New low budget action label

Courtney Solomon, the guy who did “After Dark Horror Fest/8 Films To Die For,” which shows 8 low budget horror movies for a weekend once a year and then releases them all on DVD, is starting up an action version of the same kind of thing. He tells the San Francisco Chronicle, “We’re developing a new generation of action movies and looking for the next Jean-Claude Van Damme, the next Wesley Snipes. We want to get people from Ultimate Fighting Championship and World Wrestling Entertainment into these pictures and do smart, smaller action movies.”

He says he told Warner Brothers, “I bet in your system there’s a whole bunch of smaller movies with good writers and directors attached that cost $5 million or $6 million, but they can’t fit into your system because you make $100 million movies.’ And they’re like: ‘Yeah, we’ve got tons of them.’ ”

I’ve only seen a couple After Dark movies and they didn’t impress me, so I got no idea what kind of quality to expect. But here is somebody with money doing exactly what we’ve all been saying somebody should do. We’ll see if they have the kind of quality control we hope for.

found via Chud complaining about it having the same name as Chuck Norris’s Brother’s Action Fest film festival

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  1. On a somewhat similar note:

    Joey Lawrence-Wesley Snipes action film ‘Havana Heat’ even crazier/better than we thought!
    by Mandi Bierly


    If, like us, you read the Variety headline “Snipes, Lawrence join ‘Havana Heat’” and needed to know more about the indie action film costarring Wesley Snipes and Joey Lawrence shooting this November, prepare to be very happy. Producer James Ordonez, president of Tayrona Entertainment Group, just gave us some serious details about the movie and its efforts to be the next Expendables (yes, offers are out to Chuck Norris and Jean-Claude Van Damme!).

    • We begin with the plot: “Havana is a mysterious, sensuous city with gorgeous architecture, white Caribbean beaches, hot, pulsating music, vintage American automobiles and some of the most beautiful women in the world. CID Special Agent Sean Franklin [Lawrence] and his partner, gung-ho rookie, NCIS Special Agent Brianna Evans [Fighting’s Zulay Henao] are assigned undercover in Havana after another agent is murdered. At the same time, a heavyweight fight between American Ruben Palace and Cuba’s Kid Carlos becomes an international incident when a girl Ruben meets in a salsa club is found dead. Sean and Brenda team up with National Revolutionary Police Force Detective Jose Aguillerra to uncover the mystery behind both crimes.”

    • Where does Snipes come in? “Snipes plays Major Evans, Sean Franklin’s boss and father of his assigned rookie partner…. Major Evans coordinates all the infiltration operation in Cuba and will engage once he finds out his best man and daughter are in danger,” Ordonez says. What made producers think to pair Lawrence and Snipes? “As a coincidence with The Expendables, Havana Heat was put together as a retro ’80s action all-star movie. We were looking for a very big teen 1990s idol who still is young and fresh to play the lead action role, and Joey Lawrence was the perfect candidate,” he says. “Wesley Snipes is one of the most recognized action stars of all times… so it was perfect to put them together.”

    • This all-star movie may include Jean-Claude Van Damme. “Raul Julia-Levy, son of late Raul Julia is also part of the cast, and he’s personally convincing Jean-Claude Van Damme to join the cast as well in order to have a major fighting scene that will reprise the final fight between Van Damme and Raul Julia in the 1994 action flick Street Fighter, which was Raul Julia’s final movie,” Ordonez says. Julia-Levy plays a Cuban driver with a secret, and Van Damme is being courted for the role of Mikhail Guzman, a hardcore criminal and human trafficker. Producers are also in talks with Chuck Norris (to play Commander Winston, Snipes’ superior) and The Terminator‘s Michael Biehn (to play Warrant Office Pelski, who’s been training Henao at GITMO). Whether or not those three deals get signed, the confirmed supporting players include: The Expendables’ Randy Couture as Bruno Bresler, the manager of the American boxer (who’ll be played by UFC fighter Heath Herring); La Femme Nikita‘s Peta Wilson as Captain Camille Davenport, who’s been helping Lawrence’s character, on bereavement leave when he gets the call to Cuba, work through his troubled past; American Ninja‘s Michael Dudikoff as Lawrence’s ex-partner who gets shot in Cuba; Zorro: La Telenovela‘s Lorena Rincon as the assassin; and Bollywood star Nicholas Brown (Kites) as a criminal involved in extortion and gambling.

