VERN Watches ON DEADLY GROUND With MR. SHOW At The Olympia Film Festival!!


Hey, everyone. “Moriarty” here with some Rumblings From The Lab.

Wow. Bob and David are everywhere right now, and it sounds like they’re having a great time. I still don’t know if I’m going to be able to get into the insane benefit show they’re part of in a few weeks, and I missed this. Still, if we had to have anyone cover it for us, thank god Vern was the one who went. You’ll see why when you read this…


I know how you feel about film festivals. You’re for them, right? I think one of you said you were. I’ve seen a couple good pictures at the Seattle International Film Festival but that’s about it for me. Until today, when I decided to venture south to the Olympia Film Festival. And I’m real glad I did.

Usually I avoid Olympia. I know it’s our state capital, it once had a fine brewery and they got lots of college kids who brag because the rock band Sleater-Kinney was named after a street they still have near there. But I mean come on. The street isn’t even that good. In the downtown area the buildings are too far apart, and everything is closed. At least on Sunday. Anyway today they finally got a reason for me to go there: ON DEADLY GROUND.

On Deadly GroundNow if you know me, you know I wasn’t gonna miss ON DEADLY GROUND showing in a film festival, even if it was on the other side of the god damn planet. ON DEADLY GROUND is a unique specimen among ’90s action movies, with an admirable spirit of cornball politics you don’t usually see anymore, if you ever did. I think of it as a loose remake of BILLY JACK, transported to an oil rig in Alaska, and without all the hippie girls strumming guitars. The protagonist, Forrest Taft, is an ex-CIA badass who puts out fires for an oil company. Like Billy Jack, he is a white guy who has appointed himself as the defender of Native American culture and dignity, and he preaches non-violence but always finds himself having to throw guys through windows and shit. The movie also has BILLY JACK-like unruly town meeting scenes where natives angrily yell about various outrages, but to quote Senator Robert Byrd, they “might as well be talking to the ocean.” And like Billy Jack, Forrest Taft is injured and taken in by Native American healers who perform a ritual with him and tell him what his spirit animal is. But in this case they are eskimos and – here’s the twist – instead of a snake, he’s a bear.

See, that makes it totally different. Also there’s a scene where he gets bit in the balls by a dog.

The villain of the piece is Academy Award Winner Michael Caine as an evil oil executive in the style of Dick Cheney. The supporting cast includes acclaimed director Joan Chen as an Ignuit activist and Academy Award winning writer Billy Bob Thornton as a henchman. This was pre-SLINGBLADE but he actually tries to deliver a performance and develop a character in the three parts where he has lines.

R. Lee Ermey also appears as a mercenary hunting Taft, and he gets a couple ridiculous lines about how badass Taft is, in the tradition of the character Colonel Trautman in FIRST BLOOD saying, “He’s trained to eat things that’ll make a billygoat puke.”

But the real attraction here is first-time director Steven Seagal, who also stars as Taft. I don’t know if you boys are familiar with Mr. Seagal’s other work, such as MARKED FOR DEATH and ABOVE THE LAW and OUT FOR JUSTICE and other movies with those same type of titles. He fights in what I call a Dolemite style, which means that he’s kinda fat and slow but they pretend he’s beating everybody anyway. He doesn’t rhyme like Dolemite does, which is the main reason why he is as not as respected, but he does play guitar in some of his movies and he sells mystical oils on the internet.

You know who he is Harry, he was the guy in EXIT WOUNDS. Not DMX – the guy with the pony tail. I think he was the main guy. Anyway ON DEADLY GROUND is his best and most personal work to date. Unfortunately I didn’t get to see it on its original release. Because of personal troubles in my life, I was not available at that time. So I was pretty excited to see it on the big screen, on film, for the first time. Turns out for this screening they were projecting off a dvd, but here’s why. The picture was presented by three guys, David Cross, Bob Oedenkirk and another gentleman whose name I did not catch, who introduced himself as “legitimately a Steven Seagal fan” and later pointed out, “We know that he is concerned with Native American issues, because of his jacket.” These gentlemen, I’m not sure if they are film historians or what, I guess they’re on a cable program called “Mr. Show.” I didn’t catch which one was Mr. Show, I think it was the bald guy. Anyway they did a running commentary throughout the show, pausing to make comments, rewinding the good parts to watch them again and fast forwarding through the boring parts where helicopters land and shit.

Needless to say if you’ve seen this before, there was alot of rewinding during the scene where Seagal humiliates Mike Starr in a bar and then asks him, “What does it take to change the essence of a man?”

