Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.
Since this showed up at my house, I’ve screened it three times. I hate that they are not putting out GRINDHOUSE together, but I really like the international cut of DEATH PROOF, and I know that sooner or later, I’ll be able to own the same thing I saw in theaters this spring. It’s just not right now, and I guess that’s just the way it fucking goes.
Vern’s got a typically strong write-up of the disc for you today, and it was nearly as much fun to read this as it was to watch the disc:
For me GRINDHOUSE was one of the great theatrical experiences of 2007. A rare modern instance of filmatists trying to put on a real show, and giving you more than your money’s worth. Two movies for the price of one, plus fake trailers – an affordable night or afternoon out. Yeah, I read about how it failed to make money for the Weinsteins, but guess what? That’s what happens when you spend decades buying other people’s movies so you can cut them, dub them, retitle them, sit them on a shelf for years, and then only allow them to be rented at Blockbuster. When you spend that long doing that many cruel and unusual things eventually your bi-yearly good deed will fail for you too. Because you are an asshole.
So in that sense GRINDHOUSE is even better than you realize at first glance. It’s a good time at the movies AND it lost money for some assholes. Two birds with one stone, in the form of two movies.
Down to business: I was one of the people who thought Rodriguez’s PLANET TERROR was kind of a fun fake movie but Tarantino’s DEATH PROOF was a good actual movie. I liked it. So that’s where I’m coming from reviewing the new DEATH PROOF dvd out today. A guy who bought the dvd because he likes the movie.
That’s right, the DEATH PROOF dvd. As opposed to the GRINDHOUSE dvd that would contain the original double feature as shown to packed houses on the outer edges of the United States. You may say wait a minute, why are these bloodsuckers releasing the two movies on dvd separately? No longer a double feature? Without even including the trailers? And as if we are so stupid that we don’t know they’re gonna release it as a double feature later?
These are all valid points and clearly those snakehearted fuckers are doing it for the money. But by accident there is a certain logic to it. Think of it this way. There have been many double features throughout time, it has rarely been a permanent state. I remember in the late ’80s for example seeing a double feature of I’M GONNA GIT YOU SUCKA and THE FLY 2. For real. So to me that’s how those movies were meant to be seen, but you can’t buy them on one DVD. A double feature is a fleeting moment in time, a limited time offer, like a Christo installation, a snow sculpture, or the “eggnog” milkshake that becomes “tom and jerry” when it’s not winter. You appreciate it when it comes around but you can’t have Christmas every day. Unless you work in one of those year round Christmas stores. In which case I hope you get paid well you poor bastard.
Also, I gotta be honest, there’s not much of a chance I would sit and watch the whole double feature again. I saw it twice in theaters but on home video how often are you gonna watch two movies in a row that are pre-programmed for you by the Weinsteins? Not often. I do like those double feature dvds with the trailers that Dark Sky puts out, but those I don’t watch the whole thing in one sitting either.
So I really can’t be too upset about it personally. Your mileage may vary. (That is not some car pun because of the movie being about cars, I am just using a common idiom.) In order to justify the separation this is the longer European cut with the “missing reel” lapdance scene and other additions. I don’t know how the fuck they’re gonna do it with PLANET TERROR since you would never want the “missing reel” to be in there, and the movie is probaly a little too long as it is. But with DEATH PROOF it seems kind of like a movie that had a bunch of different releases and you’re seeing a version with parts you never knew were cut out before.
So you got the lapdance scene, that’s self-explanatory. (if you need it explained, what happens is she gives him a lapdance.) The other most noticeable addition is a long black and white sequence at a convenience store before Rosario, Kim and Lucy McClane pick up Zoe at the airport. Nicky Katt from THE LIMEY plays the clerk. The highlight is when Stuntman Mike pretends to drop his keys so he can lick Rosario’s foot. I was surprised it was Kurt Russell’s character that did that, you’d think Tarantino’s character Warren the bartender would’ve been the one to do it. It would make no sense for him to be out there in Tennessee stalking girls in a minimart parking lot, but I’m sure he could’ve figured something out. But he didn’t, he had Stuntman Mike do it for the sake of the story. Way to take one for the team Tarantino.
I liked seeing this scene, but I didn’t really think it needed to be in the movie. I especially didn’t see any reason for it to be in black and white, that just seemed like screwin off. It’s a good deleted scene but it doesn’t add enough to justify how much it slows things down. On the other hand, it does make the ending make a little more sense. Knowing how long this guy has been stalking them makes it a little more believable that they would want to kill him.
There are other scenes that aren’t new but are longer. One little thing that really changes the way the story unfolds is in the first half there’s a scene where Stuntman Mike is in his car laughing sinisterly and looking at the photos of his “girlfriends.” It kind of reminds me of MANIAC or one of those other early ’80s stalker movies. I liked in the theatrical cut that there really wasn’t an acknowledgment that he was evil until he turned left when Rose MacGowan wanted to turn right. You’d seen his car looking ominous but that could’ve always been a trick, he could turn out to be the guy who protects the girls from the slasher. In this “Extended and Unrated” cut you know that can’t happen because you see him cackling and collecting spy photos early on. The cat is out of the bag.
My favorite addition for this cut is in the Earl McGraw scene in the middle, the bridge between the two halves of the movie where he explains the concept that car crashes are “the only way that degenerate sonofabitch can shoot his goo.” The scene is a little longer and includes a part where he brings up the possibility of investigating Stuntman Mike, dogging him like Dr. Loomis, but he decides against it. I won’t give away the joke, but there’s some good new lines, it’s always good to see that character.
I know you’re supposed to want to see the longer, uncut version, but sometimes shorter is better. DAWN OF THE DEAD for example, the long one from Cannes is nice but I go for the theatrical cut. History repeats itself here, I liked the shorter version better. It was more efficient. The long one doesn’t ruin it though. I still like it.
The transfer looks real nice, whatever the process he’s using to make it look like a cheap ’70s movie at the beginning, it looks even better on here. If you like the movie like I do the extras are pretty good too, definitely better than on those KILL BILL dvds. (hey bloodsuckers, when you gonna double dip us on those?) The best is a feature on “The Legendary Drivers of DEATH PROOF.” One particular shot they talk about involves 3 generations of stunt drivers plus Zoe Bell on the hood of the car. In context it’s a cool shot but not one that would necessarily jump out at you, so it’s cool to see them explain the significance of it to the stunt drivers.
There’s also one called “The Guys of DEATH PROOF,” which talks about some of these actors you forget are even in the movie since you pay more attention to the girls, and should be ashamed of yourself. I heard Eli Roth interviewed a while back and he told the story of filming the scene where he makes fun of Stuntman Mike (“he cut himself falling out of his time machine”) and it’s funny because they actually show footage of it happening and everything is pretty much exactly how Roth told the story, including Russell throwing nachos at him and Roth proclaiming THE THING his favorite movie of all time.
The extra I was most excited for was “Quentin’s Greatest Collaborator: Sally Menke.” Unfortunately it’s not a real thorough study or retrospective on her editing. But it is kind of amusing. It starts with Tarantino singing Menke’s praises and ends with a long montage of takes where the DEATH PROOF actors turn to the camera and say “Hi Sally.” The best is Zoe Bell saying it from the hood of the VANISHING POINT Charger.
As usual for Tarantino, no commentary. Guess he’s not much of a talker. Real shy. It’s not an overwhelming amount of extras, and they have the balls to list the trailer for DOUBLE DARE (really good Zoe Bell-featuring documentary about stuntwomen) as a special feature. But it’s a good dvd. If you like the movie.
And alot of you hate the movie. I know when the double feature came out, DEATH PROOF was by far the least popular in the talkbacks. I didn’t take alot of you seriously because you were calling the characters bitches and cunts, but there were plenty of reasonable people who didn’t like it. And at least one of you asked me to explain why, exactly, I did like it.
I may be a charming fella but I’m not gonna be able to talk anybody into liking it. I will say a few things though on its behalf. (And before you say this review is too long, fuck you, you got eyes, you knew what you were getting into, and I thoughtfully divided it into three parts so you’d have plenty of chances to take the coward’s way out.) One of the complaints I heard was that it supposedly didn’t fit the “grindhouse” theme it was advertised under. I disagree. I took it as a tribute to movies like TWO LANE BLACKTOP, artier independent car movies marketed with their exploitation elements. (This cover even fits that, they show off the female curves and the box is made to look beat up and “grindhouse” but it also has the logo for “Festival de Cannes Official Selection.”) Those arty car movies tend to be dry and quiet though, this is kind of in the other direction, lots of talking before the car chase at the end.
And it’s true, especially watching it the third time around, alot of that talking is not as funny or interesting as what they’re talking about in the other Tarantino movies. That’s a fair criticism. Jungle Julia especially starts to seem a little too full of herself with her soliloquy about Butterfly and her poem and lapdance situation.
But people that hate it don’t acknowledge how the dialogue does its job under the radar. In the first half these discussions set up all the slasher movie expectations – we learn that our heroines smoke weed and drink booze, they like boys, they flaunt their sexuality, they’re going to a cabin, and Butterfly refrains from going all the way with her date. Visually, Tarantino emphasizes that she should be the “final girl” who survives at the end. She’s the only one who notices him following them, the only one afraid of him. So it seems like they should go out to the cabin and be picked off one by one until Butterfly pulls it together and, say, runs over Mike while yelling that poem menacingly.
Instead he kills them all in one crash, running down the whole slasher movie formula. Whoops, start over.
Then there’s the bridge with Earl McGraw which is like the end of PSYCHO, the explanation of the psychology of the character. (That’s the comparison that came to mind when I saw it, and Tarantino uses it in the extras on the DVD. dude, I’m totally on the same page as Tarantino, I must really GET IT! That’s the problem, you guys just don’t GET IT like I do. People who GET IT get it, why can’ t you?)
In the second half the conversations are more important because they’re setting up what’s really gonna happen instead of what you’re supposed to think is gonna happen. For example, there’s a funny conversation that establishes that Kim has a gun, and that she’s happy to use it. That she believes in killing someone who tries to harm her. And there’s the story about Zoe falling into the ditch that establishes the spectacular car chase scene that’s pretty much the reason for the movie.
The car gets to star in the poster, but to me Zoe Bell is the star of DEATH PROOF. She’s the main thing that makes it special. I have no doubt that if she looked like some Bratz doll and was on the O.C. even you “haterz” would be sacrificing animals at her altar. Instead she looks like a normal person. But she’s not a normal person. She’s Xena flying through the air on fire, she’s Beatrix Kiddo running up that handrail in the House of Blue Leaves, she’s Zoe the Cat falling in the ditch and not getting hurt, she’s fucking DEATH PROOF, as much the reason for the title as Stuntman Mike’s car is. I think what Tarantino did was brilliant, to take this likable woman and turn her into an actress to create the weird circumstance of now seeing this same woman who we have been hanging out with actually, for real, put in this death-defying situation. The car chase is great, the crashes are great, the old school way it’s all staged and filmed is great, the organic has-CGI-even-been-invented-yet?-feel is great– but it’s Zoe, in the middle, on the hood, clinging on for dear life, and then later picking up a metal rod and jumping on the side of the car, ready to beat the hell out of Stuntman Mike and his death proof car – that’s DEATH PROOF.
Okay, maybe you don’t like it. Can we at least agree on MACHETE? You motherfuckers want our money, you need to hurry up and make MACHETE!
peace in the middle east and etc.,
Originally posted at Ain’t-It-Cool-News: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34089
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Sept. 18, 2007, 5:52 a.m. CST
Sept. 18, 2007, 5:54 a.m. CST
I’m not really interested in Death Proof.
QT Lost me after Kill Bill.
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST
I’ll tell ya what I wasnt thrilled about Vern
It’s quite simple really. First and foremost I wanted to see more of Kurt Russell actually being a “slasher”. He had a few scenes, but ultimately it seemed a random hodgepodge of girls ended up being the stars, and said girls range from really interesting to compeltely unmemorable. They’re too inconsistent. Also their conversations go on absolutely forever, especially that diner sequence, which brings the film to screeching halt when tarantino take 15 minutes to say what could easily take three to five. It’s obvious that he has such apersonal attachment to these actresses that he could watch the read the phonebook, butt hat doesn’t mean he has to subject us to it. it’s well acted and the dialogue is organic, but as my friend in the theater sitting next to me said “Get to the point Tarantino.” Meanwhile you have the brilliant character in Stuntman Mike just going completely to waste. Just when he starts to really ramp up, the script turns and makes him the victim. WHich, don’t get me wrong, was absolutely brilliant and hilarious and one of the best parts of the movie, but I felt he had some more maniacal dimension to explore before we got to that point. So Tarantino is right when he says it’s a slasher and a girl revenge flick, but by being both at the same time it is a master of neither.
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:08 a.m. CST
“buying other people’s movies”
Vern, great review. Funny stuff. But i disagree with this point. Certainly, some of Harvey Scissorhands editing choices have sucked.
BUT, when they buy the rights to these movies, they have the right to make these changes. The movies do not just belong to these ‘other people’ anymore. The American market – and by that I mean the moviegoing masses, many of whom like martial arts movies but are not hardcore fans – is different to the Asian market.
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:15 a.m. CST
For such a film geek
by Bob Muttonchops
His movies sure do have terrible DVDs
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:26 a.m. CST
I don´t know why
But i liked Death Rroof. Maybe is Kurt Russell´s fault.
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:28 a.m. CST
Death proof an ‘actual movie’?
I never got that. I saw a movie about a bunch of text-messaging chicks that go to a bar and got killed by this psycho. Then halfway in the movie we get a new ‘movie’/episode whatever, about a whole new bunch of chicks who are about to get killed by same phycho, but this time they fight back. end.
i’ll take planet terror any day of the fucking week
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:29 a.m. CST
“It’s a good deleted scene but it doesn’t add enough to justify how much it slows things down.”
Apply liberally, repeat.
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:34 a.m. CST
I remember Tarantino on the old Dennis Miller show
Back when he and Clooney were running around joined at the hip. Clooney was the guest, but someone from the audience made a crack about Tarantino. Clooney did a: “want me to go get him, I’ll go get him and you’ll regret it” sorta build up. It was hard to tell if it was a set up, or Clooney was kidding, or what, but it was a really cool moment. You just knew that if Tarantino came out he was going to eviscerate that heckler.
Then he did come out, and his rant was really lame.
Lotta buildup and hype for a lot of nothing……
Sign of things to come
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:36 a.m. CST
remains the best part of this whole fucking debacle. I will buy Death Proof and enjoy Zoe Bell being Zoe Bell. Yet; I would rather be watching the goofiness of Planet Terror.
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST
by barnaby jones
I watched DP last night and i have to say i’m in 100% agreement with you. I’d like to go back and see see the original version.
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST
The double feature seems custom made…
to watch at home. People don’t want to sit in a movie theater for three fucking hours, they want to sit at home for three fucking hours with some pretzels and beer that don’t cost fifty bucks. Damn bloodsuckers!
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:53 a.m. CST
Tarantino turns down “Heroes” in ignorant fashion
by Mr Incredible
From The Sun September 13, 2007:
FILMMAKER Quentin Tarantino has dabbled with psychos in Natural Born Killers and assassins in Reservoir Dogs – but it seems he can’t suspend his belief enough to work with superpowers.
The cult director has turned down the opportunity to direct an episode of hit TV show Heroes – because he’s never watched the series.
Quentin – who also gave us Kill Bill and Pulp Fiction – admits he has snubbed numerous offers by bosses of the superhero programme because he isn’t a fan.
He said: “They were trying to get me to do one. I haven’t even seen the f***ing show.
“What the f*** is Heroes?”
Yeah, right. Maybe he should move his face from the coke table, and watch TV once in a while. Have a nice day.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST
I got it!