    The goal is a theatrical release next summer. What do you think?

  2. After Dark’s first year had a few great flicks, since then it’s been pretty much garbage. if we are to expect the same quality from this off-shoot we’re gonna have some fun here.

    @ the Lawrence-Snipes movie: hahahah. aw shit man. ever since i saw Joey in the low budget horror-comedy Killer Pad (doing his best John McClane impression) i knew he was trying to get his foot in the door.

  3. If the After Dark people are serious about making some good movies with this, then I’m all for it.

    I can already think of some people in Germany and Turkey who they should get in touch with. There’s a lot of talent out there that’s just not getting the chance to shine.

  4. That’s a helluva query or pitch or whatever for Havana Heat, Stunny Crockett. (Eh, I’m reaching there.)

    Why not be excited, at least cautiously optimistic — didn’t Universal Soldier: Regeneration only cost like $15 million to make?

  5. Havana Heat needs to shoehorn Dean Cain and Lucy Lawless in there somewhere.

  6. Joey Lawrence was pretty good in REST STOP. So good, in fact, that I didn’t even know it was him until it was half over.

  7. It’s like anything… if they can pull it off, good for them, and I’ll happily spend my hard-earned pounds and pennies on it.

  8. i didn’t even know it was him in Rest Stop ’till the credits.

  9. Oh what are we kidding kids? Why do we believe that just because 95% of the horror series was worthless trash (my estimate is rather generous) that somehow they could pull a reverse on action?

    Really why guys?

    Besides I rather take the 3 million gonna go to 5 of these shitburgers and instead pound them together into something like UNIVERSAL SOLDIER: REGENERATION, which Mouth was totally right about.

  10. Let’s grab our cameras and go to Bulgaria! We’re gonna shoot footage in the quad, go to the gymnasium. Snoop! Snoop-a-loop. C’mon, bring your green hat!

  11. I might be wrong, but I think the After Dark movies are all made by different people, they just find small indie movies and fund them or buy them up to distribute or whatever. I don’t think he’s a hands on creative type of producer, so we could luck out if he picks the right people to do these action movies.

    I’m not holding my breath, but I thought it was worth posting on because of how many times we’ve asked why somebody doesn’t do this, or why couldn’t we do this. I know David Gordon Green has also been trying to get something like this going, and if it was him I’d be more excited because I read one of the scripts he wanted to use and it had alot of the good shit in it. But more people trying means more chances of success.

    And meanwhile we got Hyams and Florentine on the case, and hopefully Ben Ramsey of BLOOD AND BONE will get to do something else. They got him writing a Marvel Comics movie on IMDb, just give him and MJW some money and let them go.

  12. I’ll try to be optimistic, but Courtney Soloman is the guy who directed the Dungeons and Dragons movie with the Wayans Brother in it. That one was on par with your average Uve Boll effort. Before it came out I read an article about him and in it, he kept talking up how grandiose the action was going to be. Soloman strikes me as a guy who is loaded with ambition but for whatever reason has no ability to translate that to film.

    -Vern you got it exactly right. The Afterdark series is made by indy folk with money from Soloman and Co. Hopefully at least a few of these will be good. If not, who cares? Just another bunch of crappy DTV releases tho throw on the fire, no big deal. I’m pulling for you Cortney.

  13. Ace Mac Ashbrook

    August 20th, 2010 at 3:05 am

    Joey Lawrence, the little incubus from Blossom? What the fuck?

  14. yeah as far as i know the after dark stuff is all done by independent people and mostly they are just handling the distribution, but man you would think they would be able to pick some stuff that wasnt complete fucking garbage. i seem to recall in the early years of its existence you would get maybe 1-2 passable movies and an occasional standout (i liked The Abandoned) but its been pretty worthless for a long time.