Later he asks Michael Caine, “How much is enough?” (referring to money) and later “What do you say to a man with no conscience?” So this is a movie that asks the important questions, in a very direct manner.

Now to be frankly honest, I felt that Cross and Oedenkirk were not completely respectful of Seagal’s picture. In a way, I think they were making fun of it, in my opinion. During most of the vision quest sequence, for example, Oedenkirk was buckled over laughing, and he paused it just to say, “I haven’t seen anything that funny in a long, long time.”

Still, they made some good points. As many times as I’ve seen this movie, I don’t think it ever occurred to me that this company flies in the CIA trained expert on a helicopter just to come in and push a button. Or that one of the guys Seagal beats up during the bar scene looks like he’s about 70 years old.

Oedenkirk also presented a good theory about why Seagal is an interestng figure. He says that most people think making it in Hollywood is all about politics, connections, who you know. He gave examples of how people ask him who he knew at HBO to get a show, or if he had to audition, etc. But he feels that the entertainment industry is just like any other business, that there is some of that going on but mostly if you get really good at what you do and build a reputation then you get jobs, and there are a million people in Hollywood who know somebody and pass them their crappy script but they don’t get jack shit out of it, because their script sucks. But Seagal, he says, really IS that cliche – he was Mike Ovitz’s Aikido trainer, and Ovitz called in some favors to get him an action movie, and next thing you know Seagal is considered an official movie star so he makes lots of money and gets to make movies every year and pretends he used to be in the CIA.

They passed out some literature for more background on Seagal. I didn’t get a copy but I know one of them was the recent Vanity Fair article, which is great. There is an anecdote in there about somebody finding Seagal in his trailer crying.

“What’s wrong Steven?”

“Oh, I was just reading the most beautiful script I’ve ever read.”

“Really? Who wrote it?”

“I did.”

The article doesn’t say which script he was reading, but it does mention that he wrote a movie about AIDS, and how the CIA invented it to kill blacks and gays. For some reason, none of the Hollywood studios were interested. But that sort of sums up what is cool about Steven Seagal, and about this movie. Yeah, I know, he’s a corny asshole with a pony tail, who co-opts other cultures to give himself an exotic image, who can’t really fight all that great, who says he is the reincarnation of a buddhist monk named Rinpoche, and who makes laughable movies. And as laughable as his movies are they’re never as interesting as Van Damme’s surrealist period with Tsui Hark (DOUBLE TEAM (1997), KNOCK OFF (1998).) Some of them are kind of boring.

But I mean, who else in Hollywood would try to make an action movie about AIDS as a CIA plot? Or, on a less insane level, who would make an action movie where at the end the hero makes a speech about the environment and the need for alternative fuel sources? You don’t even see that in arthouse movies. As Mr. Cross pointed out, “The sad thing is, he’s basically right. But he’s this idiotic, retarded clown.”

I really enjoyed this showing, it was a once in a lifetime event that I will always cherish. I hope Criterion will see fit to get these individuals to contribute a commentary track if and when they are able to put together a special edition of this classic enviro-actioner. Harry maybe you could use your clout to demand this from Criterion, that would be good thanks.

thanks again boys,


Awesome. Just awesome. You are the king, Vern.

“Moriarty” out.

Originally published at Ain’t-It-Cool-News: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/13561

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  • October 14, 2002 9:48 AM CST


    by kitachi

    cant watch no more ex cia or special ops or on deadly something titled stuff

  • October 14, 2002 10:18 AM CST

    Errr, hello.. ‘On Deadly Ground’…?!!!!

    by bluelou_boyle

    Why are we reading a review of a lame SS ‘eco-thriller’, which was released in 1994 ?!!!
    How about some news on T3, which this site has virtually ignored, or news about the long delayed BR special edition DVD , which other sites are reporting is dead in the water.
    It’s quality, not quantity.
    For the record, Seagal, although fat, is a genuine martial artist. (10th dan black belt akido). He ran his own Akido school in Japan.

  • October 14, 2002 10:28 AM CST

    how exactly do you pronounce “Seagal”

    by Ripley’s Pussy

    I say it’s “Seagull” but my friend The Penetrator says it has three syllables, as in “Say-ah-gawl”.
    Perhaps one of Steven’s immediate family could help us out?

  • October 14, 2002 10:37 AM CST


    by el che’

    You’re right. Why in blue hell would vern go to a screening of such an irrelivant film? It’s posters like you that keep the rest of us safe. Thank you for pointing out what none of us could possibly see. You sir, are a genius.