Movie was great and so was Zoe, hope when the release the both movies together they don’t add more stuff to them. This only should be the ultimate collection of the movie.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST
why the fuck should anyone watch T.V.?
by Geek Sodomizer
Fuck Heroes. And this movie rocked. No the dialogue and script wasn’t anything special compared to Pulp Fiction and yes the girl’s chatter does get boring on repeat viewings but I still loved the movie as a whole. My favorite Tarantino movies in order are Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill 1, Death Proof, Kill Bill 2.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST
Alright! Even more scenes with women talking!
Extended conversations about nothing! Yeah!
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST
Best Tarantino flick.
Search your heart and you’ll know it to be true.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST
Good T.V. > Most movies nowadays..
Why the fuck would anyone watch T.V.? LOST, THE WIRE, THE SHIELD, HEROES, BSG, DEXTER are just a few reasons why. And the girl’s chatter was boring on the first viewing. Bring on Planet Terror or the true Grindhouse double feature and I might care.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST
Man oh man!
by Wogga Wogga
mostly totally overbearingly booooring. The scenes with Stuntman Mike was good, but all the women talking CRAP for minutes at end for no reason whatsoever just bored the hell outta me. It was like watching the complete works of Shakespeare – in Martian and in slowmotion.
The last car chase was utter (there is no other word for it) shit. Which also summarizes 90% of the whole movie. The last 30 minutes felt like seven hours for fuck sake. Tarantino is a has-been. Has been ever since before Kill Bill. His best work is behind him. Ahead lies only shit. Sad but true. I’m self censoring myself as to the female leads. Suffice to say that Oprah looks more appealing than they do. Apart from Rose.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST
when they release both movies together they don’t add more stuff to them too, and that they put them on seperate disks, and that the Death Proof disk actually unspools and is made of a soft, slightly absorbant material which won’t chafe my tuccus and doesn’t clog my apartment’s upon flushing.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST
Time to bring back “but Kurt Russell was laughing…”
I miss that catchphrase.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST
“Shown to Packed Houses?”
Certainly not packed with people.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST
Saw the film last week with QT present (me and QT we go back). Anyway really enjoyed the film. I actually enjoyed the talking scenes as much as the last car chase, those scenes just seemed real, a few chicks hanging around bulshitting and drinking. Loved the soundtrack also, one of QT’s best. Can’t wait to see Grindhouse in all it’s glory although it looks like I will have to catch that on dvd.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST
is the worst movie I’ve seen this year. Even Hannibal Rising was better than this; Kurt Russell is the coolest man alive, but even he couldn’t save this pointless film. It’s not that it was horribly made, I’m not sure Quentin is capable..it’s that it was horribly written. But worse, it defines the word BORING.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST
Tarantino = hack
by Thick McRunFast
Kinda sad that geeks are still fellating someone who peaked 13 years ago with PULP FICTION. Yes, Quentin, you love 70’s exploitation flicks; we get it, already.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST
what’s wrong with turning down a show he’s never seen?
heroes is like a like a really hot chick you go on a date with and then when you manage to finally get her in the sack, it turns out she has a penis…yeah fuck heroes…
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST
..but what bothered me most was what I loved about Quentin in the 90’s. His love of things retro. He veered away from it a bit in Kill Bill—and I started to get excited about his work again. But the pointless dialougue, the constant ‘soundtrack’ placement in Deathproof. It was just too distracting, and I couldn’t WAIT for Kurt to kill these girls—just to shut them up. Like Shymalan, I fear that Tarantino may be best writing from source material, or letting someone direct HIS material. Deathproof, despite Kurt Russell, is absolute garbage.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST
Are the faux trailers included?
You didn’t mention anything about the trailers. I loved Death Proof but I don’t think a longer cut is necessary. I thought it was a bit too long the first time I saw it and there are certainly entire scenes that I will never watch twice (e.g., the women sitting around the table babbling). I’m psyched that this is finally on DVD though.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST
A great steaming pile of cinematic shit.
To say that this movie is overhyped is fucking collosal understatement. IndustryKiller hit the nail on the head. There’s too much of the chicks blabbering on about fuck all; and yes i get that Tarantino usually puts that kinda dialog into his movies but it’s usually interesting or humorous, this was neither. There was also a poor use of Kurt Russel who could have been a fucking brilliant slasher; one for the annals film history. In short, the premise was brilliant but the execution was poor. I’ve never been so bored watching ANY movie before. Total fucking crap.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST
Sometimes the theatrical cut is just better
by Spandau Belly
I always feel bad about saying that, too. I always feel like there’s no way some studio would ever know better than the bloke who concieved and filmed the movie, but it happens.
Strangely, I really feel that way about Terminator 2: The Judgement Day. I like those scenes with John and Termie getting fast food and talking about humanity and learning how to smile, but they totally throw off the pacing and more is sometimes just too much. But I really like how through non-Blu Ray, non-HD, plain-ol’-regular DVD magic they give you the choice of which cut you’d like to view on one DVD! That was brilliant! Same with my Alien Tetrology box set. Power to the people.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST
What tarintino did to stuntman mike at the end…
by lex romero
…of the film was unforgiveable.
He goes from being this cool hardass, to an embarresing, snivelling wimp. It seemed completely out of character and took away any threat or danger in the final chase. All the female cast were unlikeable and i didn’t care what happened to them.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST
John Tucker Must Die = better version of Death Proof
by Spandau Belly
Sad but true.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST
Too bad this wasn’t popular
It would have been interesting to see them make Grindhouse into a series, having different directors try the double feature. But yet we get 8 films becoming a repeat idea? Those movies all sucked.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST
I want a Grindhouse DVD!
Kind of misses half the point when you split the films up and remove the trailers.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST
No, the trailers aren’t there
and they aren’t on Planet Terror either…except for Machete. At least I didn’t see them on the review copy I got. And that sucks ass.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST
Nice one, Vern.
Almost makes up for that mess you called a Transformers review. I’ll be buying this on Friday.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST
Kill Bill: The Whole Bloody Affair is listed on Amazon as having a Dec. 25th release date.
Since you asked.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST
I liked what Tarantino did to Stuntman Mike at the end of the film. He’s a real tough guy when he is in his car and has helpless girls at his mercy, but like all bullies when the tables are turned and he is actually hurt he loses all his machoness and becomes a snivelling wreck….makes a great change from your usual unstoppable movie psychos
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST
Death Proof would’ve been better
by Samuel Fulmer
with a little less inane dialogue. I give QT credit though, at least he’s not afraid to tackle different genres. It may not have worked, but at least he’s getting away from the hit men and Hong Kong crap.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST
Zoe Bell is awesome
if you like looking at mannish chicks with penises. This movie failed, because by the end I just wanted all the obnoxious, superficial chicks to die horrible, horrible deaths. As did the audience with whom I watched the movie (the collective “damns” gave it away everytime one of the ladies failed to be run over).
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST
Sam Fulmer is right…
Lots of inane dialogue. Deathproof was a lot fo what’s great and what’s bad about QT. But I liked it in general. A better film than PT. People seemed surprised that they failed at the box office, but think about it, the filmmakers weren’t exactly targeting a large demographic. They were making a movie for lovers of crappy movies.
Sept. 18, 2007, 9 a.m. CST
“Maybe he should move his face from the coke table and
by Thunderbolt Ross
watch TV once in a while.”
Yes, TV – how could you not watch it? Get off your LAZY ASS and WATCH TV like most active, engaged Americans! Get out there and get some culture, Tarantino!
Sept. 18, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST
Grow up, Quentin!
Go out and make a real and original movie! Stop copying your favourite movies from 30-40 years ago and PLEASE stop filling the blank script pages with annoying, overlong nonsense dialogue. Ask the Coen Brothers how they write their dialogue. Y’know, it’s entertaining AND important for the movie! And get new friends. REAL friends, not yes-men.
I don’t know if you are a nice guy or the asshole that everybody says you are, so it’s nothing personal when I say: I hope that the Death Proof DVD and your next movie tank so hard, that the Weinsteins will take away most of your creative freedom and tell you what to do. I don’t think that they can make your movies worse than they already are.
Thank you. Again: Nothing personal.
Sept. 18, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST
I Love Death Proof.
and Zoe is actually better looking then anyone in it too.I saw them all at Comic Con 2006 and Zoe is drop dead Georgious,where the other girls are very attractive.Marley Shelton coming at a close second.
Plus the 2nd half was better then all of planet terror.
Sept. 18, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST
Horrible Fucking Movie – Putrid Spew
of Satan is what it is, garbage.
Sept. 18, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST
Death Proof Was Great
by Birdys Piano Teacher
Tarantino is a far better director than Rodriguez. And I’ll always be interested in his dialogue, which no one else can touch.
Sept. 18, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST
Death Proof was excellent
by Osmosis Jones
Hopefully seperating it from the hyperbolic cartoonishness of Planet Terror (which I enjoyed a hell of a lot on it’s own wavelength) will allow people to appreciate it’s slow burn pleasures. Zoe Bell rocks!
Sept. 18, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST
The worst part of Death Proof:
by Billy Batts
So you’re being followed at high speeds by a lunatic trying to knock your friend off the hood of your car? What should you do? STOP THE FUCKING CAR and let your friend take take 2 seconds to get off the hood and get back in the car. Jesus. You lost him like 3 times yet you didn’t slow down for one goddamn second. I can’t believe this didn’t piss anyone else off.
Sept. 18, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST
My problem with Death Proof
The problem I had with the whole Grindhouse feature (and Death Proof in particular) was that after Planet Terror which cut straight to the chase with action and never really let up, Death Proof kind of dragged before getting to the good bits. I think if they’d switched the two (despite DP having the better ending) I’d prbably have enjoyed it more.
Oh well, I still have the DVD sitting in front of me here at work, waiting for me to take it home and watch it.
Sept. 18, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST
According to Stuff magazine (not very reliable), Machete will be out around december/january on dvd. Something for us all to look forward to. And Rodriguez is directing it.
Sept. 18, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST
awesome cars & Zoe Bell
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST
Death Proof >>> 300
I’ll take brainy diner conversation of a table of chicks in tight t-shirts over monosyllabic dunderheads tossing spears at mutants in slo-mo any day of the week.
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST
what a funny review
No really, it cracked me up in a few places. Especially the bit about Tarantino’s shyness. *sigh* What can I say? I liked Death Proof too. I didn’t like Planet Terror at all really. But the idea that they’re releasing them separately just seems more whorish than any other DVD double-dipping situation I can think of. I mean supposedly the whole purpose was to make chopped up Grindhouse movies for a certain movie going experience. But now you’ve got two complete and probably coherent movies? Okay. The fact that the trailers aren’t on it just speaks volumes about the motivations here. Had they released a bare bones DVD with the presentation we saw in theaters now and then released the completed versions of Death Proof and Planet Terror separately for Christmas with a handful of cheesy extras, I wouldn’t say anything. That would make total sense. But this is like calling us retards as they’re lifting our wallets. I won’t be abused.
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST
He lost me at “filmatists”
Remember when people could write in English and actually had something to say?
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST
by ripper t. jones
Thank you brother, for saying what I’ve been wondering since the piece of shit was released.
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST
Tarantino’s only fault is sometimes he’s self-indulgent
great director who sometimes bores the hell out of audiences (see jackie brown). hope he starts making real movie then.
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST
i liked his 70s exploit movie more when it was called..
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST
bluelou_boyle, you gotta be fucking kidding.
Why should we cater to the lowest cultural common denominator? What’s wrong with exposing people to cinematic “languages” which are different from our own?
By your rationale, when The Godfather showed in India, it would have been perfectly OK to edit in song-and-dance numbers so that the Punjabi crowd would “get it”. Sure, it might have made more money, but it’s still fucking movie rape.
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST
I’ll give this a second chance rental
Maybe after the goofy goopy gore of Planet Terror, and those great trailers, Death Proof was a comedown in the theatre. On its own, I’ll give it a second chance, but I echo just about every negative post above. And I have loved just about everythings QT has done so far. And wheres the love for Jackie Brown?
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST
QT turned down “Heroes”?
Good. That WB reject and its high-school-play production values doesn’t deserve him.
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST
What Grindhouse needed was a time machine…
by Alonzo Mosely
So we could have got Res Dogs era Tarantino and el mariachi era Rodriguez, given them a couple of million each and had them make the movies… Maybe that would have had some relation to the concept of the 70s exploitation/grindhouse/drive-in type movie. Rather than getting two well known, Hollywood veterans to do it…
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST
And what is the iconic image of Grindhouse
Say what you will about Rodriguez and Planet Terror, but the image of the woman with a automatic rifle for a leg is something that sticks in the ‘ol mind. Talk about female empowerment, with a big phallic gun for a leg.
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST
Death Proof === 300
Both looked good in the previews and were boring as hell. The idea of each movie was better in theory than the actual execution. Both left me wanting those two hours of my life back.
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST
Why no English subtitles for Tarantino DVD’s?
You would think as masturabatory as he gets with writting dialogue that having his DVD’s released with English subtitles would be a must.
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST
THE BLOODSUCKERS WON’T GET MY MONEY!!
Well at least not for this one… but they will for PLANET TERROR, that one was SO much better!! I’ll netflix this DEATH PROOF, watch it once and I’m guessing that will be the last time I waste my time on it ever again. God bless Netflix.
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST
“Tarantino’s only fault: sometimes he’s self-indulgent”
by Pound Sand
Oh man, that’s so perfectly written.
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST
QT Did CSI
Doesn’t anyone remember that interesting two parter? I thought it was ok, didn’t really notice a QT feel to it. Its hard for famous directors to make shows their own unless they help create them. Like Steven did with Columbo!
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST
Perhaps Not Necessarily QT’s Fault
I am a massive QT fan, but I enjoyed Planet Terror a lot more than I enjoyed Death Proof. There was so much greatness in DP, I wanted to enjoy it more than I did. What turned me off the most seems to be a common complaint: It was a chore to listen to those girls talk. QT defends these scenes with some quote about putting up his dialogue against Preston Sturges’ anyday – I don’t know if I’d go that far, but I do not think the writing in DP is why these scenes are a turn-off. I think the blame lies in the fact that “QT Dialogue” has become such a pervasive and ubiquitous pop-cultural reference point in and of itself that it is near impossible to act QT dialogue without “doing” QT dialogue. Similar to the way so many hack comedians do a standard “impression” of Di Nero or William Shatner – a genuine interpretation becomes near impossible since we’ve all been so saturated by the “hack” versions. When the great actors in Dogs and Pulp were originally interpreting QT’s material, a real magical synergy occurred. Those actors genuinely infused their performances with their character, not the act of “doing QT dialogue” because “doing QT dialogue” didn’t exist yet. In Death Proof, not that these girls aren’t talented, but it seems impossible that these young actresses who grew up in the age of QT dialogue saturation would be able to NOT “do QT”. THAT is why it is difficult to watch – as actors, they are not creating real characters because they are too busy doing what they think “doing QT dialogue” means – as if using a heavily accetuated “fucking” as an adjective is enough to evoke a character. To QT’s credit, it IS enough to evoke recognition of “doing QT dialogue” but we do not get that magical synergy when both the thrill and fun of QT dialogue is matched with an earnest performance like Travolta’s or Tierney’s. The girls in DP were charismatic, and the dialogue was no more or less arbitrary that in QT’s more revered works – but the girls’ performances in DP came off like a bad comedian who thinks that All…you…HAVE TO DO, to…do a…CAPTAIN KIRK…impression is…speak…HALTINGLY, and…accent…seemingly…RANDOM…words… If it would have been possible for QT to cast actresses who had never seen a QT film or a film biting QT’s style (and another testament to QT’s greatness, it would not have been) I think the results would have been a lot more enjoyable.
