Boys, boys, boys–
These last couple weeks have been tough on my mental facilities. I reviewed that great new “ULTIMATE” edition of the original TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE, I also revisited parts 3 and 4 in that original series, then on Thursday I reviewed the new prequel to the remake. So by that point I’d studied and written about pretty much every angle to the whole Texas Chainsaw deal. You’d think I’d be done with it by now, but there is one final chapter: the one spinoff of the original movie that achieves its own level of True Greatness. I am talking about Tobe Hooper’s 1986 sequel, THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 2. It’s been available on DVD for a couple years in a bare bones edition (get it, that is a pun because of all the skeletons they have) but Tuesday it comes out in a much deserved special edition with new commentaries, featurettes and deleted scenes.
THE TEXAS CHAIN SAW MASSACRE is my all time best buds forever horror movie, so it’s lucky for me that part 2 happens to be one of my all time favorite sequels. Mostly hated in its time, it has developed a little bit better of a reputation over the years and if it’s not at bona fide classic status by now I think it will be after this DVD gets around and more people give it serious consideration. Like Mr. Romero’s DEAD pictures Mr. Hooper here made a chainsaw movie to represent the time it was made, an excessive, over-the-top ’80s take on TCSM. While it’s about as unrelenting and in-your-face-crazy as slasher movies come, it’s also way more of a comedy than the original, so I can understand why some people didn’t cotton to it right away. But I think most horror fans who gave it half a chance would fall in love with its deranged brilliance.
A warning: it starts out iffy. The first thing you hear after the credits is the dated 1980s drum machine of a Timbuk3 song. And the first scene is about some obnoxious high school yuppie football fans driving down a Texas highway firing guns and calling the K-OKLA request line, announcing themselves as “Buzz” and “Rick the Prick.” Like in many bad horror movies (especially of that era) these are characters that you will probaly want to see get killed. If so you will get your wish when the two assholes get stalked by an American flag-decked pickup truck that they played chicken with earlier. Leatherface makes his entrance hidden behind “Nubbins,” the new name for the hitchhiker’s rotted corpse, which he uses as a puppet while sawing their Mercedes.
Caroline Williams plays Stretch, the DJ who happens to be on the line when this happens. Soon she will meet Dennis Hopper as Lefty Enright, the revenge-obsessed Texas Ranger and uncle of part 1’s Sally and Franklin. He’s been scouring the state for these cannibals for years and believes they’re operating out of this area. When he selfishly convinces Stretch to play recordings of the snuff phone call repeatedly on the air it draws the attention of Chop Top (Billy Moseley, later Otis in the HOUSE OF ONE THOUSAND CORPSES pictures) and Leatherface (Bill Johnson this time), who Chop calls “my little brother, Bubba.” They show up at the radio station late at night and, from that point on, the movie has you at knifepoint.
We’ve all seen many people menaced in many different movies, but for my money the assault on the radio station here is one of the all time greats. At first you only see Chop Top, this weird hippie guy in a bad wig, mumbling about buying some advertising time, making Stretch uncomfortable by his uninvited presence. He looks bizarre and for some reason he keeps holding the end of a coathanger to his zippo lighter and then digging it into his scalp. You don’t know at first if he’s really trying to scare her or if he’s just socially retarded like his twin brother, the hitchhiker. It turns out he has a big surprise planned where Leatherface jumps out from the record vault with his chainsaw. But the plan doesn’t quite work out correctly because Bubba accidentally hits Chop on the head with the saw, sending sparks everywhere and inspiring the classic line “Leatherface, you bitch hog, look what you did to my Sonny Bono wig!”
At this point the metal plate in Chop Top’s head is visible and he’s using the coat hanger to pick off pieces of dead skin and munch on them like raisins. Leave it to the chainsaw family to come up with a fourth use for coathangers after 1. coathanging 2. illegal abortions and 3. unlocking your car door. If there is another self-cannibal in horror cinema I don’t know who it is, but I bet he doesn’t do it this casual.
The big turning point in part 1 is when Leatherface suddenly appears in the house, hits Jerry over the head with the sledge, drags his body into the slaughter room and slams the metal door shut. In this one maybe the turning point is when Leatherface jumps out with the saw. But shortly after that, when Chop Top is on the ground hunched over poor L.G., gleefully hammering his head in with a small hammer, is when you really know you’re in the shit. By now everybody besides Michael Bay has figured out that TCSM has hardly any gore in it. But part 2 let’s you fuckin have it. Not happy-fun-time-early-Peter-Jackson gore, more like gruesome-oh-Jesus-did-I-need-to-see-that? gore, courtesy of Tom Savini somewhere around his prime. Some people hate that it doesn’t use the same approach as the original, but I think it’s smart. You gotta mix it up to keep people on their toes.