  15. Best independantly made martial arts/action film ive ever seen is “charity hurts’ is non stop action with great choreography and clear directing so you can see all the action. Give those guys money to make movies anyday

    website for film http://www.charityhurts.wetpaint.com

  16. I’m not so sure that Universal Soldier: Regeneration was all THAT much better than the average After Dark movie. They weren’t 95% trash, maybe 15% trash, a bunch of mediocre ones, and a few pretty decent to good ones. No GREAT ones, for sure… they didn’t make an Evil Dead or a Rosemary’s Baby…but Universal Soldier Regeneration wasn’t exactly The Killer either.

  17. Joshua, that trailer is everything a semi-layman’s home-based video software is all about. (That’s supposed to be a compliment.) And the action looks decent, too. Mouth approves.

  18. The artist formerly known as AU_Armageddon

    August 20th, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Courtney’s supreme confidence and complete lack of talent lead to one the biggest disappointments in cinema history. There’s a lot of D&D fans out there and he hyped it up to them directly as if it were his calling and his life’s work (the sequel’s relatively quite watchable I have to say, some great moments in it – but CS had nothing to do with it).

    Anyways, I’m here in defence of Afterdark. I watched all 30 or so earlier this year in pretty much one fortnight and yeah, there’s a few dodgy brothers productions in there, but I have to say it’s seriously a dream marathon compared to say watching all 9 Amityville movies which I did in like a two day marathon, or even worse – the 10 Puppetmasters which I watched literally straight and months on still dream about these fucking creepy puppets.

    Lemme give a top 5 for the Afterdark films since no-ones citing the gems besides an offhand mention of The Abandoned (which I didn’t mind at all, but a fraction slow for what it was to make top 5 of the whole collection).

    1) The Final
    – cathartic gore-porn – Revenge of the Nerds meets Saw. Not a masterpiece sales pitch, but there’s a real charm about this film. I think it’s the kind of plan many victims would have engaged and I think a lot of angsty teens would especially enjoy this movie.

    2) The Gravedancers
    – really quite a creepy little ghost film – And it’s got that cool french guy from The Core, you gotta love him. It’s a little slow to start, and it gets carried away at the end, but overall it’s one to recommend to horror fans and especially fans of good ghost horror. Interesting characters including the ghosts.

    3) Tooth and Nail
    – post apocalpse survivors film – prolly would be pushed to most as a p.a. cannibal film but that’s not what makes it good. Neither is Vinnie Jones and Michael Madsen, both of whom I like a lot and I like in this film – Madsen lets you see exactly what Mr Blonde would be like after the bomb if you ever wondered about that. But what’s cool about this movie is the survivor group is an exploration of what would happen if a prissy academic survived with a bunch of students and how that might play out.

    4) Borderland
    – buddy kidnapped by satanic cult in Mexico film – definately an actual genre, though not always satanic. This was based on a true story and it has that real kinda feel to it all the way through, at least as much as the getting kidnapped for torture when backpacking in the Balkans genre. This one throws a curveball at you in that the hobbit Samwise is inexplicably part of this otherwise entirely mexican cult, and seemingly ranked fairly well which is never explained or explored.

    5) Lake Dead
    – redneck rampage, or mebbe something like Crystal Lake Placid – definately chanelling Jason and every teen slasher film but mixed up. Really this choice should be something like Zombies of Mass Destruction or Dread but James Burns pashing on with his semi-elderly mother is a scene I’ve never been able to erase.

    Fuck it, still gotta change it actually,

    5) Dread
    – Well intentioned sociopath documents dread – it’s clever, and in some parts really quite nasty. It’s a believable sociopath on a believable quest and I like that. Though definately nasty, it’s not gore porn or needlessly violent. Earned place 5.

  19. Thanks for that rundown, AU. Was MULBERRY STREET any good? I read some things that made it sound interesting, but I was also convinced BROKEN was gonna be good based on what I read in Fangoria, and I could barely get through that one.

  20. I watched THE GRAVEDANCERS the other night and thought it was pretty bad. Different strokes though and all. Haven’t seen any of the other ones you mentioned. Taking a look at the Afterdark Wikipedia page I have only seen: ZMD: ZOMBIES OF MASS DESTRUCTION (awful) and FRONTIER(S) (not great, see further thoughts in the END OF DAYS thread). The END OF DAYS thread is all but dead but I have been continuing my catch-up with recent horror flicks and for anyone that cares: THEM (ILS) and ISOLATION are great, SPLINTER, A SERBIAN FILM and CREEP are pretty good, and SALVAGE (GRUESOME) and THE GRAVEDANCERS didn’t really cut the mustard for me.

