed it so it seems like a time capsule worth checking out, in part because i’m curious whether something like that would have served mostly as a data aggregate for a netflix that wasn’t yet entirely driven by ceaseless analytics

  12. Oh, interesting about Wanderlust being a Netflix production. I’d assumed it was an in-house IFC thing. Now that you mention that, it seems like a perfect idea for your movie rental service: make a documentary pointing people toward other movies they might be interested in renting. The Z Channel documentary was another early 2000s IFC constant and I absolutely used that as a guide for things to check out. Now Criterion’s Adventures in Moviegoing is doing that and Netflix couldn’t care less about shining a light on their deeper cuts.

    Wanderlust is definitely a fun time capsule, if not a great movie. Dennis Hopper holds a huge cigar and stares into nowhere as he praises French cinematographers, that sort of thing.

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