The movie also makes you extra uncomfortable by giving Leatherface an interest in sex. Stretch has to use her feminine charms (well, actually her crotch) to save her life. For Bubba/Leatherface, pointing his saw at her is like getting to cop his first feel, and he goes all mushy on us. He’s soft enough that he lets her live and pretends to his brother that he killed her, but aggressive enough that he saws apart the entire studio and then wiggles his saw at crotch level before running out the door. This may not be the same type of Leatherface character we saw in the original, but he’s a classic character in his own right. Completely disgusting, but lovable as far as retarded, cannibalistic, graverobbing serial killers go. And this sets up a very different take on the captured girl scenario because instead of trying to kill her for the entire movie, Leatherface spends alot of the time trying to play with her and hide from the family that she’s there, until finally they find out and invite her to dinner to, uh, meet Grandpa.
I think it’s okay to have a little different take on Leatherface, because the whole tone and feel is different. The humor is more overt, and even gets a little cartoony in the early scenes where the one returning actor, Jim Siedow as Drayton “The Cook” Sawyer, collects his trophy at a chili cookoff. “This town loves prime meat!” he says. Not sure what that has to do with anyt– WAIT A MINUTE!
But most of the humor is so sick it only adds to the horror. You can both laugh and be disturbed by Chop Top puppeteering the dead body of his twin brother. Or poor Stretch secretly watching Leatherface cut off her good friend’s skin with an electric knife while Drayton tells him to get going on the eyeball pate. Despite the laughs and chuckles this is a bleak, unrelenting, bash your fuckin head in with a hammer horror movie. By the time Stretch has literally fallen into the Sawyer family’s body-strewn underground amusement park “Texas Battle Land,” the movie has completely given itself over to the family’s deranged mind state. If you thought Robert Burns’ skeletal-creations in the first one were elaborate, just wait until you see their new home. The production designer this time is Cary White (no relation to “Scary Carrie” as far as I know) and he created a labyrinth of moldy underground tunnels filled with what must be hundreds and hundreds of scavenged lamps, chandeliers and Christmas lights to light all kinds of bone furniture, body parts and skeletons that the family poses into humorous scenes (a visit to the beach, Slim Pickens riding the bomb in DR. STRANGELOVE). Apparently their amusement park went out of business, but they have their own attractions going on down here. I don’t want to be an armchair psychiatrist here, but in my opinion these guys are fuckin nuts.
And so is Dennis Hopper’s Lefty. What a brilliant touch to make a protagonist almost as crazy as the killers. There’s a great scene where he goes to a chainsaw store and tries to find some saws that will work for him. You watch the confused store owner watch Lefty as he hefts them around, testing their weight and feel. This guy clearly is not thinking about cutting down trees. Of all the chain saw movies, this is the only one that contains a chain saw duel. I’m not sure what Lefty is planning to do when he first goes down into the Sawyers’ hellhole. But when he kicks through a mural of Daniel Boone and an avalanche of guts pours out it takes him about two seconds to decide to start chainsawing every support beam in sight. “I’m bringing it down!”
The screenplay for this one is by L.M. Kit Carson, better known for writing PARIS, TEXAS, which is a pretty different movie from this one, in my opinion. I’m sure he deserves most of the credit for the satire and the heavily quotable dialogue. Another thing this movie has that you don’t get in a whole lot of horror movies is an incredible cast of characters. Chop Top would have to be my favorite, he’s even crazier than the hitchhiker and he has most of the best lines (“Lick my plate, you dog dick!”) One of my favorite Chop Top moments is after dinner when the family suddenly hears the trespassing Lefty somewhere in their lair storming around with a saw singing “Bringing In the Sheep.” The whole family goes silent, surprised at the sound of this intruder. And then, suddenly, Chop Top starts singing along happily.
Of course, you could also argue that Drayton, the Cook, has the best lines. His character is way more broad than in the first one but he’s hilarious and gets to carry most of the satire. His response to Lefty is not to sing along but to ask, “Is that the American way of entering a man’s home, singing like that?” He’s always complaining about property taxes and the plight of the small business man. When confronted by Lefty he doesn’t realize this is about the murder spree, he thinks he was sent by one of their competitors in the food industry, so he tries to pay him off.
And don’t forget Grandpa, “137 years old and still fast as Jesse James.” Since Tom Savini did the makeup in this one he’s much creepier looking. He seems to have no idea where or who he is most of the time, but he gets in a good hammer toss.