  21. I think Gravedancers was okay. Would I have wanted to pay full price in a theater? Hell no. But watching it on DVD at home, it was just fine.

    Liked Mulberry Street…although I think the design of the creatures hurt it a LOT. Because you had al of these really good actors creating these well-drawn, realistic characters…and then the monsters are these goofy rat people. The clash was too much for me.

    It’s like, with After Dark…I felt they were generally fine, but if someone wanted to say this or that movie was pretty lousy, I couldn’t really summon up a strong defense for them either. They’re just pretty good, you can watch them on tv. But there are definitely better horror movies out there if you haven’t seen a bunch. But in terms of low-budget horror that sort of play things safe and don’t go too out of their way to be amazing, you can do much much worse, like watch any Asylum or Sci-Fi channel movie.

  22. The artist formerly known as AU_Armageddon

    August 20th, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Hmm… thinking of Gwai Lo’s reaction to Gravedancers, it’d be easy to accidentally overhype these all Expendable like. I liked Gravedancers – but is it better that many standard horrors such as even I guess even the relavitely mediocre movie MrM mentions Rest Stop? Not neccessarily, in retrospect I’d say I possibly preferred Rest Stop and also Rest Stop 2 to most of these. Though I was in a good mood for Rest Stop riding a high of watching the Wrong Turn trilogy in previous days.

    You have to be in the right zone. Gravedancers had a lot to like. The axe murdering ghost women playing the piano was nice classic ghost stuff, but gems of it are creepy concepts such as a well respected family man, judge and pillar of the community dieing old of natural causes only to then discover through his diary that he was a brutal serial rapist and killer.

    Keeping in mind then that good is an especially relative term, I can say Mulberry Street is good. In context, I still have to admit that keenly looking foward to it as a fan of zombie films whose trying to get through every single one ever made, I was surprised and disappointed to get bored at the start, and I turned it off putting on one of the others before I got back to it a few days later. It’s a slow start, the rat getup was on the stupid side, it gets a bit shakey cam to cover the budget and is overedited in parts, and the story whole is not especially satifying. But it’s got an atmosphere I really enjoyed when I got back to it from the start in a better mood, and I liked the characters and how they responded to their situation a lot. Hand cam and editing might just potentially kill it for you Vern, I think save it for a charitable mood day to appreciate the good over the limitations.

    If Gwai-Lo hadn’t posted I prolly woulda just replied that it was good with good characters.

    Splinter’s a good example of an over-hyped film too in my opinion. Splinter’s good – but definately not significantly better or worse than any I listed. It was hyped in the exact same way Slither was. There’s so much ultra-violent horror now that I think more classic polished stuff like Slither and anything new that’s polished and a liitle sci-fi like Splinter or Splice gets eaten up by fan sites and critics.

    What I loved about the Afterdark marathon is that same thing I loved about lucky dips as a kid. I’m looking forward to A Serbian Film, but I know roughly wha I’m in for and how its gonna play out. You pick up The Host and know got the gist from the front cover already, on the off chance you havn’t already read or heard. Pirahna 3d has no genuine surprises in store. Chuck on a random Afterdark movie and you prolly havn’t heard anything about it, and dun know whether it is gonna be a psych thriller, or sci-fi, or maybe a monster or slasher classic, good or crap, slow starter, clever or stupid. Some you dun think are clever until the very end, or might not like until the end – Tooth and Nail’s first half was where the meat was for me, then drags a little. Most of Dread’s impact is packed into the ending and I bet heaps of people dismissed it before getting there.

    My hope for Actionfest would be that it captures that same diversity. No Ong Bak 4 or Jean Claude or Lundgren cameos even. I wanna be surprised by an action movie about vigilante priest who wants to save the world by publicly murdering any people who eat at McDonalds. Or perhaps a completely seriously filmed action movie about an unknown and unseen under the surface war between multiple charity fundraising street collectors that plays out like The Wanderers or The Warriors.