  • October 14, 2002 10:41 AM CST

    I meant irrelevant

    by el che’

    And by the way, are Bob and David going to be doing this sort of thing again? Where? When? How can I get tickets? Why, oh why must I live in DC?

  • October 14, 2002 11:00 AM CST

    ODG the best?

    by Lance Turk

    On Deadly Ground the best Seagal flick? I don’t think so. Anybody with an iota of knowledge about Seagal movies knows that Marked for Death is the ultimate Seagal vehicle. Nothing comes close. Maybe Under Siege, but US was trying to be a real movie so that one doesn’t count.

  • October 14, 2002 11:07 AM CST

    Check out the best seagal film I’ve ever seen

    by willscarlet

  • October 14, 2002 11:27 AM CST

    “You! Look at me!”

    by Wesley Snipes

    That line from the film sums up Seagal’s whole approach to filmmaking. But anyway, some of you guys need to read this ‘glowing review’ more carefully..

  • October 14, 2002 11:36 AM CST

    “What does it take to change the essence of a man?”

    by Osmosis Jones

    Dear God, that movie was hilarious. “The plankton are dying.”

  • October 14, 2002 11:44 AM CST

    Jonathan Livingston Steven Seagal

    by hipcheck13

    Seagal’s movies are ALMOST as funny as “Mr. Show.” I swear, whenever he does a flick I wonder why Stan Winston’s brilliant special effects work is never listed in the credits – I mean, SOMEONE’S responsible for bringing Seagal’s wooden, animatronic form to life, right? God, the original “King Kong” acted with more fluidity than Seagal.

  • October 14, 2002 11:45 AM CST

    God damn it Forest, there’s been another fire…..

    by statto4ever

    Worst Michael Caine movie EVER!!!!!!

  • October 14, 2002 11:49 AM CST

    Chickengeorge, like our friend BlueLou, gets it.

    by el che’

    I mean really, thank you Chicken G. Thank you for showing us the error of our ways. What were we thinking? Seagal sucks you say? How could we have been so blindly loyal to him? I thank you sir. And we are all greatful to you for exposing Vern as an obvious PLANT. It really is shameless promotion of the “Mr. Show Travelling Stephen Seagal Film Live Running Commentary Tour”. We must flush out his kind. Your service to the readers of this site should be appreciated and you should be recognized. Kudos my friend.

  • October 14, 2002 12:13 PM CST

    Go Julius!

    by MiguelAlvarez

    Does anyone actually respect this fuckrag Seamonkey? Vern, I hope Nasso bleeds his pretentious arrogant ass, of every cent that ignorant cinema-goers have slapped into his greasy palms! Got to give the man his dues though…he really MUST have been in the CIA, after all, MOB Biz partners???

  • October 14, 2002 12:15 PM CST

    but is it as funny as that MadTV skit featuring his “super wide

    by durhay

    Where you see him enjoy a jelly doughnut off set.

  • October 14, 2002 1:03 PM CST

    More reviews like this please!

    by AlwaysRight

    Thanks Vern, many middlebrow types don’t fully appreciate the value of sheer cheesy tat. But I do feel Seagal has lowered his sights over the years. After the big-time motorcade drama at the start of Exit Wounds I thought I was in for a high-stakes political action pic. Instead I got boring dull corrupt cops and some rapper pretending to be a computer whizz. And the final shoot-out was in a kitchen for God’s Sakes. These script-free action movies need to save some budget for the last twenty minutes instead of blowing it on the opening. Mark Dacascos take note too.

  • October 14, 2002 1:06 PM CST

    The Patriot (the Steven Seagal one, NOT the Mel Gibson one) was

    by Ahriman Le Tenia

    It was a straight-to-video movie about a Heartland Militia who releases a biological weapon created by the American government upon a small prairie town. And guess who happens to be the town’s doctor? Ex-biological weapons expert (and Native American single parent) Steven Seagal, of course! The miracle-cure for the genetically engineered virus happens to be an ancient Native American herbal remedy, evidently.

  • October 14, 2002 1:11 PM CST

    He has a point…

    by SoulOnIce

    Very few movies (hollywood or independent) take a political stance like On Deadly Ground does and Billy Jack before it. Bulworth is one of the few “real” political movies made in the last 20 years. So Seagal deserves some credit anyways.