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST
My name is Athena, my birthday is february 9th, then I’ll be four years old. 123
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST
One word for Death Proof: BOOOORING!!!
Tarantino is overrated not very original
Sept. 18, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
The only thing you’ve got wrong is, Harry will be getting them for free.
Sept. 18, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST
I think Weintein paid for his honeymoon as well
by Stuntcock Mike
His HD-DVD player at least.
Sept. 18, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST
Who the fuck is Weintien?
by Stuntcock Mike
Let’s try Weinstein
Sept. 18, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST
Moriarty, you must have a huge vagina to have watched
by future help
it 3 times.
Sept. 18, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST
People were asking me why I was so fucking pissed about the releasing they are doing of Grindhouse when I got freebies of the films. I could give a fuck. The fact is, if they would have released them the way they should have, I would have bought them.
It’s BS, and I’m curious to see if Rob Zombie knows his trailer is lost to the ether, because he was stoked about that flick.
I just can’t believe it, that the whole point of the thing, trailers and all, is just blown to shit.
It’s crap and it’s unfair to the fans, to ream them like this.
The fact is, even Rodriguez said that he humped to make Planet Terror under budget because he wanted to have enough left for Tarantino to make his movie.
So my question to the Weinsteins is this…prove to me your flick lost money. Because as I see it, the only BIG name you had to pay was Kurt Russell. Willis did his part for free. The special effects weren’t that rampant, and were mainly in Rodriguez’s movie, and he’s the master of low budget.
So I find it hard to believe that they lost the hunk of cash they say they did. This is just flat out greed. And the fans pay the price for their Quad Release Millenium Special Packaging Uber Elite Speical Edition if they want to get the damn thing the way it was meant to be seen.
Sept. 18, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST
by lucky slevin
You nailed it Vern. thanks for that vernacular head shot to all those who backtalk deathproof
Sept. 18, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST
I said: “Ask the Coen Brothers how they write their dialogue.” I accept what you say, but I was saying that every single word written by the Coens has been much smarter, entertaining and better written, than all that Tarantino came ever up with. (Especially when he just steals lines from other movies, like the “My name is Buck, I’m here for a fuck” in Kill Bill) So that part of my post was just about the dialogue.
WAIT A SECOND!!! I’m glad I got interrupted, before I posted this, because I just remembered the beginning of Reservoir Dogs. A great introduction of all important characters and hilarious as hell! Great stuff. Too bad that he never reached that level again.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST
Vanishing Point Challenger
Not Charger. Stuntman Mike’s second car was a Charger though. The girls were drivng a Challenger. Remember, we’re geeks… the details are everything.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST
true grindhouse exp. even possible?
beside the obvious notion of the atmosphere, will it even be possible for a true double feature GRINDHOUSE experience at home? What i’m saying is can you fit PT & the fake trailer & DP ALL on one disc so that you don’t have to get up and change the disc? i am uneducated on the format wars (HD vs Blu-Ray) but damn that a lot of info for one disc. if this the case, than what is the big deal about 2 seperate disc? The trailers? This is where we are getting screwed IMO.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST
God, what a beautiful creature. I would have her babies in a heartbeat.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST
Just kidding Vern ;)
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST
Tarantino’s “Heroes” episode summerized:
-We see the heroes all chilling around a table at a diner having a 15 minute conversation about drugs.
-About 45 shots of Hayden Panettiere’s bare feet.
-About 20 shots of Masi Oka licking her feet.
-Ali Larter shooting up before putting on an internet show where she gets anally raped by Sylar.
-And the show ends where it began.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST
INDUSTRYKILLER: That’s very well put. I can see where you’re comin from on that. I think the treatment of Stuntman Mike is clearly intentional, it’s a play on your expectations, much like DePalma would do. It’s a structure that makes you expect a series of murders and for Stuntman Mike to have this power of the women. But then it pulls the carpet from underneath you, it focuses on the would-be victims and turns Mike into a crying sissy.
And I like that. But as a fan of traditional slasher movies I certainly would’ve dug the straightahead version it sets up too.
BLUELOU: I can’t agree with that. Are you an American and if so do you prefer Asian movies to be renamed “The Warrior”, have some 50 Cent on the soundtrack and be half an hour shorter, dubbed into English and six years old by the time you see them? We as movie fans want the original version. All the other companies have learned that, when are the fucking Weinsteins gonna catch up? But the worse problem is actually the shelving of movies. If they’re too busy to release them they should give them to somebody else who has the time.
WINDOWLICKER: I say “actual movie” because to me it was characters and stories that I cared about leading up to an amazing action sequence. PLANET TERROR was fun (for a while) but it was about as solid as a balloon made of rice paper. The characters were all homages and parodies, not actual characters. My feeling is Rodriguez made an homage to a genre, Tarantino tried to make a new entry in the genre.
ZARLES: Glad you liked it, but I would have to say this one was rushed. TRANSFORMERS was a way better piece of reviewing on my part. Maybe go back and read that one a couple more times you will see what I’m talkin about.
DIGITALCOS: You’re right, sorry I fucked that up.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST
I’m the world’s biggest Tarantino fan, but…
Death Proof is BORING as shit. Fuck. I never got the hate for KILL BILL although I will admit that it’s not nearly the film PULP FICTION or TRUE ROMANCE or RESERVOIR DOGS was. I even kind of like JACKIE BROWN in a “I’ll probably never actually sit through it again” sort of way, but DEATH PROOF is awful. Is Q losing his touch or has he just gotten too lazy? Every other year he’s talking about some movie he may or may not ever make. I dunno about the man. Having met him in person and seeing what an asshole he really is, and knowing how he ripped off so many of his old friends for ideas (Craig Hamann, Avary, etc.), I think his current creative bankruptcy may just be karma finally kicking him in his fat ass.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST
oh yeah, and Anchorite
good job on the release plan, that’s the funniest post I’ve seen from you.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST
I thought it was great.
It certainly wasn’t QT’s best, but it was the highlight of Grindhouse for me.
For those who found it boring, I can only imagine what you would think of a masterpiece like Yosihiru Ozu’s Tokyo Story. I shudder to think, and no, Death Proof doesn’t come close to the greatness of Tokyo Story.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST
And Zoe Bell looks like a dude
That is all.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST
“She’s a man, bay-bee”
Zoe Bell hot?
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST
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Sept. 18, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST
“I liked the shorter version”
“History repeats itself here, I liked the shorter version better. It was more efficient. The long one doesn’t ruin it though. I still like it.”
My thoughts exactly with the LOTR EEs!
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST
I really wanted to like Death Proof…
… but instead I thought it was a huge letdown. The dialogue between the girls is so mind-numbing you might find yourself in a coma before you get to the overlong car chase and lame ending. Also, why do all QT’s characters sound like a cipher for the man himself? Can he write anything without it sounding like it’s a geek in a comic store talking about his prestine copy of Green Lantern #1? I was really hoping this movie would be a cross between Death Race 2000 and Mad Max 2 with gritty dialogue, but instead it ends up being a really stupid, pointless exercise in lowering people’s expectations of when the next QT movie comes out. All I can say is Inglorious Bastards will have to be an A+ otherwise most of us will be putting you in the Micheal Bay category, and that ain’t a good place to be. I give this movie D- for effort.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST
Sorry, but I thought it was terrible…
QT likes to think of his women as “Strong,” but in reality they were just plain annoying. The dialogue about Vanishing Point was pointless, and frankly didn’t make sense in context (none of the actresses were even born when that movie came out, and yes, I realize they could have seen it on video, but I doubt they would have). The women just sound like puppets for QT’s “clever” dialogue. Also, the “revenge” aspect made no sense, considering that there was no connection between the two groups of women. I’m one of the few who actually think Jackie Brown was a step forward (he seemed to be growing up), but when it bombed, it seems like QT got scared and regressed.
Sept. 18, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST
Edgar Wright’s DON’T was the best part. It sucks that the trailers won’t be released.
Sept. 18, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST
IMO the best movie of 07!!!
It felt like a real film, unlike most of the synthetic films of today. No CGI. Just good ol’ fashion action! As for being too slow. I must be in the minority here, but I love slow pacing and dialogue in movies. 2001 A Space Odyssey is one of my all time favorite films. Slow paced films like these are best watched alone. There more intimate experiences. Where you just focus on every little detail and really dive into the world the movie is presenting you. I really enjoyed this. All in all It’s a very refreshing film in an other wise boring Hollywood. I also think that people in general who dislike like something different, have become boring and mundane themselves. That’s right. They’ve come to expect a certain thing and when its not what they expected. They say it’s garbage. They don’t wanna soak in anything they’re watching. In other words they don’t wanna think too much. They just wanna get to the point right away. They wanna be thrilled 24/7. I blame MTV. Who created the short attention span generation.
Even if you don’t enjoy DP. You gotta give QT credit for making the film he wanted to make. This is QT having fun, not trying to make the second coming. Everyone wants the next Pulp Fiction, why? Pulp Fiction is Pulp Fiction, leave it at that. QT is trying different things. You never know what he’s gonna do next. He breaks the mold of most conventional directors. That in my book makes him one of most exciting film makers working in films today.
Sept. 18, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST
Skip to the last couple of chapters
You’ll save yourself a lot of time.
Sept. 18, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST
Deathproof & Geeks
As great as the internet is, in a strange way it destroyed what it was to be a film geek.
Geeks used to get excited to see something crazy, gory, or just plain cool looking that mainstream film producers either refused to show or just plain believed were below them. We knew these movies were far from perfect, but we loved them for their inventive ideas or no holds barred, balls to the walls visuals and action.
But with the advent of the internet and movie sites and talkbacks, all of the sudden being a film geek wasn’t about the sheer love of those “Ain’t It Cool” (I’ll be mailing off a royality check as soon as I’m done typing this) type of flicks.
Instead it turned into a competition to prove how much cooler you were than all the other geeks.
“Look at me, I’m so cool that nothing is cool to me! All these crappy directors wish they had half the insight I do as to how to make a cool movie! I will spend countless hours shitting on everything to prove to the world & myself that I am indeed cool!”
Well here’s what I have to say to all of these type of moderns geeks: FUCK YOU!!!
Yeah it’s that simple, nothing clever or interesting, just a simple FUCK YOU!!!
Instead of going out and supporting films like Grindhouse or Shoot Em Up, you let them die a quick death at the theaters & then complain about how movie studios only produce films for the mainstream.
So don’t forget to take that FUCK YOU with you before you leave, there’s plenty to go around.
Sept. 18, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST
Tarantino directs fucking CSI but passes on HEROES?
Fine with me. Get Rodriguez for an episode instead, because his style fits the series better and at least something will actually happen.
Sept. 18, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST
Your argument doesn’t make sense. True there is a lot of bashing simply for bashing’s sake that goes on here, but if you read the posts, most of these people went and saw the movie. We supported the movie. Most of us are QT fans wondering what in the hell happened to the man who made Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. Being a geek doesn’t mean you have to love every single movie these guys make just because it’s there. Death Proof was one of the laziest pieces of filmmaking I’ve ever seen. Tarantino is still my favorite director, but I’d like to see him try a little bit harder next time.
Sept. 18, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST
what you wrote really makes me anxious to watch the movie when i get out of work
Sept. 18, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST
zoe bell is the star
I just saw it for the first time and besides her and Kurt Russell it was absolute drivel. Q needs to realize not every actor can pull of the rhythms of his ” witty” dialogue. Most of the acting made me cringe.
Sept. 18, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST
Quentin’s “strong” women
I find this a little tired after kill bill. I mean, what is Q into? Women’s feet, and girls who can fight. Thats not masogonistic? Geez, how bout a strong female character that doesnt pander to male sensibilities. Fucking boring if u ask me.
Sept. 18, 2007, 3 p.m. CST
IVe figured it out…
Tarantino has become P Diddy, recklessly sampling all his faves into average films that non cinephiles think are new….Worst ending ever….Build up a great villan only to emaculate him by some foul mouthed sluts.
Sept. 18, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST
Harry and Zoe picture
Maybe instead of giving him more DVDs he doesn’t need, the studios should chip in and buy Harry some eyebrows.
Sept. 18, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST
Yes, all the hot chicks I know talk like…
40 year old movie nerds. That is sooo realistic. Props, QT. You have truly captured what it is to be a young hot 20-something woman. Bravo.
Sept. 18, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST
What also annoyed me
Count me in with the other assholes who was waiting for the second set of chicks to die. Hell, they were MORE annoying than the first set! We are shown the grizzly and awesome scene of Mike getting a KILLTACULAR, and are in anticipation of the next kill to be even more gruesome and brutal than the first… but it never comes. Gay.
Sept. 18, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST
Proof that the dialogue sucked
How many lines of dialogue can you recite from Death Proof? We can all name a shitload of great quotes from the old Tarantino movies, but how many lines from Death Proof can you quote verbatim? Seriously.
Sept. 18, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST
“I even kind of like JACKIE
by lucky slevin
“I even kind of like JACKIE BROWN in a “I’ll probably never actually sit through it again” sort of way, ” by Cruel_Kingdom..
kindom how can you claim to be tarantinos biggest fan and not even recognize the cinematic genius that is Jackie Brown. There’s not a scene in that entire movie that i would change. you have to realize its about subtilties. every actor/ress is just right for their part. i couldnt pick a favorite character if i tried. when i first watched it years ago, my buddy said he he thought Louis (deniro) was actually mr. pink years later, an assumption i quickly dismissed because i know that Brown takes place in a different universe than the vega brothers moslty untold saga’s world of reservior and pulp ( i think tarantino should consider writing a vega brothers novel by the way) . anyway s
“Accept no substitutes”
Sept. 18, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST
Stuntman Mike – new intro
This new scene alone is the reason why I won’t buy Deathproof. Stuntman Mike’s original intro, where you don’t know where this guy is coming from, was forkin’ brilliant. Seeing him cackle over photos will change the whole dynamic and shock reveal of his “true” intentions. Gonna wait fer GRINDHOUSE. And now I’m pissed that I have to.
Sept. 18, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST
no double dvd as the big Q wanted…
though, it would have been cool if Tarintino had been on trek as a Q (or even gets called Mr. T for that matter. Those two should work together or heck he could pop up in a video game <works pretty well for john woo >)
Sept. 18, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST
I think Jackie Brown is a cool movie, but I don’t think it holds up like the previous films. And maybe it’s just that I’ve seen it a million times…
Sept. 18, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST
Deathproof: Not hate-proof
Well– I saw it. I got it. And I liked it… a lot. And I’ll be bringing home the DVD ASAP. (And the new Criterion Two Lane Blacktop in December!)
Sept. 18, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST
Did I miss something?
by Shepard Wong
I thought Zoe Bell’s dialogue delivery was laugh out loud bad. It completely pulled me out of the movie and ruined Death Proof for me. I may rent it just to see if I was in some F’d up Kiwi/Aussie (whatever the hell she is) hating fit. I was really into the first half of Death Proof but she just killed it for me.
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST
I fucked with the wrong Mexican :(
I loved Death Proof since first hearing about it and the car is still the background on my cell phone and I want this DVD.
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST
the more I thought about grindhouse, the more I felt that Deathproof was the better of the two films, though I thought they were both awesome. I want to own this, but I’m not gonna buy it since I know the full shebang is coming eventually. Actually, this is a pretty annoying release.
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST
You missed the word “fun” in the last sentence of your intro Moriarty.