  23. Hmm, yeah, I dunno. I just thought both the concept and execution of THE GRAVEDANCERS were pretty flimsy. Dance on someone’s grave and they’ll come back and try to kill you… but only until the next full moon, because that’s how evil spirits roll… I dunno. It was just a bit arbitrarily silly to me and didn’t end up striking much of a chord. I wanted to see what happened if one of the characters hopped on a plane to Fiji. Could the evil ghosts follow? I also found all of the characters pretty flat (that Dominic Purcell guy has zero charisma in my opinion), and wasn’t that invested in their fates. It picked up a bit when it shifted into EVIL DEAD mode at the end, but stack it up against the real EVIL DEAD (a tall order, to be fair) and it comes up way short. And some of the stuff with the paranormal investigators (read: the twist explaining the female’s motivations) was silly in my opinion.

    I can see someone getting a kick out of it though. I would probably put up a stronger defense for a lot of the MASTERS OF HORROR installments than most would bother with, because I had a soft spot for the concept of the series and was willing to overlook some of the execution as a result. I should check out some more of these After Dark movies and see if my appreciation goes up. Hard to dislike the thinking behind producing them.

    SPLINTER was a pleasant surprise for me. For the first 15 minutes or so I was worried it was going to flat out suck. The intro with the gas station attendant was kinda weak, the title cards looked like someone whipped them up in MS Paint, and the geek and his girlfriend trying to set up a tent was painful in its awkwardness. Then the criminal and his girlfriend came along and it looked like thing might be going even further south. But once they got trapped in the gas station I really started getting into it. I liked all three of the lead characters and especially liked that the criminal didn’t become the obvious cliched villain and cooperated once he realized they were all screwed. The situations built on top of each other nicely and while the temperature thing was kinda dumb the movie was at least attempting to move its characters through the plot with logic. I also liked the creature and the exclusive use of practical effects, although there was a bit too much violent shaking of the camera whenever it attacked and we all know how beloved that style is around these parts. To me it was fun because it was an oldie but a goodie, a basic concept executed competently.

  24. Oh and A SERBIAN FILM… fucked up. Just really fucking fucked up. You know how you hear the concept of THE HUMAN CENTIPEDE and think it’s fucking disgusting but then you see the movie and are surprised that it’s actually kind of relatively tasteful and implies more than it shows? Well A SERBIAN FILM is the film where you suspect maybe people are exaggerating because the concept doesn’t exactly involve human beings being surgically connected mouth to anus, but then you see the movie and wonder how the filmmakers haven’t been arrested. I don’t know if it’s actually a good movie though, for my money THE HUMAN CENTIPEDE is better executed. A SERBIAN FILM goes right to the limit of the genre, mainly because it forces the protagonist to do some SALO style shit that just made me miserable for humanity. Does that mean it’s effective? I guess. But I’m starting to wish that filmmakers would pull back the reins a bit. I don’t know if I want to see where horror goes from here, what is the next order of magnitude as far as shock and awe goes? That’s kinda why I liked ILS (THEM) so much. Everything in that movie is implied, all of the scares come from shadows in the periphery and footsteps right behind you.

  25. I’m going to be the one to say that Mulberry Street is a terrible movie. It’s one of those pictures where the director is deathly afraid of letting the audience see anything happen. Whenever it looks like people are going to do something, the camera starts shaking around and cutting to anything that isn’t the action.

    If the script wasn’t so bland and predictable, maybe the rest of it wouldn’t get to me so much. I don’t know.

  26. See, Master of Horror was the disappointment to me because in general those episodes were as medicore as these After Darks…except that you had an amazing lineup of genre directors given free reign to do what they wanted. Why weren’t those AWESOME? I guess realistically, most of those guys are just too old now, too tired. Although I really liked both of Stuart Gordon’s episodes and I really liked the one set on the farm with the Wendigo, I’m too lazy to look the director up right now but he made that other Wendigo movie which I didn’t care for. I thought he did a great job. Carpenter did an all right one.

  27. Eddie, you’re basically correct about Mulberry Street. I think I liked it more than a lot of people might because the acting was so genuinely strong. It seemed like a real movie, not some shitty low budget flick until the rat people showed up. And then I still liked it well enough.