But of course, the rock star of the bunch is Leatherface. Watching this again I had forgotten how god damn funny he is in this one. He falls for Stretch and tries to keep her as a pet. His way of courting her is to put L.G.’s freshly skinned face over hers and dance with her. I crack up every time he tries to hide that he didn’t kill her back at the radio station – he’s not a very good liar. When the cook comes in while he’s playing he hides her by turning around and holding the face up proudly. Creating a distraction. I mean, obviously Gunnar Hansen is the definitive Leatherface, but I just get a kick out of this Bill Johnson guy’s more lovable version. His poor fitting suit and tie, the funny way he wiggles the saw back and forth above his head before an attack. You thought Prince made his guitar phallic you should see what this perv does with his saw. I blame the Cook for Leatherface’s sexual repression. He says that “Sex is, well… nobody knows. But the saw… the saw is family.”
So you got this hilarious and bizarre cannibal family with such great chemistry, but somehow the good guys are still good enough characters that you root for them. Lefty, the nutbag Texas ranger with holsters for his chainsaws. L.G., the loogie spittin’ good ol’ boy sidekick who gets a long, sad death, but gets to say “Ah, shit” just before he finally passes. And Stretch, the toughest and most pro-active of the final girls. She’s not Linda Hamilton, she does all kinds of screaming and struggling. But she’s not somebody who just happens to get trapped by the family, she traps THEM and follows them home to find out where they live. At the end she just tears into Chop Top, biting his wrist, jumping on his back, biting his ear, beating him down to the ground! I’d like to see Jessica Biel bite a guy’s ear. I DARE Jessica Biel to bite a guy’s ear. With or without belly button exposed.
And I love the way Hooper and Carson tie this sequel to the excesses of the Reagan years. The Sawyers are the backwoods (actually, subterranean) AMERICAN PSYCHO. Their piece of the American dream is not a bigger house with skeletons, but a whole underground lair with skeletons. There is an amazing shot pulling back from the dinner table to show just how much more the family has amassed since the first time we saw them sit down for dinner. Hooper explains on his commentary track that “they got more affluent with their barbecue business” during the ’80s. Chop Top, like Rambo in part 2, is still obsessed with going back and winning the Vietnam War. Well, I guess he doesn’t care so much about winning. But Drayton concerns himself with business and family. He talks about old fashioned values while using the bodies of the innocent as decorations. And their meat to sell to football fans.
This is a sequel, and yet it’s a great movie. Maybe that’s why I go so crazy when writing about the remake and the prequel. This is a “franchise” that started with two very different films that I believe are both genuine works of art and classics of American cinema. So to turn it into a dumb make-teens-jump-and-scream commerical endeavor offends me. If you’re gonna follow up on it you better make sure you know what you’re doing. You can’t ALIEN VS. PREDATOR this shit. Is that the American way to remake a movie? Wait, don’t answer that.
This GRUESOME EDITION is another double-dutcher for me. I never figured anybody gave a shit besides me so I wasn’t expecting a special edition like this to ever come along. But it was worth re-buying.
The classiest extra is “IT RUNS IN THE FAMILY,” a six-part featurette deal interviewing some of the main people involved. Unfortunately Tobe Hooper’s not on here for some reason, and not surprisingly Dennis Hopper is missing, and Jim Siedow had already died when they made it. But they have L.M. Kit Carson (writer), Richard Kooris (director of photography), Cary White (production designer), Tom Savini (Tom Savini), Bill Moseley (Chop Top), Caroline Williams (Stretch), Lou Perryman (L.G. – also assistant cameraman on part 1) and Bill Johnson (Leatherface).
I think the interview with Carson is the most interesting. He gives alot of information about different drafts of the script and his experiences rewriting on the set and how the whole thing evolved. Despite some problems with Cannon Films and the removal of some of the stuff he wanted in the movie he seems happy and proud of the final product. I also liked Kooris and White’s stories about the set and how they lit it with actual lamps and chandeliers so they could do a long tracking shot chase without having to hide their lights.
Johnson is also an interesting interview because, like Gunnar Hansen, he’s a surprisingly gentle guy. His voice is elegant and the others describe him as “soulful.” It’s not mentioned in the interview, but on the actor’s commentary track Williams says that he had a stuntman do some of the murder scenes because he was so opposed to violence.
IT RUNS IN THE FAMILY also has some on-the-set and in-the-makeup-department video footage courtesy of Savini. I wish they had included some longer sections as a separate extra (Savini says on the commentary that he has video of the entire L.G. de-facing scene with Hooper telling Leatherface what to do) but oh well. This featurette (and all the extras) were made by the same people who made the FLESH WOUNDS documentary on the TCSM Ultimate Edition. So they are much better than your average throw-on-some-talking-heads type behind-the-scenes featurettes.