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST
this movie fuckin sucked
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST
Good review, Vern. Oh and I love Death Proof, too.
by a goonie
Definitely one of my favourite movies of the year so far. I can understand why some might not like it. If you don’t care about the characters and hate scenes of nothing but average chit-chat, then I can imagine the movie would be a complete bore. But I actually really cared about the characters and enjoyed spending time with them immensely, witnessing how much fun they were having and how much they appreciated each other’s company. They felt like real girls to me, girls being girls when they’re out spending a night together. And I loved that. And I loved that Tarantino so effectively evoked a playful vibe that made me want to stay in this simple little world of girls chit-chatting and drinking and just plain being themselves. But then Stuntman Mike shows up and, suddenly, this playful little world shows a glimpse of a dark side, of something sinister boiling beneath the surface. By the time Mike showed up, I was along for the ride. So I settle in for a fun, scary adventure where Mike terrorizes the girls and mayhem ensues. But the movie takes an unexpected turn, killing off the gang of girls in brutal fashion, and showing us just how bad Stuntman Mike really is. What follows is more great setup that brought me back to the playful place the movie started in, only to suddenly unleash some of the most spectacular car chase footage I have ever seen. And because I cared about these girls, because Tarantino and his talented group of actresses had taken the time to make me care about them, I’m not only along for the ride, I’m on the edge of my seat hoping they can make it out the other end in one piece. So that’s why I love Death Proof so much. It’s a tight package that packs a punch in an unexpected manner.
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST
What’s wrong with liking womens feet???
Me, me and KG, It’s all about sex supreme, We likes to cream jeans. Have you ever been worked on by two guys who are hot for your snatch? That’s what I’m offerin’ you. You step into our room,
And then you smell the perfume,
You lay upon our roundish bed,
And then you feel a tickling on your head. It’s KG with the feather and the French tickler,
Look out baby he got the tools.
And then you feel sumpin’ down by your feet. It’s me, it’s JB, I’m suckin’ upon your toes. We don’t mind sucking on toes! Good luck finding a boyfriend who sucks toe, ow! Havin’ sex with me and KG,
Now you’re talkin’ double team supreme.
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST
Oscar nomination for Kurt Russell
I called it!
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST
Licking his finger then touching it to Abernathy’s foot
we saw that cause Abernathy experiences an awakening to her inner badass in the flick, then not so ironically delivers the coupe de gras to Stuntman Mike with the very foot he was fiddling with.
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST
Okay, you convinced me.
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST
“supposedly didn’t fit the “grindhouse” theme it was advertised under.” to those who said that, just watch the Vanishing Point trailer, nuff said. http://tinyurl.com/36foom
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST
the point of DP
Okay, first, Tattooed Billionaire you are missing the point entirely: Ozu was making different kinds of films than QT.
QT promised me a grindhouse experience instead his half of this experience turned out to be ABOUT grindhouse cinema and not at all representative of grindhouse cinema.
Planet Terror felt like a real grindhouse picture EXCEPT for the lack of gratuitous nudity and the presence of Bruce Willis who was distracting.
Death Proof is like a really long and boring term paper. I GET IT! It does not take a film degree to GET IT.
Did I enjoy it? NOT AT ALL ON ANY LEVEL.
There are plenty of things I understand intellectually but that does not make them “good” or “enjoyable.”
And the Weinsteins never stop do they? A lifetime or recutting and rescoring and retitling and dubbing Hong Kong films.
And now they are shafting the fans again by releasing these films separately.
The whole point of GRINDHOUSE was in its total experience.
Hey, guess what? The trailers were truer grindhouse than either feature.
So what do I, the consumer, get?
The Weinsteins and QT have completely and totally lost the plot.
Dragon Dynasty is supposedly releasing things properly but I am still skeptical.
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST
jackie brown is his 2nd best film
by slappy jones
and heroes is complete horsehit. how can anyone stomach that fucking show. its truly truly awful.
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST
Grindhouse the film was about as relevant as a 17-year-old wearing an expensive vintage 1970s Ramones concert t-shirt.
The corporate appropriation of genuine subversive, non-corporate entertainment made safe for the largest portion of the mainstream.
Guess what? Some of us know as many weird references as QT. Hell, some of us saw those films in the theater WAY before he saw them in his little video store in California.
QT didn’t make Vanishing Point cool.
He is riding its coolness.
Sept. 18, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST
Who are you talking to? I didn’t say that Vanishing Point wasn’t “grindhouse,” I wrote that it made no sense that the women were talking about it, even a stuntwoman. It was, as someone said, a 40something screenwriter putting words in the mouths of young women, and it didn’t seem realistic at all.
Sept. 18, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST
I found the dialogue of DP to be unbelievable on almost any level other than as something to be used to write a thesis.
I mean, real grindhouse films had memorable — usually bad or offensive or whatever — but not as obvious as DP.
I like Family Guy, but DP has the same sickness: mistaking a reference for a point.
Just namedropping or referencing something great does not make you or your work great.
Look at all the Miramax films *about* people: Beatrix Potter, Virgina Woolf, etc.
Rather than step up and make something great on that level, people reference what was already great.
Family Guy is very guilty of this BUT…BUT it is still funny and concise and only 22 minutes at a time.
DP was intolerable for its arrogance.
I respect QT for making something that dense and putting it out in mainstream America.
But it was not grindhouse and was not fun if you ask me.
I resent being promised a grindhouse film and instead getting something else entirely that did not work on any level.
At the end of the day, for all the success QT exhibits in making this thesis of a film, it still does not really deliver even on those terms.
You just go, “and?”
Sept. 18, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST
Watching it now…
I went to the premiere and ended up seeing GH 4 times in the theatres with different friends and family. Im realizing again that DP is one of the most watchable movies for me in recent memory. I could start it over and watch it again when this car chase is done. Ive refrained from watching the extended cut print until today and I am definitely enjoying the extra scenes that add a few more connections the way that good movies do. “Zoe the fuckin cat!” By the way, I respect all of you.
Sept. 18, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST
the “strong” women in Death Proof
Actually that is one of the things that did bother me about this movie. I thought the females in this film were pretty wretched and deserved to be annihilated by Mike. Firstly the group who couldn’t act treated him like shit. And then the next batch treated each other like shit. When they left that one cheerleader broad to be forcibly sodomized or worse so that they could drive a freakin’ car, they lost me. I was hoping that Stuntman Mike would bring Hell down upon them, but no, somehow they got “revenge” that they didn’t really deserve.
Sept. 18, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST
Jackie Brown is a GREAT film AND it’s a true grower.
by future help
Like Big Lebowski, Fargo and Life Aquatic are masterful growers.
Sept. 18, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST
Your Transformers review was a nitpicky, whiny, incredibly overlong softball lobbed underhand directly into the cheap seats where all the TINO crowd were sitting with oversized fielders’ mitts strapped to their heads. Not one of your best, amigo.
I’m not sure I understand all the Death Proof hate from this crowd, actually. Seems like it would be the closest most of you will ever get to talking to a girl, so why all the bitchin’?
Sept. 18, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST
This is a great fucking film!
by El Scorcho
Fuck the haters. I’m sorry that you have no attention span. It’s intense build-up with an amazing climax. A slow burn.
Sept. 18, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST
a good way to “fix/redeem” the scene of the girls
by future help
leaving their “friend” behind with the rapist…IS…when the movie ends, SPOILERS(the big laugh when Kurt is being stomped on.)Add another 12 secs to the end, girl says to anther “Now let’s shoot em'” other girl replies “I left the gun with Jenny, so she could shoot that rapist.” (edit/cut to) see the rapist get shot in the face. THE END credits roll. -SAY THAT WAS EASY, NOW IM QT.
Sept. 18, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST
by And Nicolas Cage as Fu Manchu
At least it’s not as bad as the whole QFT/This phenomenon. Yes, quoting someone else’s post and then stating your agreement without further argument really adds to the discussion. What is the point? It’s been going on for years and it needs to stop!!!
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST
Harry’s HD-DVD Player = DEATHPROOF
by Internet Thug
No matter what shit the fat fuck puts in there it just keeps on tickin’
Sept. 18, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST
I liked it! ‘Braapp!’
Whenever I read these arguments about Death Proof I have to add my vote to the loved it side. Everyone’s common complaint is my favorite part. I loved watching the women sit around talking. I actually liked that the dialogue was less clever than QT’s other movies. I also love movies where you can just settle in and watch people live their lives before they get all messed up. Someone mentioned that it was obvious that QT adored all of these actresses, I agree, and I adored them as well. The actresses were so cool that sometimes I forget that Kurt Russell was even in the movie. But then I remember and it strikes me that this is one awesome movie. I was afraid that QT would turn out a movie that was too grindhouse, but to me he just made another great movie. It didn’t kick me in the face the way Pulp Fiction did the first time I saw it, but nearly.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST
Death Proof was infinitely better than Planet Terror
And if you think otherwise, you might be a hopeless fanboy with pedestrian tastes.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST
“Death Proof” est cinéma étonnant
Put me down with the French in the “loved DP” column. Saw it twice in the theaters (and yes, opening night was a packed house in NYC, that applauded afterwards) and I’m happy to buy this and any other DVD they make, just to support this type of risky filmmaking. (Although I’m disappointed in the addition of the new Mike reveal.) Short-attention-span American mongoloids will not convince me of anything, so don’t bother.
Sept. 18, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST
The attention this film has
The attention this film has gotten on this site is embarrassing. Noone will face the facts that it sucked, plain and simple. And I’m a fan of his other films.
It’s like everyone is refusing to face the reality of a shitty QT film.
Newsflash – it’s a shitty QT film. Feel free to waste money on the DVD, suckas.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:08 p.m. CST
Well, probably not as good as the films
Bill Belichick has been illegally making all these years, but I really enjoyed Death Proof, and liked seeing it again on DVD. Also, I think Jackie Brown is one of hist best.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST
Death Proof es muy excemento
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST
It pains me to say this…
by Angry Bald Guy
But I plan on buying this DVD. I didn’t care for “Death Proof” but for the sake of trying to keep the double feature alive I will get both movies. And PatsFanDK you’re half right: It sucked. But there are a few of us that are facing the fact. Lastly: WHERE THE HELL IS THE MACHETE DVD!!!!!
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST
Miramax should break up FOUR ROOMS into separate films
All the world is waiting to see a longer version of that shitty Allison Anders segment with the witches. We add more footage to the QT segment–then it would be like Death Proof: a lot of talking and no action building up to a quick ending which almost redeems all that has preceded it. Weinsteins, you’re missing an opportunity here!
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST
Jackie Brown suceeds where Death Proof fails
by Spandau Belly
I kinda consider it a cheap shot from ol’ Vern to say that he discounts the disappointment in Death Proof because the talkbackers here could only fault it by calling the characters sexist names like “cunts” and “bitches”. I guess he’s implying that everybody who disliked it is a sexist bastard who thinks that women in films should just strip and die.
Well, I disliked Death Proof and it was in fact because the female characters were annoying, but also because there were long scenes with just them and no foil. It was like five Sammuel L. Jacksons sitting around a table. I actually liked the scenes where they interacted with Kurt Russel and I liked the stuff with Kurt and Rose McGowan (despite her sporting of the worst wig in history).
Now take Jackie Brown. She was a fiesty aggressive female character, but I liked her because she didn’t just hang out with four friends exactly like she. I mean, hell, she got out of jail, flirted with a bail bondsman, swiped his pistol and pressed against Sammuel L.’s dick all in one night. And she was just a stewardess, not a trained ninja type like Beatrix Kiddo. That was more assertive than the Death Proof ladies and I liked Jackie Brown. So I’m not just some sexist asshole who wants his ladies to take the Amy Smart role in Crank. I’m a guy who just doesn’t like a Tarantino film for good reason. Believe me, the last thing I wanted was to be let down by Quentin, and especially for him to lose a film on the dialogue front was like seeing Bruce Lee get suckpunched by John Saxon. But for me the diversity in characters just wasn’t there to make interesting scenes like in good ol’ Jackie Brown.
Anybody who wants to come over to my place and watch Jackie Brown, come on over in the next twenty minutes. You can smoke, but you just can’t talk about Lost or Heroes. Agreed?
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST
The movie was a box office disaster…
Grindhouse made all of 25 million at the domestic box office. That’s good for #57 for the year and we’re not even to the Holiday season yet. Notable movies that made more than Grindhouse: Nancy Drew, Epic Movie, Hannibal Rising, The Reaping, The Number 23, etc. I like how the author of the review points to the fact that theaters on the “outer edges” of the US were packed, sort of like he’s insinuating that the rest of us “uncultured folk” be “too dum to git it!” Ummm, a majority of moviegoers (as well as the rest of the US population) are situated along “the outer edges” of the US, so if it supposedly did gangbusters there then it should NOT have ended up with only 25m. The truth is simply this: the movies were not exactly great, they did not click with audiences, and the thing failed at the box office. Period. Yes people, even the cinema-geek backed projects like GRINDHOUSE fail. Tarantino and Rodriguez are not film Gods. I equate this review to Harry’s take on Jackson’s KING KONG; how you could tell he knew it was a failure but just didn’t want to admit it to himself.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST
“Outer edges” = the fly-over states
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST
I meant between the outer edges, lol
All this Death Proof talk has fried my brain.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST
Most Fun I Had At The Movies All Year
If I may invoke a film critic cliche. ‘Planet Terror’ was enjoyable but this was definitely the highlight. Cool concept and that car crash scene was sick in all the right ways.
I can see why people might not like it, but compared to something like ‘I Now Pronounce You Chuck And Larry’ it starts looking like genius.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST
Grindhouse TOGETHER was brilliant
It’s not Citizen Kane or Jules et Jim, but it was a great time at the cinema. Those trailers, the whole thing…I loved the experience. But neither one of the two shorts works particularly well as a film unto itself.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST
Loved Death Proof! Don’t understand the hate.
by Midol Boy
Oh, well. To each his own.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST
Tarantino needs to make Kill Shot.
by Midol Boy
MAKE IT NOW!
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST
No one is mentioning…
The Russ Meyer connection. The ending of the movie is SO much like Faster Pussycat, Kill Kill, in my opinion. I then heard Tarantino even state that Death Proof is his take on a Russ Meyer film. You can mention the Psycho connection, and De Palma riffs, but Russ Meyer is what is going on in this film.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST
Kill Shot already got made. Tarantino produced, but didn’t direct. It’s sitting on the shelf right now. I think the trailer is on youtube, though.
Sept. 18, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST
My mistake, it’s not on youtube, but it is on the IMDB page.
Sept. 18, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST
I am watching Death Proof right now.
by Barry Egan
I love it.
Sept. 18, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST
Death Proof fuckin’ rocked, bottom line.
It’s pathetic that garbage, and I mean utter garbage, like Transformers gets so much praise from people. Then a unique piece of cinema comes along like Death Proof, and people whine about “too much talking”. Are you fucking serious? Too much talking?? It’s what QT does best in my opinion, and it’s brilliant stuff. But, if you’re just into mindless explosions and bad directing/writing…keep your training wheels on and continue watching your kiddie flicks, those of us with taste will keep supporting & watching real films.
Sept. 18, 2007, 10 p.m. CST
you had me at snakehearted fuckers…
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST
is a masterpiece.
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST
Agreed. Jackie Brown is brilliant.
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST
Re: the ending
The last ten minutes of Death Proof made every woman in my theater start cheering. Boo yah.
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST
by Gould as Marlowe
I saw Grindhouse opening night in SF and the place was packed. The audience was with it from start to finish. It was a great movie going experience. I walked out thinking “Well, this is clearly a hit. It’s so nice to see movies I enjoy get thit kind of reaction.” How wrong I was. Everyone I know loved it and I think it did business in the major cities but the small town, middle American audiences probably didn’t cotton to it.
I loved Death Proof. I thought it was the better of the two. Tarantino’s dialogue is getting creaky and self indulgent but I really appreciated the slow build, the lived in atmosphere, the 2 narrative swerves, and the brilliant car chase climax. Besides that, I think Stuntman Mike is a classic Kurt Russell character/performance. Zoe completely won me over and this is the first film where I didn’t hate Rosario Dawson.