  28. -Gwai Lo. Sorry to hijack this thread but I gotta talk about this movie for a second.

    I just saw A SERBIAN FILM. Here are my thoughts. It is one of the bleakest films I have ever seen. I hate to get all hyperbolic like that, but damn if it isn’t apt. It is a literal depiction of hopelessness my means of sexual depravity. Its plot and story are sort of ridiculous, but it has a root in some basic human psychology that provides a solid base for the development of the brutally malign effect it had on me. I also just saw HUMAN CENTIPEDE, TAXIDERMIA, and MARTYRS. I think A SERBIAN FILM was put together and executed with more skill than CENTIPEDE, and I liked CENTIPEDE, but that’s just me. A SERBIAN FILM just hit me harder. I have seen brutal and terrible things in film before but this one hits hard not just because of the horrific perversity and inherently angry world view, which is every bit on the level of CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST, but also because of the competence of the filmmakers. It is a modern original that doesn’t rely on trendy gimmicks, e.x. found-footage, meta-film winking at the audience, pop culture references etc. I found it to be difficult, shocking and Unforgettable.

    After I saw it I listened to Drew McWeeny’s interview with the filmmakers. One of the things they say goes a long way into explaining this one. “In Serbia, you are fucked as soon as you are born, you are fucked for life, and you are even fucked after you die.” As horrifying as this whole film is, it was generated from some very real emotions, apparently felt by an entire nation. Serbia sounds like a hell of a place.

    Anyway back the the pertinent details of the thread. I saw the first two rounds of Afterdark films. Gravedancers and Borderland were the only films that stood out to me. The weren’t great but decent horror. Nothing to seek out. I agree with Gwai Lo that the MASTERS OF HORROR series is better, not that it’s a competition. But if you haven’t seen either and are looking for some light horror I’d pick MOH, particularly the first season, although some of the second season aint half bad.

  29. Dig Duggler – I think you’re totally justified in calling A SERBIAN FILM one of the bleakest films you’ve ever seen. I’d agree. As far as the violence and gore it puts on the screen, I’ve seen films go farther. But some of the ideas behind the film, some of the places the story takes you, are just flat out EXTREMELY UPSETTING, which is something that, for instance, the SAW series couldn’t possibly manage even if they doubled down on all the viscera and grue they show us. (Wow, I’m not even going to attempt to fix that grammatical nightmare of a sentence right there.) When I said “I don’t know if it’s actually a good movie” I should have put “good movie” in quotes or something, because I’m not trying to imply it’s poorly made. I only consider THE HUMAN CENTIPEDE better executed because in my opinion in maintained a very even sense of pacing and tone and a classic structure, as well as a great centerpiece performance by Dieter Laser. Whereas I found A SERBIAN FILM strayed all over the map as far as tone was concerned. Thinking about the two films thematically, A SERBIAN FILM definitely has a lot more going on under the surface.

    That may be why I have such a hard time with it though. I find it really hard to evaluate films like this the same way I would evaluate other movies. Calling this film a good movie seems akin to applauding someone for poking you in the eye with a sharp stick. It’s extremely effective, extremely upsetting, and like you say one of the bleakest films ever made. Like SALO it gives an unflinching look into the worst things our species is capable of, and what sticks with you is the extreme inhuman cruelty to those deserving of love and not necessarily the graphic visual violence. But these films leave me drained and unable to evaluate them on normal terms. I feel weird giving it an IMDB rating… do I give it a 10 for its effect on me, so that it sits next to favorites like 2001, ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST or FITZCARRALDO? Do I give it a 7 or 8, but does that truly reflect the precision with which it accomplishes its intended effect? Do I give it a 1 for making me utterly miserable? Do I buy something like this, which I will probably never want to subject myself to again, on Blu Ray?

    All of these things are signifiers of a film worth discussion. And you can’t really fault a horror movie for doing its job TOO WELL. I remember Vern bringing something similar up in his review of WOLF CREEK. And I’m sure Serbians have their own specific take on the film. But man, I’m gonna need some more time to think this one through.

    As for MASTERS OF HORROR, I think the good episodes are:


    Some other half-decent ones in there as well but those are the ones that stand out to me.