  • October 14, 2002 1:51 PM CST

    Ah, Hullsbit!

    by Dlhstar

    Few films take an environmental stance? From 1989-96, films were all about taking anti-corporate/pro-environmentalist stances. Look at LAMBADA-THE FORBIDDEN DANCE! Damn film was about a South American princess being abused by evil rich American businessmen and saving the rainforests with erotic dancing! Can Seagal compete with that?!

  • October 14, 2002 2:21 PM CST

    Sorry about that, but… Various Ramblings

    by Dlhstar

    Go to “www.jabootu.com/ ondeadlyground.htm” and read the greatest ODG review of all time. Trust me, Jabootu knows bad cinema… As for ODG: Before my mom saw it on video, she LOVED SS. Marked for Death, Out For Justice, Above the Law, Under Siege… She owned them all. Then she saw ODG and swore he sucked shit and never watched anything with him in it again.

  • October 14, 2002 2:31 PM CST


    by mattoly

    I, too, am from Olympia. While I was busy drinking during the Bob and David thing, I did get to chat with them about a certain conspicuously absent film, and GOT A FUCKIN’ COPY! Bob and David are heroes of mine, and I’m glad I got to meet them. What you guys should all check out, however, is All Freakin’ Night! (http://www.olyfilm.org/fest02/htViewEvent.php?eventid=103)
    If you’re in the area, check it out next year.

  • October 14, 2002 2:51 PM CST

    this was awesome

    by hank quinlan

    This review of the Seagal masterpiece was right on. I got dragged to this in the THEATRE! Remember when Seagal was actually kind of a movie star?It wasn’t even that long ago. It is too bad he isn’t starring in movies anymore where they can put the title (usually three words) after “Steven Seagal IS:”. Oh well. A friend of mine just went to Bhutan. They had all kinds of stories about Seagal when he visited there. He was staying at one of the palaces and wouldn’t venture very far from town because he refused to stay anywhere but the palatial setting. Then he had this entourage of locals following him as he crossed this bridge to visit this Buddhist temple. As he did he declared himself a reincarnation of some great lama and the entourage was so turned off they just turned around and walked off. Then he set up some table to give blessings and no one came. He was very hurt. AWWWWW…now he knows how I felt after Exit Wounds. You know what I always loved was the trailer for Under Siege 2. It’s all like:”A team of terrorists has hijacked this train blah blah taken hostages blah blah destroy the world blah blah” and then it goes:”only one thing can stop them…THE COOK FROM UNDER SIEGE!” Well, it was funny to me…

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9 Responses to “VERN Watches ON DEADLY GROUND With MR. SHOW At The Olympia Film Festival!!”

  1. Everything in its right place.

    Hopefully Vern won’t sue me, but I’m going to plagiarize & paraphrase here, taking generously from the ON DEADLY GROUND chapter of SEAGALOGY without proper citations, because I think I might be able to make a major breakthrough in the field of scholarly filmatic criticism.

    THE TREE OF LIFE is to Malick’s filmography what ON DEADLY GROUND is to Seagalogy and what FEMME FATALE is to Brian DePalma’s filmography. It takes all the classic Malick motifs and themes and throws them into overdrive. Like the over-the-top Seagalian touches in ON DEADLY GROUND, the super-charged Malick-times-ten feel in this one is a godsend for serious scholars of Malick’s works, but it can be offputting for the uninitiated. In fact, this movie probably marks the point when even more of the mainstream audience will turn on Malick. He’s wearing his heart on his sleeve, putting himself out there, and that’s not always a gamble that pays off. A lot of people will laugh at the idea of putting this sort of message in a Brad Pitt movie (and a lot of people, unfortunately, will have a reaction that leads to things like this: http://leitch.tumblr.com/post/6849859584/staggering-yet-also-handy-via-nextprojection ).

    The framing concept of THE TREE OF LIFE, as voiced over in the beginning, is “the way of nature” versus “the way of grace.” Though the ideas are not necessarily in conflict with each other, I think this refers to [not just human] life’s eternal struggle to transcend the brutish nastiness of instinct & selfish desire and be more like that which is Divine. This is obviously fancy talk for “What does it take to change the essence of a man?”

    Just as Forrest Taft goes on a journey to discover his animal spirit and his purpose, turning down a gorgeous naked woman in favor of a, uh, a whatever it was that was down the other fork in the vision’s road that wasn’t the hot naked woman, the chief narrator of TREE OF LIFE goes on a journey of memory to discover that his personal life has a history as deep as that of all life, of all physical being, and that this is the essence of the connection between first creation and his own existence.