There are two commentary tracks. One is Tobe Hooper (interviewed by David Gregory, director of THE SHOCKING TRUTH). This one is not jam-packed with insights, but since info on this movie is much more scarce than on the original I was glad to hear what he had to say. He explains alot of things the less-obsessed might not know because they don’t really come across in the movie, like that Chop Top is hitchhiker’s twin brother, and that Nubbins (the corpse they carry around and use as a puppet for most of the movie) is supposed to be hitchhiker. He talks about some of the plot threads that were cut out (Lefty is Stretch’s illegitimate father!?), how he didn’t want to direct the sequel but couldn’t get anybody else to do it, etc. I do wish he would have said a little more. For example, there’s a scene outside the Cut-Rite Chain Saw Shop with a marching band going by in the background. You’d think Hooper would explain why he had a marching band going by but he sits silent through the whole scene. (There aren’t any Rudy Ray Moore type gaps, though.)
The actor commentary is a little more fun, it has Bill Moseley and Caroline Williams with Tom Savini. They all seem very proud of the movie, though Savini doesn’t seem to remember it very well and they keep having to explain things to him. Moseley is full of trivia and points out alot of little details. They clearly love the movie but I don’t think they’re overly self-congratulatory like some commentaries. They laugh about a few things like the small bridge that seems a hundred miles long when Leatherface terrorizes the yuppies on it at the beginning.
In the old days when I had to watch this movie on VHS, I thought the last shot of the movie was the most brilliant touch. Stretch has defeated the family and climbed to the top of the amusement park’s Matterhorn, and she waves the saw around in a savage victory dance. The camera pulls out and along the bottom of the frame, at the very last second, you see a semi drive by. So all this crazy fuckin mayhem has been going on right next to the highway, with people driving back and forth the whole time having no idea what was going on underground!
But when the movie finally came out on DVD it was letterboxed, and the truck was cropped off. Which made me wonder if we were ever even supposed to see that truck. The old DVD includes a full-frame transfer, but you still don’t see the truck. So maybe it was a mistake in the VHS transfer. Well, this DVD doesn’t shed any light on that but Moseley brings up the brilliance of the truck and is sad that you can’t see it anymore. So it proves I’m not crazy. It’s society that’s crazy.
The most enlightening extra is the five deleted scenes. Some of you might’ve seen these on an old VHS special edition that I think Anchor Bay put out. They were supposed to be after the movie but, on my copy at least, they weren’t. Well, here they are now, they are transferred from a poor quality VHS tape but I assume that’s all that’s left. They’re roughly edited and missing sound effects. But these are the legendary scenes you always read about like the massacre of rioting football players in an underground parking garage and the Joe Bob Briggs cameo (he praises Leatherface’s performance as he gets sawed). The parking garage scene would’ve made some people happy by giving the movie a much more respectable body count, but I’m glad these scenes were cut. They’re fun but much sillier than most of the movie, more in line with the chili cook-off scene. I don’t think we need to see a dead hand doing the hook ’em horns and then flipping the bird. There have been legends that these scenes made the movie more satirical, but I say they make it more of a parody. I’m glad they’re here to see, in a deleted scenes gallery, where they belong.
I can’t tell if the transfer is any different, but it’s anamorphic if that means anything to you. I also couldn’t tell if the cut itself was different. It might be, because the listed running time is one minute longer and it goes with the original unrated label (the old edition claimed to be rated-R).
My only serious complaint about this DVD is the lame packaging. It doesn’t have to be magnetic like the TCSM ULTIMATE EDITION but the cover ought to reflect the actual movie. Instead of using the old BREAKFAST CLUB movie poster parody, one of the Leatherface-cutting-through-a-wall movie posters or even the Dennis-Hopper-with-chainsaws still that was on the previous edition, they are trying to make ‘SAW 2 look like SAW 2. They have a bloody saw in front of a nu-horror-dirty white background. (Inside the slipcase they add a couple severed limbs to the picture.) I don’t know, maybe the let’s-trick-people-with-poor-eyesight-into-renting-the-wrong-movie approach to movie packaging works, but it’s too bad for the people who want to buy the DVD because they love the actual movie contained inside.
And as long as we’re nitpicking, isn’t THE GRUESOME EDITION kind of a weak handle? They have all these special editions lately with cutesy names that come from the movie (“Bueller Bueller Edition,” “Double Secret Probation Edition,” “Dread Pirate Edition,” “Everything’s Duckie Edition,” “Whatever Edition,” “Sexist, Egotistical, Lying Hypocritical Bigot Edition,” etc.) Well I’m usually against that but I would make an exception for TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE 2: LICK MY PLATE YOU DOG DICK EDITION. Or at least BITCH HOG EDITION.