This is my second favorite Tarantino film after Jackie Brown.
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST
“second favorite Tarantino film after Jackie Brown”?
Um, are you smoking crack?
Sept. 18, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST
“second favorite Tarantino film after Jackie Brown”?
Or as Tarantino himself might say, “Nigga, is you trippin’?”
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST
to me, jackie brown had an emotional core that is missing from most of his films. it’s his only film where the characters seem like real people. a lot of it comes from robert forster and pam grier of course.
i seriously love every frame of that movie.
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:37 p.m. CST
Better on it’s own
I saw Grindhouse in theaters three times, and had a goddamn great time with each viewing, as did the audience. However, there was no doubt that while (in my opinion) Death Proof was the better film, it did slow the overall experience down quite a bit. Having viewed it on DVD, I think it is a lot easier to enjoy on it’s own merits, without having Planet Terror to compare it to.
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST
“I’m the world’s biggest Tarantino Fan”
“I even sort of liked Jackie Brown”
you don’t get to be a tarantino fan if you don’t have a lasting appreciation for Jackie Brown. Sorry. Discarding Jackie Brown means you’ve ignored everything he was trying to say in his first two movies. I hope QT will make a film better than Jackie Brown one day, but I doubt it.
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST
QT’s already made three films that are better than Jackie Brown, so your wish has come true! Good job!
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST
Jackie Brown is fucking brilliant.
What the hell is wrong with you people? And to those fuckers who say Tarantino is a hack. Again: What the hell is wrong with you? Ok, the guy talks out of his ass, annoys the fuck out of you and all you want, but come on. Craftsmanship. That’s the key word. The guy can direct. The first car crash in Death Proof? The way he synchronizes with the music, the build up, and then the way the stunt and the killings are filmed. Even you whiners can see how freaking talented the guy is. Can’t you? Fuck you very much.
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST
Is this a Jackie Brown talkback?
Sept. 18, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST
TIFF!!!! Kurt Russell is the man.
Easily one of his best roles.
Sept. 19, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST
Actually the “world’s biggest QT fan” is
Sept. 19, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST
I wanted so much to love this film. Enjoyed Planet Terror for being the light-hearted, “GRINDHOUSE” fluff that it was SUPPOSED TO BE!
Deathproof simply wasn’t. It was lame and QT lost his image halfway through. Why did the scratchy film stop scratching, fanboys? No excuse for that, eh? Yeah..didn’t think so. Puh-lease. The only reason people like this movie is simply because some people like thinking they are better than everyone else for not “getting it”. Well, you guys are just as pathetic as the guys I knew who went to film school and make shitty films with people yammering on for no reason, about nothing. You only like movies that other people hate simply because you hate the other people. Ugh. Enjoy your shitty, pointless movie. QT owes me an apology. Fucking sad.
Sept. 19, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST
yes it is, until the greatness of jackie brown is acknowledged.
Sept. 19, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST
what’s the big deal if it stops? i don’t get it. after a while it got to distracting, so he eased out of it and got on with the movie.
Sept. 19, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST
I’m glad Trooperof3! No wookie1972 I referring to something Vern said in his review.
Sept. 19, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST
Anyone know when we get the fake trailers?
Will they be on Planet Terror’s disc; or do we have to wait for the double dip version? I DID notice that the Death Proof dvd came with a coupon for five bucks off PT, which I thought was kinda cool…Hell, I know these things are gonna be released almost as much as either Army of Darkness or any of the LOTRs, and honestly, it doesn’t bother me–I enjoyed both films for what they were, and concede that most consumers out there wouldn’t be too keen on watching both films back to back…I WOULD like those trailers, though. Even better: Wright has to make “Don’t”, and Roth has to do “Thanksgiving”. (We already know that Machete is coming, I believe this Xmas, straight to dvd…)
Sept. 19, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST
the deleted black and white scene
was unnecessary. the hour and twenty minute cut in theaters was fun. the two hour dvd cut is exhausting. cool earl mcgraw extension though.
Sept. 19, 2007, 1 a.m. CST
Re: the black and white scene
It was at least PARTLY necessary, because it establishes 1) This is how and where Stuntman Mike starting to stalk this particular group of girls, and 2) Mike is a helluva lot creepier here than he showed at the bar. It’s no accident that most posters at AICN when discussing Death Proof mention that they were rooting for Russell’s character to kill the girls; the simple reason is that, even after killing Rose McGowan in his car, he still seems strangely likeable, especially compared to the annoying and grating females that the viewer is supposed to feel sorry for! Any additional scene that makes him more of a “bad guy” is necessary for the end of DP to seem warranted.
Sept. 19, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST
i fell asleep at the premier.
i went to see grindhouse at manns chinese theatre in los angeles on the saturday night of the opening weekend. planet terror rocked! the crowd was so vocal and into the whole movie. when death proof came on my wife and i fell asleep during the monotonous ramblings of those moronic girls. tarantino has fallen in love with his material to the point where he can no longer be subjective about it.
everyone around him must kiss his ass because i saw him on conan proclaiming he’s a ‘great writer’.
at first i thought that’s cool that someone has the balls to say that and based on his first three directorial efforts i would agree.
however, he has suffered a terrible setback with deathproof. it is a self indulgent piece of jack off material by someone who can’t step back and be objective of their own work.
Sept. 19, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST
Stuck on Halo 3
Peeps are rockin’ it, and I’m not one of them! http://tinyurl.com/ytkeeg Fucking cunts.
Sept. 19, 2007, 2:02 a.m. CST
Re: Re: the black and white scene
in response to #1, i think the audience clearly understands that Mike is stalking the new group of girls when it originally cut to him taking the photos in the theatrical version, plus to me the choice to cut the gas station scene out was stronger because you don’t leave mike for so long. i wanted more stuntman mike but that’s just me.
and #2, i did like that he licked Rosario’s foot, but why did she have to smoke almost a whole fucking cigarette in that shot just to see him speed away? it just slowed it down too much for me.
i think that you are right about more creepy scenes with Mike being necessary, i just don’t consider a throwaway scene about an Italian Vogue magazine being creepy Mike stuff.
Sept. 19, 2007, 2:43 a.m. CST
Fuck the double feature!
by Motoko Kusanagi
I don’t see how these 2 entertaining movies are not good any more just because they’re released seperately.
I also don’t give a damn if those crappy fake trailers are included or not.
Sept. 19, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST
Tarantino Dropped the Ball..
So Quentin says to Rodriguez:
“Ok, so , like, Robert, like, lets make, like, a TOTALLY amazing Grind House, like, Double feature, k?”
And Rodriguez is like “coo’ Quentin..Ok” and he goes out and makes the damn Grindhouse film. Blood, breasts, Zombies…just a fun night at the movies….Nothing too deep. Then Tarantino suddenly decides he doesnt want to make a grindhouse film after all and goes out and makes the same kind of films he ALWAYS makes, and fucks up the formula he SUGGESTED! Im sure Quentin thinks he turned the genre on its head, but instead he screwed the whole thing up and made a very uneven double feature…I’ll agree, Death Proof is a better FILM…but its like bringing a gun to a knife fight, a FILM has no place in a Grindhouse exploitation double feature. Stuntman Mike kills people with his CAR, people should have been splattered and run over and stalked throughout this thing, and instead we get a Grindhouse/French New Wave rip-off…whatever…
Sept. 19, 2007, 2:52 a.m. CST
Death Proof – Why people hate it
From a film student point of view, there’s one very good reason why folks didn’t like Death Proof, didn’t consider it a real movie, thought the female characters were lame bitches, didn’t appreciate the coolness of Zoe Bell. And it’s all Tarantino’s fault. Basically, the film simply doesn’t have the all important act two climax. It just blends from act two (Introduce Zoe and the girls) to act three (Zoe and the girls go after SM Mike) without any emotional upheaval. The decision to go after Mike should have been a supremely powerful, all or nothing, “We’re not who we think we are if we don’t go after this guy!” moment it needed to be. Zoe’s fake death should have been more devastating, more believable. It should have freaked the audience out. Instead, we knew she would be fine. THe movie had been all mood and terror, and then suddenly it became kinda silly. I really wanted to be involved in the girls’ rage, but the movie locked me out of it. That’s why the climax was a let down, that’s why so few people walked away satisfied. The only folks who seem to like the movie are the ones who chose to fill in that emotional gap with their imaginations, or were just impressed with the car chases. Personally, it makes me sad, because but for a key scene, it could have been such an amazing film. Oh yeah, and about 20 minutes of useless dialog.
Sept. 19, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST
Spandau/SnatchVagina double feature
SPANDAU: You read me wrong bud. “I didn’t take alot of you seriously because you were calling the characters bitches and cunts, [here is the important part—->] but there were plenty of reasonable people who didn’t like it.”
My point was the exact opposite of what you’re saying. My point was to ignore the obvious yahoo dipshits and address the people with legitimate points like yours.
And I’m with you, JACKIE BROWN is a great movie. I love DEATH PROOF too but it is my least favorite of Tarantino’s directorial works so far. The dialogue in DEATH PROOF may not stand up to JACKIE BROWN, but I disagree about the characters not having anyone to play off of, especially in the second half. They have Lee (the cheerleader) who is not on the same wavelength, she doesn’t get their jokes or references, she falls for their tricks. To me one of the biggest laughs is when Kim mentions PRETTY IN PINK in a negative way and Lee without any irony coos “oh, I love Pretty in Pink!” How are they not playing off each other?
SNATCHVAGINA: Listen up fucker. Er, I mean, hello friend. Let me explain it to you. I don’t feel it’s that hard of a sentence to understand but here you go. I was making a joke about the fact that, as freako box office obsessed weiners like you have noted, and as I wrote in the review, GRINDHOUSE failed to make money for the assholes who released it. I was playing off that. I can’t say that the DVD should be the same as the movie that played to packed houses across the country, so instead I hedged it to “the outer edges of the country.” (I also can’t say “around the word”, because it wasn’t released as a double feature in the rest of the world.)
At the time the Weinsteins claimed that it was doing well on the coasts and they just needed to figure out how to make it do well in the rest of the country. I am not an accountant or a perverted money fetishist so I don’t know if their figures are accurate. I do believe them because here in Seattle it was indeed shown to packed houses, and just about everyone I know saw it multiple times (including in drive-ins, which I wish I did). Others in this talkback have noted similar occurrences in their cities. So it seems believable.
So no, I was not making any sort of inference about the other parts of the country, I was just noting the documented fact that it did poorly in most of the country. You are proud to point that shit out so don’t attack me for doing it too. And stop being paranoid. That’s what happens when you spend all your time counting money.
You said “The truth is simply this: the movies were not exactly great, they did not click with audiences, and the thing failed at the box office. Period.” Well no, that’s not it “period.” As I said in the review: yes, it lost money, yes, it was unpopular with talkbackers, and no, I do not give two shits about those things. If a movie “didn’t click with audiences” and you still love it then fuck the unclickable audiences, YOU like the movie, that’s what’s important. I liked the movie, I explained why, I bought the DVD, I still enjoyed it, I wrote about. If you are a movie fan you understand how it works.
the author of the review
Sept. 19, 2007, 4:29 a.m. CST
We need “Thanksgiving” doubled with “Machete” dammit
that is all.
Sept. 19, 2007, 6:03 a.m. CST
“I equate this review to Harry’s take on Jackson’s KING KONG; how you could tell he knew it was a failure but just didn’t want to admit it to himself.”
Um, you mean “failure” in that YOU didn’t like it? Because otherwise, Jacksons Kong was actually successful at the box office and review wise. Opinion is never fact.
Sept. 19, 2007, 6:51 a.m. CST
I’d rather eat my own shit
by Drunken Rage
than see another QT movie. He is without a doubt the most over-rated American director in history.
Sept. 19, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST
I refuse to purchase this until…
They release GRINDHOUSE together the way it appeared in theatres. That was the way I experienced it before, that’s the way I want to revisit it. Trailers and all. I urge everyone here to do the same. Unless you support the (I hate to say this because I’m a huge Sam Raimi fan) EVIL DEADILITIS, which untold amounts of rereleases to try to milk money out of the fans. I want to see the extended footage, and in time I’ll Netflick it. However, in the meantime, I’m staying away from both this and the future PLANET TERROR release. And it really irks me to say this because I greatly enjoyed both films. It’s just not the same though pulling them apart like this. Caving in to the studios and the ADD fly-by-night movie going public who will never purchase this anyway.
Sept. 19, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST
Dear Mr. Author of The Review;
by Spandau Belly
Yeah, I guess I did read you wrong. I guess I was just saying that a lot of these talkbacker guys aren’t so articulate and I was trying to interpret what they were saying. I think we agree that sexist name calling is not really as good critiquing as saying what I said about how I did not find the characters varied enough to build interesting dialogue driven scenes.
I do not remember the Pretty In Pink moment. But my overall impression remains that I was bored by car fulls and coffeeshop fulls of sassy ladies talkin’ sassy and it just began to feel like one those Jerry Springer episodes were people just wave there arms at each other while a stream of BLEEPs flows until somebody picks up a chair.
BTW, I do want to commend you on your assment of this cut of the film and the overall non-Blu Ray, non-HD, old fashioned DVD and features. I think you did a thorough job and that prospective consumers would greatly benefit from your analysis.
Sept. 19, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST
Damn Foot Fetish
Fuck Tarrantino and his fucking foot fetish. I’m still traumatised to this day from seeing Uma Thurman’s hideous deformed feet at 50 feet wide on the big screen when I went and saw Kill Bill v1. I’ve never seen v2 and never will. I’m now feeling less inclined now to see Death Proof. For fucks sake, Thurmans second toe was bigger than her fucking big toe. It was like the opening sequence of Wrong Turn with all those deformed foetuses.
Sept. 19, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST
I have a foot fetish…
And Uma’s feet made me feel ill, too, lol.
Sept. 19, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST
….You’re already counting down the days waiting for the Scratched Up- Distressed print of GRINDHOUSE, to be released on Blue-Ray!! Yeeahhh. Zing!
Sept. 19, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST
Same basic problem as the short version
I loved the convenience store scene but it went on too long. The presence of the magazine later on did not need to be explained.
The crucial thing that undermined both versions though was the car scene where the girls talk about their sex lives. It is completely superfluous and undermines the effectiveness of the diner scene, which is crucial. By the time Zoe mentions the Dodge Challenger, a tedium has set in because nothing has happened for too long. If they had gone from Abby sitting on the car to Mike taking picutres of the girls to the diner, it would have been much more effective. Quentin, for all his talent, has always been a flabby filmmaker and seems reluctant to part with his little bits of business even when they hurt the flow of the story.
Having said that though, I did enjoy the movie and would love to see him, Robert and others make more movies under the Grindhouse moniker. ‘Machete’ is a MUST!
Oh and long live Vanessa Ferlito’s tummy!
Sept. 19, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST
Robert Forster is fantastic…
One of my favorite scenes in any Tarantino movie is simply the scene where Robert Forster’s character in Jackie Brown walks into the music store, with the rap music blaring, and purchases a tape of the Delfonics. He is great in this, and that last scene where the two of them are together, you WANT something huge to happen, but he’s just a middle-aged man, and in spite of how inside his head, he is probably screaming and wishing to do something, but he doesn’t. He helped in this huge heist, but when it comes down to just trying to properly emote himself to a woman he’s crazy about, he can’t. And that’s real. And that’s fucking fantastic.
Sept. 19, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST
Wait… so does this mean Eli Roth will remake “Thing”?
by Stalin vs Predator
Because whenever a “hot new director” (yes, I know he isn’t exactly that) talks of a movie being his favorite, that usually means he was approached to remake it. Or is campaigning to do that himself.