    MASTERS OF SCIENCE FICTION, however, was pure and absolute fucking shit.

  30. Gwai Lo, I don’t know about you, but the last scene in Serbian Film had me thinking about putting a gun in my mouth.

    Just a miserable fucking experience.

  31. The artist formerly known as AU_Armageddon

    August 21st, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Dieter Laser’s performance in Human Centipede is not so impressive if you have seen Lexx. It’s a sci-fi / horror / comedy series with 4 very unique seasons and Dieter’s the primary villian in the 2nd season. He seemed so great and creepy in that but having seen his more recent performance I can say the characters are largely indistinguishable. I’ve come to realise that for all the praise heaped on him at every site from twitchfilm to CHUD, he’s just a creepy guy playing himself. Germany’s Michael Madsen or Ray Liotta.

    Incidentally Lexx is brilliant and bleak. Spending a day watching Lexx simulates the comedown experience from LSD.

    Anyone caught the Fangoria Frightfest movies by the way as they hit DVD last week?
    – Pig Hunt
    – Dark House
    – The Tomb
    – Grimm Love
    – Hunger
    – Fragile
    – Road Kill
    – The Haunting

    Although I watched Fragile years ago so I’m sure how Frightfest works, though it was creepy if you dun like your ghosts to wear bracers. Those kids with bracers at my school were creepy enough so an undead version worked on me. On par with the better Afterdark flicks. Rest I’m looking forward to watching in the next week or so.

  32. Never thought I would agree with AU on something, but yes, LEXX is great. Totally fucked up, but great.
    (But Laser was the villain in Season 1, unless you consider the original miniseries as Season 1. )

  33. I don’t know, I thought Dieter Laser was a little too campy/ridiculous in the Centepede role. I think if it had been downplayed ot would have been more creepy, like a guy who seems normal and created this centepede and he really loves it, instead of ranting and raving like every other two-bit horror villain.

  34. -Gwai Lo. Cheers! Yep, it is a strange question that those who appreciate art are confronted with from time to time. The question being “How does one rate a truly disturbing work?” That is, as you say, can one fault a horror film for doing it’s job too well? I think you can. If only by the virtue of the fact that horror is one of the most fundamentally subjective elements of a work of art. What is scary/disturbing to some may not be to all.

    Comedy has a very similar, albeit polar opposite, function. But the very nature of Comedy all but prohibits it from ever forming a similar question. I can’t imagine anyone not liking something because it made them laugh to hard, unless they had broken ribs.

    I think that the emotions intentionally elicited through horrific art are in some ways similar to physical pain. On a psychological level people enjoy a small measure of pain, some more than others. Take hot sauce for example. It is a phenomenally popular condiment. Most people use it in minute quantities. But there are a few who really go after it. They love the burn, and their body adapts to it, so they have to keep looking for hotter and hotter food. But there is a limit, a point at which the person will concede. They have been burned. Did the chef ruin the meal by saturating the food with cayenne (THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT, VUGAR)? Were the flavors balanced even though it was ungodly hot (A SERBIAN FILM, SALO, CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST, IRREVERSIBLE)? Or did the chef throw in a bunch of habaneros to cover the flavor of the rotting meat (SAW I-MMXVI, or whatever they are up to now)? These are all personal questions that only an individual can only answer for themselves.

    I just want to say I dig what’s going on with this site. Every time I have tried to engage in meaningful discourse concerning film on any other film site I feel like I’m talking to a room full of 10 year-olds who have just blown through a gallon of whiskey and an kilo of cocaine. Glad you are all here.

    -Vern, just thought you might want the heads up. I was buying soap at Target today and I noticed that GREENBERG the movie was on sale for $17, sounds like one you might want to add to your collection.

  35. In reply to the first post. Havana Heat has been rumored for a very long time, apparently it’s just the people behind the movie trying to promote their project. The latest on the web is that no actor has actually signed any contract for this thing, in fact it’s just actors that the producers would like to have in their movie. Also it seems that all the big names listed there will have nothing more than brief cameos that is IF they ever sign. And I don’t even want to get started on the whole scandal surrounding Raul Julia-Levy and the fact that it isn’t 100% confirmed that he really is the late Raul Julia’s son.

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