Otherwise though this is a good one. If you love this movie and you have a few extra bucks beyond the basic necessities of modern living, I say it’s worth buying again. And if you’ve never seen it you really ought to rent it. As Moseley says in IT RUNS IN THE FAMILY, they were making “the sequel to the greatest horror movie ever made,” and I think they actually lived up to their responsibility.
And with that, I end my two weeks of non-stop chainsaws, skinned faces, cannibal dinners, body parts on meat hooks, giggling self-mutilation and tied-up, screaming kidnap victims. For the rest of the month I think I’m just gonna watch GILMORE GIRLS or some shit like that.
Originally posted at Ain’t-It-Cool-News: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30347
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Oct. 10, 2006, 4:15 a.m. CST
What this site needs is more political debate
I just can’t hear enough about the mythical “excesses of the Reagan years.” Thank God we straightened out our priorities in the stock market bubble Enron WorldCom Nasdaq DOW 36,000 peace and prosperity Clinton ’90s. That said, it’s the Breakfast Club poster on this disc or nothing, thanks.
Oct. 10, 2006, 4:50 a.m. CST
I saw this when in high school…
Right after I watched the original for the first time…and I loved it…perfectly 80’s but still had something about it that separated it from the rest of the group.
Now don’t get me wrong… I grew up on (and still cherish) classics and bad B’s such as Night of the Comet, Night of the Creeps (still better than Slither), Night of the Demons, Chopping Mall, et al…
But this sequel is really well worth buying…and as I was unaware that the special edition was coming out…well hold the phone, make me some flapjacks and Ike hit me again and put some steak on it…I will purchase this with no thought of paying things like bills…
Just think…will paying those keep you warm at night? Mayhaps. Will they leave the light on for you? Who cares? Get this edition as it is really one truly worthy successor to the original (which still scares the hell out of me). Just think…how many of the “stars” of the original did you ever see again? Not like the remake where you see Jessica Biel on TV or in the tabloids…
And this is somewhat similar…this was back in the old days…before the dark time…before the Empire (media, internet)
Get it…you’ll be glad you did!
Oct. 10, 2006, 5:14 a.m. CST
by Hugh Jarse
..this on a crappy 10th gen video here in the UK about 13 yrs ago (BBFC didn`t like chainsaws back then) and saw it again on TV couple a of nights ago for the 4th time..and I enjoy it more each time I see it..Am glad that stylistically each film takes a different approach instead of looking like carbon copies of previous films. Sounds like the Special Edition is well worth getting too.
Oct. 10, 2006, 6:04 a.m. CST
Apparently it’s still the same crappy R rated version
According to rewind comparisons!!!
Oct. 10, 2006, 7:09 a.m. CST
I stopped reading this about half-way through
by Mister Man
Learn to be concise, or shut up.
Oct. 10, 2006, 7:13 a.m. CST
Bringing in the Sheaves
by Mister Man
I assume that’s what you meant.
Oct. 10, 2006, 7:47 a.m. CST
I missed out on the Anchor Bay version, so I’ve been eagerly awaiting something like this. I remember seeing it when it first came out. The ticket-person tried to talk me out of seeing it because it was “terrible” so, there I was, opening weekend, in an empty theater. I always took it as a black comedy – or something along the lines of how Evil Dead 2 compares to the original. Thanks for the review.
Oct. 10, 2006, 8:05 a.m. CST
On this movie we can agree, Vern.
by Childe Roland
I loved it back in the day and still have a deep fondness for it. I think Rob Zombie owes the entirety of his House of 1000 Corpses and Devil’s Rejects to this movie. And he didn’t quite capture the same sense of dizzy fun mayhem as TCSM 2. Oh, and Mister Man needs to lighten up some.
Oct. 10, 2006, 8:31 a.m. CST
I’ll check this out. I didn’t know anything of it until now. I love horror and 80’s excess so this sounds great to me.
Oct. 10, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST
It’s great to see people who appreciate TCM2.
I’ll be picking this up next time I’m down at Best Buy. One of the best sequels of all time, but so few understand it. Still, no shot of the truck at the end? We used to drive by that amusement park on the way to my Grandparents place. Guess I won’t be trashing my VHS copy, then.
Oct. 10, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST
glad to hear they are giving this one its due
As another poster said, this movie has been the inspiration for everything Rob Zombie has done (albeit much lesser versions) and it’s high time it got its due. I would put it up there as one of, if not the best horror sequel of all time. It has the same cringe inducing moments that the original had, but with a disarming humor that makes the whole thing seem far more insane than you would ever expect. I grew up watching and quoting this one with my punk listening, hard partying, horror loving friends and I’ll be adding this DVD to my collection (along with the VHS version I’ve had for years).