Sept. 19, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST
Oh, Vern, I’ve got a question…
On the soundtrack for Death Proof, the song “Down in Mexico” is on it ,but it’s not in the movie. Is it safe to assume it’s in one of these deleted scenes? As it’s a great song.
Sept. 19, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST
I mean, *these days*.
by Stalin vs Predator
In the past, when new directors they said they liked a film, they actually meant it. These days it just means they’re involved in a project related to it.
Sept. 19, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST
Down in Mexico
is Vanessa’s lapdance song. Very hot.
Sept. 19, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST
Response to NIVEK666 and VERN
NIVEK666: KING KONG was a disappointment at the box office. Not a failure, but a disappointment. It barely scrapped its way past 200m domestically and didn’t make back its budget. Comparatively, Jackson’s last film, RETURN OF THE KING, made 378m domestically and more than tripled its budget. I’m sorry, but THAT IS A DISAPPOINTMENT! And yes, if you have any ability to infer you could tell clear as day that Harry was disappointed by the thing. For months he posted nothing but love letters to that movie and when it opened we got a short, disjointed review and none of the reminiscing and nostalgia that Harry brings when he’s fallen in love with something.
VERN: Thanks for explaining yourself. However, there is merit in “number crunching”…it’s not all about just how much a movie makes. More often than not a movie’s box office will reflect its quality; sure, every now and then a general well received movie will bomb and a terrible one will make bucketloads, but those are the exceptions rather than the rule. Even if a movie opens modestly it can do well with low weekly drop-offs due to word-of-mouth. GRINDHOUSE, however, opened to 12m and finished with 25m; that kind of depreciation is unheard of in box office “crunching,” which only means that word-of-mouth was absolutely atrocious. A movie does not make half its take in three days if it is worth a damn. And I understand you like the thing and that’s great; at least you acknowledged that it wasn’t exactly well received with moviegoers, yet you still are leaning heavily on the Weinsteins for all the project’s shortcomings. Maybe it was just a case of them knowing what the rest of us did as well: it wasn’t a great movie(s).
And I’m not exactly from the sticks as my post implied. I’m from Austin, saw the movie at the Tinseltown North in Pflugerville and the audience was maybe a third full on opening Saturday. Not great for a Rodriguez-backed town.
So, there is no Weinstein-conspiracy that held this movie back, nor was it uncultured middle-America; it was just a cool gimmick with bad execution is all.
Sept. 19, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST
isn’t that battlestar guy remaking the thing?
Sept. 19, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST
still not that good…sorry.
Well, i didnt have a problem with all that dialgue being bad, there was just too damn much of it for the average film viewer in my opinion. I really got the impression that Tarantino really fell in love with his script, and didnt wanna trim ANYTHING. I manage a theatre, and the MAJOR complaint from film goers was that Death Proof was BORING. They loved the action bits, but it took too long to get there, and once it got there, it went right back to 20 mins of talking!! We had two major problems at out locations…
1. Most folks didnt seem to realize that it was a double feature, and tried to leave after PLANET TERROR. We had to post an usher inside the auditorium to ensure people knew another film was coming, and it was included in the admission price. After this, most folks didnt last through the lengthy dialogue, they just left.
Sept. 19, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST
Thanks for the polite response even after I called you “fucker.” I don’t buy your logic on this post though. First of all, I didn’t say there was any kind of Weinstein conspiracy. I do think it’s kind of a mystery why it failed so bad, but I don’t think it was them, I just think they sorely deserve to lose money, be forced out of business and have to literally sit on a big shelf for several years before they are allowed to leave but have to use a different name and walk around on their knees instead of their feet.
But here’s why I don’t buy your logic. You said it was a good gimmick poorly executed. But it didn’t open big. The gimmick is all you need to bring people into the theater in the first place, so why didn’t it happen? That has nothing to do with quality.
More significantly, you claim that bad movies making lots of money and vice versa is an exception to the rule. So explain this to me: the top 3 grossers so far this year are SPIDERMAN-3, SHREK 3 and the fucking TRANSFORMERS. WILD HOGS is at #10. RUSH HOUR 3, FANTASTIC FOUR 2 and I NOW PRONOUNCE YOU CHUCK AND LARRY made it into the top 15. Even GHOST RIDER made it into the top 20.
What’s the best reviewed movie of the year? ZODIAC? That’s at #46. Maybe RATATOULIE, which made alot of money, but $120 million less than SHREK 3?
I did a little research on this for a piece I might write and I was shocked to learn that HOW THE GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS was the highest grossing movie of its year!
I would say it’s actually the other way around, it’s exciting when a really good movie does make lots of money, because that is something that doesn’t happen very often.
Sept. 19, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST
Death Proof and the Grindhouse Experience
As a resident of the UK I won’t (for the moment anyway) have a chance to watch the Grindhouse double bill in the same way American audiences did. I think it’s pretty poor on the part of the Weinsteins. As a result I was reluctant to pick-up the Death Proof DVD for two reasons. Firstly that I think everyone who speculates that a full release is coming eventually; and secondly for the first time I wasn’t looking forward to a Tarantino movie. I know the film got and still gets enough negative reviews on here from fellow talkbackers and you have to appreciate that and take note. However, on viewing I found it to be a great film. From start to finish my girlfriend and I were hooked. I thought the dialogue was perfect amongst the girls and drew me in. I never once considered this to be slow. Still the best line in the film belongs to Eli Roth standing at the bar when he sings in a whisper “East bound and down” in reference to Stuntman Mike; just so funny. SPOILERS The middle twist in removing the protagonists was daring and a real gutsy move, but I think Tarantino knew exactly what he was doing when he brought Zoe Bell to the fore. The scene where she jumps onto the car door in a jousting fashion just sold me. I’m amazed that this film is getting so much negativity. I hope Planet Terror lives up the same expectations, but, I don’t personally rank RR in the same league as Tarantino. I think From dusk till Dawn and Sin City are fantastic films, but Tarantino’s movies are just electrifying. I’m slightly puzzled over what I’m told was taken out for the US release from DP, the Earl McGraw scenes and the toe-licking scene really set-up the second half of the picture, I’d have found it quite puzzling without them. My only wish was that it was another thirty minutes longer. You guys had me worried for a second, but I’m glad I gave it a chance. For me Tarantino is akin to Kubrick, he enters a genre and he masters it fully, while simultaneously leaving his own stamp on it. I think people are simply waiting for him to fail, but in my opinion this isn’t it.
Sept. 19, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST
Tarantino’s a true talent / What DP’s really about
A very divided talk back going on here. I think Tarantino is a great talent and continues to produce unique, quality films. He is indeed a keen craftsman and skilled writer whose abilities mature and improve with each film he makes. Death Proof is one of the best films I’ve seen this year and I was thoroughly entertained by it. I prepared for DP by watching Vanishing Point beforehand (never had seen it), though I didn’t know it would be referenced in DP (what a treat). Doing that helped me both understand and appreciate at least part of what Tarantino was trying to achieve in DP. I saw a direct correlation in theme and goal for both films – freedom, and creating that sense of freedom. That’s what I felt as I watched them – pure freedom. I’m putting story aside here, mind you. Death Proof evokes a sense of freedom not so much in the events that happen, but in how it was written and filmed. It does take turns you don’t expect, it does what it wants to do. That’s the homage to grindhouse right there. I recall when Tarantino appeared on the Howard Stern show some years back and proclaimed, “As a writer, you are God.” In other words, you have the freedom to tell the story how you see fit, to take the characters wherever you like, and make them talk and act however you want. And you do all that without any regard for what others may think. That’s pretty much what any good writer does, and as long as they do, the work will be successful on one level or another. Looking forward to seeing the extended cut, though the theatrical (US) release was a fine edit. Great review, Vern.
Sept. 19, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST
Liked what you had to say there, and pretty much in total agreement with it. Definitely looking forward to the extended cut now after reading your comments on the McGraw and toe-licking scenes.
Sept. 19, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST
The extended Mcgraw scene was boring and unnecessary. I liked the convenience store scene except i dont understand why it was in black and white. Overall i probably prefer the theatrical cut better. The lap dance scene was good though.
Sept. 19, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST
Aging and B/W scenes
I’d assumed myself that Tarantino was simply experimenting with various styles, with the B/W allowing for the transition to non-aged footage in the second half of the film, perhaps helping to segue the two sections movies together. I think one aspect that hit me when the film went from B/W to colour was the sharpness of the girl’s Mustang, with the very strong yellow and red, which moments before had been whites and greys. I suspect SoylentMean’s point is probably the more likely. As to people not enjoying Earl McGraw, well we know he is a QT/RR regular so what’s the harm? I enjoyed it as did others so is a five minute scene really that harmful to the film, especially if it explains to us why Stuntman Mike now no longer operates in Texas (which incidently it was great to see in the movie)?
Sept. 19, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST
I’m glad those who enjoyed Death Proof
did. Sorry, I can’t join your club. I enjoyed aspects of it, but not the whole. The extended gas station scene hinted, to me, the problem with DP. There is a pan across a magazine rack that predominately features Fangoria and Film Comment magazines. And that to me symbolizes the problem, trying to honor the lowbrow and the highbrow, and succeeding in neither. I did think the first car crash IS brilliantly staged and edited. I did want to like this more the second time around, it just didn’t do it for me.
Sept. 19, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST
WHOA, DID SOMEONE MENTION EVIL DEAD?
Screw Grindhouse, lets have a producers cut of Evil Dead where Ash is a mute.
Sept. 19, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST
I Know Why Grindhouse Failed
Easy – It was too long and it wasn’t good. I was more than happy to spread the bad word on Death Proof. Planet Terror…eh, not bad.
Sept. 19, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST
You guys crack me up…talking about DP as if it has any depth or meaning. Remind me of the failed film students I see in coffeehouses, going on about how any movie that is liked by the masses obviously sucks but unliked mediocrity with bad dialogue is somehow brilliant. Anyone who doesn’t like the films like DP “doesn’t get it” or they aren’t ss smart as you are…or they “dont appreciate film”…and you’ll be trying to find meaning in this stupid, ego-trip, non-movie for years to come. It was horrible. It was boring. It had shitty characters who spoke and behaved like QT clones. The car stunts were impressive…but pointless. The scratchy film technique that lasted the ENTIRE MOVIE in PT was suddenly gone mid-way through this movie…not because QT was “experimenting” (as you apologists say, like trained mynah birds, blindly defedning Tarantino like a political partisan hack), but because QT simply stabbed blindly from start to finish. And QT completely betrayed his entire vision, which was to make a “Grindhouse” double-feature. Rodriguez GOT that, which is why hardly NO ONE bashes PT, even those who somehow like the shitball that is DeathProof. People don’t bash “Death Proof” because they are “stupid” or “don’t get it” or aren’t cultured in the ways of film…They are bashing it because they wanted to see the Grindhouse movie Tarantino promised. He failed.
Sept. 19, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST
The missing reel of Planet Terror
It doesn’t contain the explaination of El Wray’s origin or who he is. At least not the version released in European cinemas.
Sept. 19, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST
Sorry, not buying it to support the loss at the theater
In fact, in real terms it probably wasn’t a loss to most involved. I’ll be interested in buying the Grindhouse set, but only if it comes out before both movies get rerun to death on Cable.
Sept. 19, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST
Probably wait for the twin pack
I didn’t like either one enough to buy it singularly, but I’d drop a 20 for the two of them (if it has the Thanksgiving trailer and a few interviews). It will happen eventually.
Sept. 19, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST
I can’t believe no one mentioned that..
by Internet Thug
Deathproof features a white car pursuing a black car and running it off the road..it is obviously QT’s statement on race relations in America in the 21st Century.
Sept. 19, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST
But starts with the black car terrorizing the white car. Its the automotive “The Brave One”. Brilliant observation IT.
Sept. 19, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST
Those are some pretty harsh and foolish statements to make based on the fact that I and others like a movie and you don’t. I’m not suggesting you or anyone else who didn’t enjoy the film somehow didn’t get it. I don’t understand why you didn’t like it, but I appreciate that you didn’t. I disagree with a great number of the reviews on this site once I’ve seen the finished article, but I respect that movies make people react in different ways.
I don’t need to be a Tarantino apologist, what the hell am I supposed to be apologising for? It isn’t like he has a body of work that will stand the test of time after all? I won’t bother listing those films (and I’m not speaking only of his work as a director) because you know already what those films are and how important they are both cinematically and culturally yourself.
With Death Proof I wasn’t bored for a second, like I said I wanted it to last longer. I find your so called ‘QT clones’ to be a lot easier to watch than most of the characters in films released over the summer period alone and I think that’s a very derogatory remark to make against those individuals. You tell us you hate snobs who analyse film, then tell us that the dialogue and acting in this movie wasn’t to your liking. After this you go on to tell us exactly what he did wrong with the aging process and not maintaining it for the entire picture. You are probably right about that part. After all you’re TheRevenge, who does he think he is? I hate it too when directors experiment with movies and don’t stick to safe remakes and scripts. Hollywood could really do without anymore Tarantino’s for a while.
Tarantino took the Slasher genre and injected it with a twist; he stuck to the rules we all know and made it very clear what he was doing. The dialogue was well written and the car crash was worth the viewing alone. How they did the effects work in that sequence astounds me. In the second act we have a revenge story were a really cool balls to the wall stunt woman actually gets some time to shine as more than a credit on a movie. If you weren’t amazed by her work then that’s fine, but I was and so were the people I watched the film with. To say that the car sequences were pointless in this film is to say that Freddy, Jason and the like really didn’t need to use their various knives in their respective titles.
As to the analysis of film, well it is an art-form to be studied by those that love the medium. Given the nature of the reviews of the site’s owner and contributors the examination and understanding of film seems to be, in my opinion, a major point why people come here in the first place and why once again people like yourself bring the place down a notch or two.
Sept. 19, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST
The Paragraph Has Been Defeated
by Internet Thug
Sept. 19, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST
SO VERN’S GAY, THEN?
He says there’s no reason to see the missing reel from “Planet Terror” and he doesn’t describe the lapdance in “Death Proof.” The missing reel is ROSE MCGOWAN HAVING SEX!!! And the lapdance could be lame, it could be hot, it could show thong, it could show boob, but we have NO idea because, well…Vern’s gay and doesn’t feel any need to go into specifics. Fuck off, Vern. (and my money’s on the lapdance being completely LAME, because Tarantino has NEVER managed to make his heroines sexy at all so why start now?)
Sept. 19, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST
THE CUTTING OF “HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN” FROM THE TRAILERS
When did this happen and by whom? Rodriguez and QT (and this site) announced the winner of the FAN TRAILERS CONTEST was “Hobo with a Shotgun,” me and my buddy watched it about 100 times online and were excited to see it in the theater…then PFFT, it wasn’t shown. And don’t give me “technical difficulties” with making prints, that’s bullshit, they knew that all along and should have planned better.
Sept. 19, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST
actually, the lapdance was really long and showed not that much. You’re better off downloading porn than thinking you’re going to get anything interesting from real movies. I don’t even remember much from the planet terror sex scene.
Sept. 19, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST
Vern, my lover…
You are both right and wrong. Yes, SPIDER-MAN 3 is the top grossing movie of the year, but it is also the lowest grossing of the series despite having the biggest opening. Now what does that tell you? Principally that it had bad word-of-mouth; ‘Spidey 2’ opened to almost 70 million (!) below ‘Spidey 3’ and still made nearly 50m more. SHREK 3? Off 120m from SHREK 2; the same with ‘Pirates 3’. They made a lot of money, but their quality made them disappointments comparatively.