    Taft is paid extremely well as an employee of Aegis, but he is expected to ignore the seedy aspects of working for Jennings (Michael Caine). The “way of nature” in terms of capitalism is a perversion of constant growth, to seek & attain wealth by any & all means, and Taft finally rebels against this idea of what Aegis bigwigs consider the natural way of things, asking “How much is enough?” while he dismantles the rig. He discovers & acts upon “the way of grace,” which is the way of restoring land rights to the locals who would live in harmony with the environment. They each presumably have their own animal spirits, and so they combine the best traits of their human intelligence with the best traits of their inner animals, finding a balance that most Christians would equate with mankind’s harmonious concurrent obedience to both God’s law & man’s law.

    Jack O’Brien (Sean Penn) (though there’s no guarantee the name is correct) in THE TREE OF LIFE appears to be a successful architect, but he too needs time to change, and he too experiences wild, violent visions to reconcile his pain, his inner conflict, to change the essence of himself. In his case, instead of fighting a bear and overcoming the temptation of nailing a naked writhing hotty, he grasps & alters the enormity of his pain by undergoing a dreamy trip to the beginning of all creation, and thus he harmonizes the multitudinousness & harsh essential dichotomy within himself, the dichotomy of his father & mother, his creators. Both Taft & O’Brien confront their raw, bare core essence in order to change their understandings of it.

    Where Seagal uses lots of ADR (additional dialogue recording) snippets praising Forrest Taft to emphasize the action (SEAGALOGY, page 78), Malick uses lots of shots looking up the trunks of trees praising the Sky to emphasize his theme of one’s connection to all creation.

    ON DEADLY GROUND ends with peaceful majestic wildlife images and Seagal (no longer Taft at this point, in my opinion) & Joan Chen spotting a bird circling their boat. This bird could be Silook, the Chief who was shot dead by MacGruder (John McGinley), in his heavenly spirit form. THE TREE OF LIFE arguably ends the same way, with Sean Penn finding the people he loves in a kind of a representation of Heaven.

    So, let it be said: With THE TREE OF LIFE, Malick has paid homage to Seagal & ON DEADLY GROUND, except Malick didn’t have the balls to include a lengthy, didactic PowerPoint presentation of his worldview at the end.

    Also, there’s a scene where Brad Pitt plays the hand-slapping game with his son.

  2. Mouth, I have not yet seen THE TREE OF LIFE, but I love the ON DEADLY GROUND comparison. Does Brad Pitt at anytime call his son “cupcake” while playing the hand-slapping game with him?

  3. Your comparison to ON DEADLY GROUND and FEMME FATALE is correct. It really is 100% pure maximum strength Malick. I think from now on I’m going to call it Terrence Malick’s BAD BOYS II.

    That link you posted is great. “The Management regrets if any of our customers were unintentionally exposed to Art. Please be assured that such limited exposure, though uncomfortable, is not dangerous. We encourage our patrons to read up on movies so they can avoid any that are not like every other movie they have seen.”

    Still the no-refund policy seems a bit harsh. I think if you came to see a 1950s coming-of-age film you should be able to get a refund when the first dinosaurs show up.

  4. Vern gets credit for the FEMME FATALE observation (SEAGALOGY, page 81); I just found a newer application for it. But thanks, fellas, for peer-reviewing this important work of esoteric scholarship.

    As for those dumbasses — the ones who can’t handle a movie not based on a standard formula script with traditional narrative structure and clear character arcs — asking for a refund, I have a very special phrase that one of my favorite first-line supervisors in the Army would direct toward me every time I showed a hint of a whisper of a shadow of insubordination:

    “Go fuck yourself, hooah?”

  5. To answer Charles’s earlier question, no, no cupcake call-outs, but there’s a painful scene where Brad Pitt is teaching his sons to fistfight, having them punch his hand and showing them technique, and he ridicules the main kid for not obeying his demand to punch popdukes in the jaw.

    I’d say the little kid is in Big Mike’s position at that point, with Brad Pitt mimicking the Seagal role, and everyone learns that a man needs time to change, but at least the kid doesn’t cry in front of a bunch of Alaskan pub patrons.

  6. Chopper Sullivan

    March 31st, 2013 at 3:13 am

    Patrice O’Neal was a Golden Age Steven Seagal fan!


  7. In my opinion I’ve changed some of my views since writing this 12 years ago. Mainly that I wouldn’t compare Seagal’s fighting abilities to Dolemite’s. But I needed time to change.

  8. Aww man the Mr. Show version of this got taken off Vimeo. That’s a bummer.

  9. I guess Bob Odenkirk didn’t want it online so the guy took it down.

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