Oct. 10, 2006, 9:23 a.m. CST
DAWG WILL HUNT!!!
yeah, now I know what I’m doing when I get off work. My bologna has a first name, it’s b-e-s-t, my bologna has a second name, its b-u-y….
Oct. 10, 2006, 9:25 a.m. CST
Thanks for sharing thoughts about this great movie. Clover also discusses its merits in Men Women and Chainsaws (whatever you think of that book, it’s still just nice to read about this and I Spit On Your Grave taken seriously.)
You didn’t mention my favorite line, the one that keeps me pulling this one off the shelf every so often, when the cook gets chainsawed in the ass and expresses relief that now he won’t have to go to the hospital to have his hemrrhoids taken care of…
Oct. 10, 2006, 9:31 a.m. CST
Has anyone noticed how much Devil’s Rejects Apes this?
Seriously, I love Rejects, but when I saw this movie (admittedly after Rejects) I was amazed at how similar it is.
Rejects is damn near a note for note remake of this film! Its incredible.
Oct. 10, 2006, 9:42 a.m. CST
Stunning observation! You should be an internet film critic!
Oct. 10, 2006, 10:31 a.m. CST
Finally, one of my fave college movies gets some love!
This was a hoot when my friends and I saw it in the theater, and I’ve been waiting for the Special Edition treatment on DVD for ages now. Like Vern says, this movie is very brutal and sick, BUT the *humor* is gut-busting. (Pardon the pun.) I should be receiving this in the mail today, and it’s going into my Friday night stack.
Hmmm, I just realized: my double-feature for this weekend is going to be “Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2″… and “The Little Mermaid”. Perhaps I’ve got… issues?
Oct. 10, 2006, 10:37 a.m. CST
Sorry, off topic but…
Is one of those Rebel Troop figures (doll?) based on Dante from Clerks? I don’t remember anyone rocking the goatee in SW…
Oct. 10, 2006, 11 a.m. CST
I like Vern’s negative reviews better
They should’ve called this movie THE PARIS, TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE… that might have made it worth seeing. Seriously, you dropped the ball on this one, Vern. This movie blows.
Oct. 10, 2006, 11:30 a.m. CST
Haven’t seen the flick, one of these days I might.
Oct. 10, 2006, 12:37 p.m. CST
I’d forgotten how much I liked this film. Will have to dust off my old DVD. Was hooked on this one after that decapitation scene at the start
Oct. 10, 2006, 12:38 p.m. CST
Vern, Ray Liotta eats his own brains.
by Sir HickoryBeans McCrackin
in that Silence of the Lambs sequel with the chick from The Forgotten (where people are getting all sucked up into the sky randomly). And he does it oh so casually! with a fork.
Oct. 10, 2006, 12:41 p.m. CST
Vern just sold me on this.
of course, i did wear out my vhs copy along with Evil Dead 2…
Oct. 10, 2006, 12:48 p.m. CST
Ugly cover is UGGGGGGGGGGGGGLY!!!
I’d buy this without hesitation if it weren’t for that piece of shit cover “art”work. The way it is I’ll just borrow it from a friend. Fucking MGM dumbasses, no wonder they went bankrupt before.
Oct. 10, 2006, 12:51 p.m. CST
Vern, you better appreciate TCM: THE BEGINNING because
without the piece of shit prequel there wouldn’t have been this special edition of Hooper’s original. See, remakes suck and all that but they have good side effects sometimes. The DAWN OF THE DEAD remake’s success got Romero’s LAND OF THE DEAD greenlit, for another example. Now some like to hate that movie (LAND) but no matter what you say now you still wanted to see it get made and made it got, thanks to a remake.
Oct. 10, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST
Nicely done, as always, Vern.
This edition, I shall purchase.
Oct. 10, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST
I don’t see it. There is the scene in DEVIL’S REJECTS where Bill Moseley (star of both movies) puts the face on the girl in the hotel, which is obviously a deliberate CHAINSAW homage. And I guess both have a crazy cop-type after the family of killers. But note for note remake? CHAINSAW has a family of cannibals in an elaborate underground lair that gets invaded by outsiders, REJECTS they get raided by a SWAT team in the opening scene and are on the road for the rest of the movie. In Chainsaw, your sympathies are with Stretch and Lefty, in Rejects William Forsythe is so sadistic you are tricked into siding with these horrible killers. Chainsaw 2 takes place in the dark and is kind of atmospherically stylized, Rejects is drenched in sun and made to look much more realistic than its predecessor. And the whole tone of the two movies is completely different. Chainsaw 2 is a gorey horror comedy, Rejects is a make-you-feel-dirty ’70s crime movie with some underlying humor and weirdness. I like both movies, and both have Bill Moseley in them, but I don’t see where you’re getting this connection.