Yes, some crap movies make a lot of money, but the majority of its cume is from the massive opening weekends. If your movie opens small or modestly and has good buzz, trust me, you’ll the word-of-mouth will push you in the black; if it sucks, you’ll drop off %60 your second weekend. I’ve been following box office since I was in high school and outside a couple movies (the second “Crow” movie, “Marci X”) I have never seen a movie of such high profile make 50% of its total domestic cume in its first three days. The only thing you can attribute that to is one thing: absolutely horrible word of mouth. A good movie with good word-of-mouth does not drop 62% and 67% in its second and third weekends.
And, yes, THE GRINCH was the #1 movie in 2000 but you’re spouting off that fact out of context: it made 260m domestically, which this year would be good for only #6 (and we still have the holiday season to go). 2000 was a horrible year at the box office.
Look, I’m glad you liked the movie…I’m always glad when someone takes something from a movie-going experience. But the majority of people didn’t. It’s not the Weinsteins fault, nor is it middle America’s, and it sure wasn’t the marketing. It was simply Rodriguez and Tarantino for putting out material that most dubbed to be mediocre, Tarantino’s contribution particularly (I won’t go into a review here, but let’s just say I’m getting tired of his little wink-winks to himself).
So in summation: make a good movie and more than likely you’ll come out in the black. Make a bad one and you’ll drop like a stone, which GRINDHOUSE did.
And don’t worry about the “fucker” stuff; it’s only September and I’ve heard it muttered from a couple of my students all ready.
Sept. 19, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST
Crap Proof… Not Really
The fact that anybody could enjoy this abortion is beyond me. Death Proof is not only, hands down, QT’s worst film, buy it’s a virtual death knoll for the entire Post-modern movement in American cinema; it’s THAT bad. Mediocre acting, dreary cinemtography, lame action, and a half-baked sript. The girls are cute. So what!? Kurt is cool. Rent The Thing! DP is just an ugly mess; a failure on virtually every level. The worst aspect of the film was it’s padded running time. Death Proof was ridiculously fat, even in Grindhouse. Releasing a LONGER/Talkier version as a standalone? Obsurd. What any of you people see in this picture is a mystery to me. And I think of myself as a fan of QT. Really. But he should really distance himself from this turkey and do something original again.
Sept. 19, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST
Sterotypical Evil Archer
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Grindhouse failed in terms of box office revenue because it didn’t play at every multiplex. The closest it came to my town was 80 miles away and I live in a modest town where there are 27 screens. The audience was there, the movie wasn’t. Grindhouse succeeded in being art for art’s sake; it was an actual REASON to go to a theater because it celebrated the way movies are and have been. Death Proof is a good movie, at least on DVD. Other than Kill Bill it has more action than all the rest of his movies combined and that’s counting Tony Scott’s True Romance. I like the movies that Quentin puts out and they always surprise me; I expect something, but the result is always something else. That’s art. That’s quality. That’s becoming more and more rare. Could Death Proof have been better? Yes.
Sept. 19, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
I just titled that with my user name. I apologize and therefore should be ignored. I’m still new here.
Sept. 19, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST
Oh, and one more thing…
In box office, there is a little formula that determines whether or not your movie benefited from good word of mouth: the percentage of your opening versus that of your final take. For instance, if you have a 4x multiplier (say, open to 25m and end with 100m) that is top-tier word-of-mouth, meaning you’re generally looking at a well received flick by audiences. A 3x multiplier is average, and 2x (which GRINDHOUSE had) is unheard of. Don’t think it’s true? What were two of the more well received flicks out there this summer? TRANSFORMERS and DIE HARD; TRANSFORMERS opened in the 80m range and will finish with about 315m, or just under 4x its opening, which is solid. DIE HARD opened with a rather puny 33m and ended with around 125m, which is another solid 4x multiplier. Good word-of-mouth movies that resulted in strong box office. On the other hand, the poorly received SPIDERMAN 3 opened with 150m and ended with 338m, for about 2.2 times its opening weekend. SHREK 3? About 2.5x; PIRATES was at about 2.7x. Poorly received movies with poor box office after its opening weekend. It’s not “nerdy number crunching” but fact: box office reflects quality, regardless what you think. The general rule regarding box office is that marketing and hype can buy you a big opening weekend, but the rest of your run is dependent on the quality of your flick, and it’s true…
Sept. 19, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST
When Tarrantino Makes A Bad Movie Ill Admit It
I promise. I even sort of want it to happen so I can deny being his long term pwnee but he just doesn’t have it in him. I feel an almost professional guilt about it.
I felt it coming on with Kill Bill because of the long gap between his last movie and the ridiculous premise but the film is absolutely compelling and I always end up watching the whole thing if I catch a scene of it on tv.
And while ‘Pulp Fiction’ is my favorite I also have to agree with some of the posters on here that ‘Jackie Brown’ is his best work. Its his most conventional film and makes you wish he’d try more character based scripts with less gimmicks but with something like ‘Death Proof’ you really don’t care.
Sept. 20, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST
Tarantino is SO shy he puts himself in his own movies..
by Bill Clay
…because, realistically, who else would? He’s painful to watch.
Sept. 20, 2007, 1:09 a.m. CST
Zoe Bell was way overhyped
She can’t act, she should stick to doing stunts.
Sept. 20, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST
Cop on the edge
#1, it’s fucking 2007 man, get over the calling people gay thing. You sound like a fuckin caveman, and not the funny lovable ones from the TV commercials.
#2, as you can see here I have the internet. Thanks to this miracle of technology modern man does not need to get a quick flash of boobies on an R-rated movie to jerk off. So I didn’t even remember that PLANET TERROR cut off during the sex scene. What I did remember was that when it starts up again everything is on fire, the various characters are all fighting together and most of the character conflicts have been mysteriously resolved. It’s the funniest joke in the movie and it was obviously intended that way so yes, it would be dumb to make up scenes to go there.
Sept. 20, 2007, 1:47 a.m. CST
Well obviously there is truth to what you say about movies that are well liked having what they call “legs.” But it seems to me as a non money-counter that those type of long releases are mostly a thing of the past, now it’s all about blowing the wad on a huge opening weekend and releasing it to DVD a couple months later.
I guess my question to you is why exactly you are interested enough to study that since high school. To me it seems kind of like trainspotting or collecting old calendars or something. To each his own of course but I think your love for your hobby causes you to give the science too much credit. I mean who the fuck cares if TRANSFORMERS is a popular movie – that doesn’t change the fact that it is a moronic, inept piece of soul-less, corporate advertising garbage that manages to lower the standards of the artform, insult the intelligence of all of humanity and waste hundreds of millions of dollars that could’ve been used for something more constructive for humanity such as polishing doorknobs or making a giant fort out of money and burning it on TV. In five years few reasonable people on earth will admit they ever liked that shit but your mathematics will still prove that it got good word of mouth. So what is it other than something we can all look back on and be sad about?
And what are your favorite movies? Don’t you have some that weren’t wildly popular with the whole world? And if so, does your love for those movies mean more or less to you than your love for those numbers you add up?
And finally, do your students know you post on the internet as SnatchVagina?
Anyway, thanks again for your input Professor SnatchVagina.
Sept. 20, 2007, 2:52 a.m. CST
Your pretentiousness to this piece of shit movie only proves my point. Well done. It’s a shitty movie and your defense of it is exactly what the bad film school dropouts would say about it, as well. It is YOU who has dropped this site “a notch or two” with you insistence upon liking something that is only liked by people who hate everything liked by the massed. Good job…you’re too cool for school. Just remember, even Bender wound up fucking the cheerleader at the end of “the Breakfast Club”…you’re only as cool as your bad taste in movies allows you to be.
And Vern said:
“I mean who the fuck cares if TRANSFORMERS is a popular movie – that doesn’t change the fact that it is a moronic, inept piece of soul-less, corporate advertising garbage that manages to lower the standards of the artform, insult the intelligence of all of humanity and waste hundreds of millions of dollars that could’ve been used for something more constructive for humanity such as polishing doorknobs or making a giant fort out of money and burning it on TV. In five years few reasonable people on earth will admit they ever liked that shit but your mathematics will still prove that it got good word of mouth. So what is it other than something we can all look back on and be sad about?”…a hilarious, ironic statement when you consider that I could say the exact same thing about the abortion known as “DeathProof”…! Congrats, Vern! You’ve applauded a movie the masses will soon forget which will soon be regarded as a forgettable piece of shit…hope you’re happy your name is on the review…embarassing!
Sept. 20, 2007, 3:51 a.m. CST
You are just as worse as any “film snob”. Blindly passing off your OPINION as FACT. Don’t get me wrong, many around here do, but you are one of the many assholes nonetheless.
Sept. 20, 2007, 4:30 a.m. CST
I’m gonna get revenge on you TheRevenge
You’re not making any sense there bud. My point about TRANSFORMERS was an example for Mr. SnatchVagina of why the actual quality and substance of a movie is more important to the viewer than the box office. DEATH PROOF doesn’t parallel because it already didn’t make money, and already is not hugely popular. In fact, if I had to bet money I would bet you this: in five years TRANSFORMERS will have an INDEPENDENCE DAY or BATMAN FOREVER type reputation as a piece of garbage that once was popular, DEATH PROOF will have a JACKIE BROWN style reputation as a movie that is better than people acknowledged at the time. I could be wrong but you gotta have that chance otherwise why would anybody take the bet? And I would like SnatchVagina to hold onto the pot on this one because he’s good at counting money.
By the way, buddy, you are being what is commonly referred to as a “complete douchebag.” What you need to do in my opinion is calm down, channel your basic human decency and remember how to politely communicate with other human beings. There are reasonably intelligent conversations going on between people who disagree on the movie, so there are plenty of examples of how to passionately hate the movie without being a huge asshole about it.
I mean come on buddy, you even painted us a picture there of you sitting in your “coffeehouse” staring into your fancy coffee drink and muttering to yourself while eavesdropping on the “failed film students.” God damn it I DO get it! I AM cultured! For chrissakes I drink COFFEE! In a “COFFEHOUSE!” How DARE you failed film students go on with your pretentiousness, questioning my understanding of film! I AM A COFFEE DRINKER! AND I DID NOT LIKE A MOVIE THAT YOU LIKED SO I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG STOP LOOKING DOWN YOUR NOSE AT ME I AM A HUMAN BEING NOT AN ANIMAL! I totally should say that out loud that would be awesome.
Why are you so touchy about this “getting it” shit? Nobody said you didn’t “get it.” In fact I even made a joke about that in the damn review! Just cool it buddy.
And by the way, can you explain to me how Tarantino “betrayed his vision” by making the movie he wanted to make instead of the one you wanted him to make? Did he give you a sealed envelope explaining what his true vision was and inside it said “not DEATH PROOF” so you know for sure that was not his vision? I’m gonna have to start drinking coffee so I can overhear you explaining that one because I can’t make heads or tails of it.
Anyway man, stop with these weird fantasies of what other people think about you and just stick to your own insights on the movie, if you have any. Making those stupid generalizations kind of makes you look like a dipshit, and I think you are capable of better than dipshit status, my friend. Reach for the sky buddy and believe in yourself. Inside every douchebag lies the heart of a potential champion.
Sept. 20, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST
Self-indulgent twaddle- both the movie and your review!
Come on, Vern. If the title hadn’t had ‘Tarantino’ above it, then you wouldn’t have even sat through the entire thing.
This was lazy, self-indulgent filmmaking at its worst and to berate the Weinsteins for their involvement is a pretty shoddy excuse for the lack of B.O. success of the movie.
The real reason for its failure was that it was shit. Pure shit.
Incidentally, it is being released theatrically this week (solo) in the UK. Check out the reviews so far – You don’t need to read them; you can SMELL ’em!
Sept. 20, 2007, 6:04 a.m. CST
That sound you hear…
by Internet Thug
“laughin’ my fuckin’ ass off
by instruction Sep 19th, 2007
“I can’t believe no one mentioned that.. by Internet Thug Sep 19th, 2007 05:38:07 PM Deathproof features a white car pursuing a black car and running it off the road..it is obviously QT’s statement on race relations in America in the 21st Century.” Nigga are you serious? “Race relations.” You saw that far into this fuckin’ movie? “Statement”. I could see you saying that, but to point it out here? Are you f…fuck you gonna do,get on Bill Maher’s show enxt time mos def and cornell west arrive? I mean damn dude. I see allegories too but jesus. Don’t give over-rated fuckers too much credit. That on’t make them jesus fuckin’ christ walkin’ ’cause they put a obvious “statement” (lol) in there. OOh, o I guess when clark wears “black”, that means he’s supposed to be a badguy, right? All I’m wondering is how fast will you assume I’m white, like everyone on the internet always assumes when you make these types of comments. (I love carefully-worded, heh heh, statements). Internet thug indeed.”
Is the fucking point zooming past your mushmelon you dumb douchebag.
I take it you have yet to reach the part in the dictionary where they define “sarcasm”. Try to keep up..like they say Reading is fucking fundamental son.
Sept. 20, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST
I walked out on DP, anyone else?
I thought Planet Terror was good, but I had to leave halfway through Death Proof because of the retarded banter between the women. I got up to the diner sequence, and I couldn’t take anymore when after killing off the last set of Yappy Bitches, we are introduced to another set with that lame ass “I’m a Stuntwoman, Fucka!” dialog. Grindhouse died because half of it was Tarentinos worst film.
Sept. 20, 2007, 6:12 a.m. CST
Vern you ignorant slut
by Internet Thug
I fucking wept like a fat girl watching the notebook when Ironhide died so fuck you and your souless corporate moneymaking bullshit you heartless fuck!!!
Sept. 20, 2007, 6:12 a.m. CST
Don’t Waste $$$
Hey geeks – I’d wait on buying the DP DVD. Soon enough it will be in the bargain bin! For $6.99! And I still wouldn’t buy it!
Otherwise, enjoy wasting your money and time on this piece of shit!
Sept. 20, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST
The state of Tarantino dialog
I was a little thrown when Q started “sampling” Garfield comic strips for bits of dialog. He punctuated one exchange with “I resemble that remark.” Realistic, I guess, but I also thought it was telling.
And, man, I know people like different shit. I even think that the idea behind the flick was pretty good: Mike as a poser w the girls being the real badasses. But what confounds me is that people were entertained buy this flick. (There’s your Weinstien subliminal command.)
Part of the problem is that it was the 2nd half. Planet Terror was entertaining, mostly, but dragged for me once they left the BBQ, so I was already antsy. But most of the problem was that Death Proof was tedious. I didn’t walk, but I admire the guy who did.
And I think Q might have lost his coolness factor. The fact Tarantino jizzed all over Vanishing point was enough to get that film in video stores. I see it all the time. The fact Tarantino jizzed all over Vanishing Point isn’t enough to get that film out of video stores. Again, I see it sitting in video stores all the time.
Sept. 20, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST
I don’t know, man…
…sometimes people just want to go to the movies to be entertained, and that does not necessarily mean the movie has to be GOOD to accomplish that. TRANSFORMERS, I think, is a good example. I don’t think it was a great or even good movie, but damn it, man, I had fun watching it. It’s the same when I go to watch a Will Ferrel movie – I KNOW it’s not going to be good, not even on a low-brow comedy standard, but hell, man, I’m just killing two hours to be entertained. Not everything has to be GOOD for you to enjoy it. Hell, I pop in my NIGHT AT THE ROXBURY DVD about once a month and I know that movie is shit. TRANSFORMERS had good word-of-mouth because people had a good time at it; yes, the story was lame and the action was a mess and the pacing was off, but the concept and a couple of cool set pieces made the $8 spent worth it for a lot of folk (including myself).