Oct. 10, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST
“E – X – I – T.”
Oct. 10, 2006, 1:28 p.m. CST
to Floyd Dylan
Do you know any specifics of the “crappy R-rated version” you refer to? I know in the old days when I saw it on VHS it was an R-rated cut that didn’t have as much of the head hammering or the scene where Bubba puts L.G.’s face on Stretch. But those were intact in both the previous release of this and the new one. The previous one was labeled R, 100 minutes, this one is labeled unrated, 101 minutes. But I kind of suspect they’re the same unrated cut and they labeled it wrong before. Let me know if you know otherwise.
Oct. 10, 2006, 1:40 p.m. CST
Hey, Music Lover
the only remote use for TCM2 was that it gave late 80’s prototype-rave band S’Xpress a whole load of interesting lines to sample on such gems as “Theme From S’Express” and “Hey Music Lover”.
i have an irrational obsession with chainsaw films, and yet this one is dull, boring and insipid. if you put a dog turd in a shiny box and name it a “special edition dog turd”, nothing changes the fact that it is a dog turd.
Oct. 10, 2006, 2:34 p.m. CST
I personally never sided with the Rejects in “Devil’s Rejects”. I was with Forsythe’s character all the way through. Those bastards deserved everything they got. Man, that was a good flick. About a million times better than “House of 1000 Corpses”.
Oct. 10, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST
goldmember was a self-cannibal
by Bob C. Cock
i can’t think of any others off the top of my head…
Oct. 10, 2006, 4:04 p.m. CST
Let me clarify that – I started to side with them only at the end when they were nailed to the chairs and he was staple gunning them. And then I felt bad about it. They are not the most likable bunch, as funny as Captain Spaulding is. Well, Tiny is kind of likable.
Oct. 10, 2006, 4:22 p.m. CST
It’s the small bussinessman who always gets it in the e
by Dark Knight Lite
Not the true classic that the original is, but still, this movie’s a hoot.
Oct. 10, 2006, 4:27 p.m. CST
I cheered when they got staple-gunned.
Seriously. And I was the only one in the room, so I guess that’s kind of weird. I suppose I saw the film as more of a vigilante justice story rather than an fugitives on the run story. Maybe that’s not what Zombie intended, but it did the trick for me.
Oct. 10, 2006, 5:42 p.m. CST
I always thought this was a great flick…
but surprisingly dated though the last time I watched it a few years ago. But I watched it countless times in high school. Chop Top is one of the most fucked up horror movie characters ever, and it one of the best film roles for Dennis Hopper as well.
Oct. 10, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST
Hey Vern! Get Us TCSM fans some All American Massacre
Maybe since your such a fan added to the fact that you have the Mighty Texan TCSM raised Harry Knowles. Well is there anyway you guys could convince Tobe to give you the 20 or so minutes of this attempted Sequel, and then You Tube the video for all us regulars to watch. I’d really like to see it… The website had a trailer with Bill Moseley doing his Chop Top routine. It’s gone now…. Tobe’s Son made it. Something went wrong and it was never finished, but Damn I sure would love to see what was filmed!
Heres the website!
Oct. 10, 2006, 7:32 p.m. CST
re: house of 1000 corpses / devil’s rejects
while watching TCM2 a few weeks ago, i noticed something kind of crazy. At the beginning, when lefty shows up at the car crash site of the two guys in the car, some police officers show up and tell lefty to leave. There’s one line where a cop is talking to another cop, and he refers to him by the same name as the cop brothers who are in house of 1000 corpses and devil’s rejects. unfortunately, i can’t remember what the name is right now, but i know it was the same. So maybe we are supposed to believe that it’s the same cop in house of 1000 corpses that was there to investigate the car crash site so many years earlier?!
has anyone else noticed this before?
Oct. 10, 2006, 8:21 p.m. CST
I haven’t seen this film.I
I haven’t seen this film.I didn’t want to besmirsch the original by diluting the level with a sequel.Part 1 still freaked me out when I got it on DVD nearly 3 years ago(I can’t bring myself to buy it again,wasn’t that edition special enough??).I’ll get this based on Vern and Rev Skarekroe’s good names and reputation.Saying that,The missing trucks at the end bothers me greedo style already just in case =0,so is the VHS version definitive now?.I feel cheated,I hate that sort of thing,the fact that somebody on the commentary mentions it caps it.http://tinyurl.com/e28j8 :>.No Gilmore girls for you Vern,Give City of God a try.
Oct. 10, 2006, 9:20 p.m. CST
It’s a fun sequel…
…in exactly the kind of way that the next two sequels, and the overly slick remake & it’s prequel weren’t. It’s not quite a classic, but it is under-appreciated, in much the same way that Romero’s Day Of The Dead was for many years, and you’ve gotta love Hopper’s batshit crazy performance.
Oct. 10, 2006, 11:09 p.m. CST
It’s the same
The unrated cut is the same as the R-rated MGM DVD that came out a bunch of years ago. I’ve just watched both of them side by side, and they’re the same cut. It was mistakenly labeled as being rated R when they released the first DVD. Vern’s right – I remember seeing the R-rated version and the unrated version within months of each other, and this is definitely the unrated version.
Oct. 11, 2006, 3:25 p.m. CST
It’s more likely that Rob Zombie was just making a TCM reference, rather than trying to establish any kind of continuity.
Oct. 14, 2006, 7:11 p.m. CST
Hells Bells, Finally!
Vern, manys a time i’ve agreed with you, and even if i haven’t i’ve given myself a damn good fistin’ far side o’ reading your screeds, but i agree whole-arsedly here. TCSM 2 is a damn masterpiece. As smart and funny a horror flick, or any flick, that’s e’er been etched in the 1:35 or whatever ratio we’re dealing with here.
Incidentally, Carol Clover talks about the flick at great length in the fuckin gorgeous Men, Women And Chainsaw book. i’d give that a peek if’n you’re interested in the Stretch / Leatherface relationship an’ what have you.
Oct. 16, 2006, 1:51 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
At least that’s my verdict after rewatching both this past weekend. Mind you, that’s not to say either is a bad film (quite the contrary, both were better than I had remembered), just that I feel 2 succeeds on a multitude of levels and, in retrospect, beyond any aspirations the film makers could possibly have had while the original is suprisingly atmospheric and immersively frightening given the encumberance of an obviously low budget and some sub-par performances. I’ve gushed a bit about 2 in this talkback already, and I owe Vern a reaction to the original (since he’s the only reason I gave it another chance) so I’ll let 2 alone for now. The things that really worked for me in TCM were: the cinematography, the fill-in-the-blanks backstory and the character of Leatherface. I’ll agree full on with Vern that Leatherface is more frightening when we don’t know exactly how he got to be the way he is or why. His family is more frightening when we can see them all working together toward a common end (the titular Massacre) without ever having them explain why. Digging too deeply into even the idea of what came before or how these people got this way robs the narrative of some of its horror. I’m thinking specifically of the characterization the remake imbues Leatherface with (granted, through another person’s explanation). It makes him more relatable, yes, but also less frightening of a figure than he is in the original. So it both adds something and takes something away. The net result of that equation is a lessening of the character’s impact during the snapshot of time the movie captures, even though it’s creating a more fully realized and grounded character — somthing that usually makes a story better so I don’t necessarily fault the film makers for trying (although it calls into question their decision in the prequel — which I haven’t seen yet — to quickly gloss over Leatherface’s actual beginnings so they can rush to what sounds like a rehash of the remake’s plot). And while I’m on Leatherface, despite the added characterization in the TCM remake, the character seemed to have more depth in the original. I remain open to the notion that this is an illusion created by my mind’s desire to fill in the blanks left by Gunnar Hansen’s suprisingly nuanced performance as this gibbering masked retard, but the effect is undeniable. Leatherface is both more frightening and more compelling in the original than he is in the remake. That said, the remake has a lot of stuff going for it. For one, I think the supporting cast is better. I just do. And it’s not all R. Lee, either (although he really does bring the film up a notch for me). I had less trouble suspending disbelief with any of the characters in the remake than I did in the original (with the obvious and unfortunate exception of Leatherface). And the look and feel of the remake is obviously more polished if less innovative and artful than Hooper’s original. So while I very much see what folks appreciate about the original and can agree that it is a great little horror film, I can’t automatically lump in a condemnation of the remake with that opinion. I think they’re (suprisingly) different movies with different strengths and shortcomings. I can and do appreciate both and will readily admit I admire the original more than the remake, but I’ll probably rewatch the remake more frequently. Of course, given the choice I’d watch TCM 2 again every time because I think it was a smarter, more fun film than either. And that’s all I have to say about that.
Oct. 17, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST
Heh, in re-reading my post…
by Childe Roland
…I see that the headline was cut off. It should’ve read: “TCM<TCM2.” Hope that helps.
Oct. 17, 2006, 1:31 p.m. CST
It did it again!
by Childe Roland
Apparently you can’t use the “less than” sign? WHat up with that? WHat I meant was TCM is not as good as TCM 2. Sheesh!