And to answer Vern’s question, yes, there are movies that I love that didn’t do well at the box office. FIGHT CLUB is one example, but it just happened that I was ahead of the curve on that one because it grew a cult following on DVD. But the FIGHT CLUBs of the world are very much the exception. Sure, we all vary occasionally from what the masses like; I’m not exception. But for the most part I can look at a movie’s box office take and its legs and determine generally what whether it was well received or not. Some people look at critical reviews at ROTTENTOMATOES, some by user reviews at IMDB, and some use box office. C’mon, man, you know that the MAJORITY of box office goers over 30 pretty much see movies based on some kind of second hand knowledge…we’re past the stage of just blindly going to a movie not knowing whether we’re going to waste $8 and 2 hours of our time. For me, a 28 year old school teacher with an 8 month old, I can’t just go see every movie out there that looks interesting to me.
Sept. 20, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST
…and regarding GRINDHOUSE
…yes, movies are more frontloaded nowadays, but those are primarily the front-loaded blockbuster fare, which only populate your local cinema May thru July and November and December. The rest of the time you’ve got movies that open in the 10-20m range thats whole success depends on word-of-mouth. GRINDHOUSE is one of those movies. My predict on BOXOFFICEMOJO.com was that it would open with 18m and finish with about 70m because of good word-of-mouth. It opened to 12m, but even so, if it had even mediocre WOM it should have ended with at least 40m. It ended with 25m. That’s…absolutely atrocious. Hell, man, SON OF THE MASK didn’t even drop that hard. Thing is, people were coming out saying this: too long and not worth it. I like the concept of a GRINDHOUSE double feature, but it’s not a concept for the masses. There’s a drive-in just north of Austin in Killeen that carried GRINDHOUSE – THAT’S the ideal way to see the movie. People nowadays don’t want to spend all day in a cinema when they’ll be able to Netflix the damn thing in two months.
Sept. 20, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST
Yes, Vern, I do “GET IT!”
I just don’t like it.
Sept. 20, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST
SnatchV, you actually teach children?
by Spandau Belly
What subject? It must be some sort of advanced hybrid of math and English where you teach children which books are classics based book sales per demographic breakdown multiplied by sales of other titles by that author and minus the page count factoring in what weekend the book was released etc.
It’s nice to know that an entire generation is being shaped to ignore content and explain everything through capitalistic circumstantial qualifier-heavy babble.
I hope your child has great openning weekend! Cheers!
Sept. 20, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST
I dig Rodriguez and Tarantino, for the most part, but couldn’t stand “Grindhouse”. The film was flimsy and silly, poorly written, and just stupid. To me it screamed, “Us filmmakers are gonna sniff more coke than ever before, get more infantile in our writing than ever before, and who fucking cares? Yeehaw!”
Both directors are better than this. I hope they return to making films worth watching.
Sept. 20, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST
Knowthyself/Cobbio – a lesson in grindhouse
Knowthyself – Why would you expect a grindhouse film, or an ode to grindhouse film, to be decent or make sense?
Cobbio – Flimsy, silly, poorly written, just stupid. Sounds like a true grindhouse film to me.
RR and QT – mission accomplished.
Sept. 20, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST
Thing is, when you stretch these into full-length films
they cease to be the silly and fun gimmicks they were intended to be and become something else altogether. You fuckers are all arguing about these vignettes-turned-features, but you all know neither QT nor Rodriguez truly intended these to be stand-alone film entries in their filmographies. They weren’t intended to be feature-length films, and as such, they simply don’t work. Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
Sept. 20, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST
TomBodet: You know in GHOST DOG how Ghost Dog and his friend the ice cream man don’t speak the same language, but always understand each other? Me and you are the opposite of that. You’re clearly writing in English but I never know what you’re talking about.
MKIro: Man, for the third time I did not “berate the Weinsteins for their involvement” or make an excuse for the poor box office. You can call my review self-idulgent twaddle, that is fair, but only if you READ the fuckin thing first. I berated the Weinsteins for their decades of being the god damn Weinsteins, not for releasing GRINDHOUSE (which I referred to as a good deed).
But I guess you’re right, I actually only liked DEATH PROOF because it had the name Tarantino on the credits, and not for the many reasons I have explained in this review, my original GRINDHOUSE review and various talkbacks. Those are all just a cover story I made up for some weird reason and every time I watch DEATH PROOF and “enjoy” it it is actually some sort of weird chemical imbalance or something that exactly resembles enjoyment but is in fact not liking the movie, I guess. thanks for helping me to see the light on that one.
SNATCH: See, I just don’t see movies in the same way as you do I guess. Because if you watch NIGHT AT THE ROXBURY every month and enjoy it, why do you call it shit? Maybe to me it is (never seen it) but I’m gonna guess it makes you laugh so why can’t you accept it as a good movie? For me an example would be STONE COLD starring Brian Bosworth. Sure, it doesn’t stand up to some asshole’s idea of what a respectable movie is supposed to be, but it is completely entertaining and full of brilliance in the stuntwork and (over)acting so I would never call it “shit,” in fact it is THE shit.
I always hated that notion of “guilty pleasures,” but then I always hated the idea of being obsessed with box office, so I guess it makes sense that you would have both. Thanks for the discussion though, maybe we can learn from each other like Toshiro Mifune and Lee Marvin in HELL IN THE PACIFIC.
Sept. 20, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST
Vern, at least you admit it
Sept. 20, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST
I wonder if BJ brought The Bear
people that dont like death proof are entitled to their opinion i guess but it fucking kicks ass and I would say the dvd made it better. i have so much appreciation for the car stunts now and i actually liked the deleted footage re-inserted.
Sept. 20, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST
What do you think the Farm Rapist did
by Internet Thug
to that purdy little cheerleader when those bitches didn’t bring back his car…now that is a sequel crying out to be made..get snappin’ five-head.
Sept. 20, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST
Good points about QT and RR accomplishing their mission of making a flimsy, silly, poorly written, and stupid grindhouse movie. I’m sure people who enjoy grindhouse movies dug it. It was probably the highest budget grindhouse movie ever, so I agree: mission accomplished.
I just wish Rodriguez and Tarantino had made something worth watching. There’s a reason the film tanked: nobody wanted to watch it. It was a bad decision by the Weinsteins to fund it and a bad decision by QT and RR to make it.
Grindhouse geeks loved it, sure, but they compromise .00000000000000000000000000000024 (possibly less) of the moviegoing population. The film was so bad and did so poorly at the box office that I hope it’s the death knell of the grindhouse genre. How would that be for irony?
Sept. 20, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST
Responses to SPANDAU BELLY and VERN
SPANDAU BELLY: Oh yes, the horror of a teacher actually using empirical data and evidence versus his or her own personal opinion and bias! The shame! I guess good ol’ SnatchVagina shouldn’t be teaching kids because he actually looks at what’s proven to be true; instead, I guess I should start teaching with what I personally deem to true rather than all that scientific research bullshit. You say this: “It’s nice to know that an entire generation is being shaped to ignore content and explain everything through capitalistic circumstantial qualifier-heavy babble,” as though my interest in box office would have any bearing on how I teach my kids. Uhhh, what planet are you from, my friend? Everyone wears different hats in their life; most sane people know how to differentiate between them. You can watch porn late at night in the privacy of your bedroom without acting like a damn porn star during the day, you know. Grow up (and learn to spell…maybe you could come work with some of my 5th graders; they’ll teaching you how to spell “coming”). VERN: It takes perspective for someone to sit back and acknowledge that their own personal tastes aren’t always what is necessarily “good” or of quality. Saying that “Stone Cold” (which I freakin’ loved growing up) absolutely MUST be a good movie because, well, you like it, is a very egotistical stand to take. I acknowledge that my opinion is not necessarily the end-all, be-all; maybe to me, but I try not to look at everything from just my perspective. Hell, if what you say is true then I guess that Halo prequel book I just read (and dug) is a better book than James Joyce’s classic “Finnigan’s Wake,” which I despised. That’s just horrible logic. I’m not self absorbed enough to think that I’m always right.
Sept. 21, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST
THIS JUST IN…
Vern is still gay.
And Northlander, how do you know what the Planet Terror sex scene is like, have you seen it?
Sept. 21, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST
by Shis Cabob
The conversation portions of Death Proof seemed identical to the conversation’s in Dogs and Pulp… this time with women. Sorry, but I think women have a harder time pulling off much of QT’s writing style. Not everyone can be a believable badass.
QT’s writing is dull after you’ve seen it more then twice. It a little distracting to hear a string of phrases that was just used in SinCity… are you trying to make me think of that film, or did you already run out of material?
If QT does a normal film next… like a movie that isn’t a concept film, or an adaptation from a comic book… he’s going to have stick to directing and skip the writing. please.
Sept. 21, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST
Everyone has their opinion, yes, but I’m not naive enough to be Vern and think that DEATH PROOF is a good movie when a vast majority of the movie-going public thinks it’s not. Hell, man, PHANTOM MENACE is in my top ten favorite movies because I’m a big STAR WARS fan but I don’t kid myself into thinking that it’s any good. I like TRANSFORMERS because it brought my childhood fantasy of seeing giant robot cars fighting each other on the big screen to fruition, but that alone doesn’t make it a good movie. I think a lot of my opinion, but like religion I’m not willing to attribute my beliefs to popular beliefs. I like A NIGHT AT THE ROXBURY. Most people don’t. Does that mean it’s a good movie just because I like it? No. I still like it, but that doesn’t make it what is generally perceived as being “good”. I’m not that egotistical.
Sept. 21, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST
Post nine more times in a row Kabukiman
Shit, think much of yourself there, partner? By the way, your logic sucks: just because something earns a shitload of money it *must* be good? Well, fuck, then Vanilla Ice must be a true talent, huh? I think he sold about 10 million copies, you fucking retard.
Sept. 21, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST
Kabukiman and Snatch
Kabukiman, your logic is fine. Cruel Kingdom either misread, or is just way off base there. Who can blame you for posting that much when you’re dealing with such mentalities. I can’t say I’m in agreement with you on the Star Wars prequels, but I won’t start anything there (I’ve tried to defend those movies multiple times in these forums and it’s essentially a no win situation). Just understand I don’t like them based on where they place on the box office chart, or even because I love Star Wars.
Snatch, your point, from what I can gather, is that the quality of a movie is reflected in its take at the box office. If I’m off-base there it’s due to a lack of conciseness on your part (I don’t have all day to read this stuff). In any case, that’s got to be the most asinine argument ever made in these talkbacks. I can’t even begin to list how many movies debunk this premise of yours (and a few others – what the hell is going through those brains, anything?). A lot of movies just don’t get wide distribution, and not because they’re not good films. If I even need to begin to explain why that is to you, well, all I can say is you’ve got a lot to learn about the world we live in.
Sept. 21, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST
“If I’m off-base there it’s due to a lack of conciseness on your part (I don’t have all day to read this stuff).” Yeah, buddy, you’re off base. You preach to me that I have a lot to learn about the world yet you’re willing to jump in a conversation without having read any of the back-log. Nice. If you go back and read my initial conversation with VERN you’d realize I wasn’t saying that how much a movie makes is reflective of its quality, but instead that there are SOME ELEMENTS, such as WEEK-TO-WEEK DROPS BASED ON WORD-OF-MOUTH, that are indicative of whether a movie is being well received by audiences or not. It had nothing to do with how much a movie makes and you’d know that if you’d actually READ what the hell the initial conversation was about. What I was saying (which I think VERN ultimately agreed with me on) is that movies that are generally well-received have good word-of-mouth and small drops at the box office from week-to-week, meaning that people are going ON RECOMMENDATIONS FROM FRIENDS AND FAMILY (if you hadn’t noticed, I’m highlighting key words seeing as you like to jump around without reading everything). GRINDHOUSE had some of the worst week-to-week drops of ANY MOVIE IN HISTORY. My argument was that films that get good word-of-mouth do not drop 62% and 67% in consecutive weeks…it just doesn’t happen if they’re getting any kind of good buzz. If your weekend drops are in the upper-sixties in terms of percentile then you’re getting about as good a recommendation as SON OF THE MASK and MARCI X did, which are some of the few to have fallen that quickly at the box office. In my example to VERN above I used SPIDERM-MAN 3 as an example: it made a ton of money, but in the end it was the lowest grossing of the series despite having the biggest opening; it opened to 70 million more than SPIDER-MAN 2 did, but ‘Spidey 2’ ended up with 50m more. What does that tell you? That the movie had horrible word of mouth. Yes, it made a lot, but comparatively it had by far the worst legs of any of its siblings. A movie’s legs are reflective of its quality, not its final gross or how much money it makes in the end. That’s basic data analysis, my friend. Now what were you saying?
Sept. 21, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST
I misread, Kabukiman
Sorry. You’re still an assclown, though.
Sept. 21, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST
I was saying you’re argument is asinine. I’ll stand by that statement. Later.
Sept. 22, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST
Thanks for the nice, pert response. I’ll take that as a “you’re right, I fucked up” and move right along.
Sept. 22, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST
Oh, and Strosmer – one more thing…
You write “I can’t even begin to list how many movies debunk this premise of yours (and a few others – what the hell is going through those brains, anything?).” Well, sir, I challenge you to do just that – list me ONE movie that ended up grossing 50% of its entire box office take in its first three days. C’mon, man, you said you had a complete list that debunks my theory…tell me what’s on it?
Sept. 22, 2007, 5:38 a.m. CST
The Curse Of The Dream Ticket
the problem is we all expected something outstanding as you had Tarantino working with Kurt Russell. think back to how we were all excited about the idea of Scorsese working with Day Lewis and Neeson on Gangs Of New York, only to see 3 putrid hours of watches being stolen. there was no way that a Tarantino / Russell film was going to live up to the expectations all had, but the fact that they delivered a distinctly average film made it worse. it’s like they were not even trying.
i agree with most – the moronic, dull, morose and inane conversations between the girls which takes up far too much of the film is what kills this one. a great shame, a lost opportunity. oh well.
Sept. 22, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST
For Pete’s sake, Snatch
I said, “your point, from what I can gather, is that the quality of a movie is reflected in its take at the box office.” I could have started listing away had that indeed been your premise. But you were right, I was off base there. With that in mind, I won’t challenge your theory. I believe you have put a lot of time into your data analysis, your formula, and perhaps have developed a valid theory – “WEEK-TO-WEEK DROPS BASED ON WORD-OF-MOUTH are indicative of whether a movie is being well received by audiences or not.” This is your theory, correct? Nice work. What relevance does it have to film criticism? None. It’s asinine. Now how about you and me each find something far more worthwhile to occupy our time with? Yeah. This whole damn talkback is asinine. I say that based on the premise that DEATH PROOF ROCKED! Muwahahahhahaha!
Sept. 22, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST
Notice no one argued my point about the dialogue
being shitty and unquotable. Name me one really cool line of dialogue in this whole fucking mess of a film.
Sept. 22, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST
Go fuck yourself
If you have nothing serious to contribute, then don’t.
Sept. 22, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST
tarantino above the law?
by RAWHEAD RALF
…hasn’t some cinematic rule been breached having zoe bell play herself in a dramatic fictional picture? is she actually playing zoe bell the stuntwoman who makes motion pictures? kurt russel bless you for taking on the stuntman mike role, the character is right up there with snake plissken in its greatness…
Sept. 23, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST
In my opinion, almost every line out of Kurt Russel’s mouth was pretty fuckin quotable.
Sept. 24, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST
Okay, I’ll admit it once and for all:
by Napolean Solo
I love “You Got Served”.
I, I can’t help it. I… really love “You Got Served”.
… save me
Sept. 25, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST
Sept. 25, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST
QUENTIN AND ROB ZOMBIE SHOULD TEAM UP
REDNECKS CAN DISCUSS HOW TURA SATANA DESERVED AN OSCAR FOR HER PERFORMANCE IN FASTER PUSSYCAT KILL
Sept. 27, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST
it was okay
i thought it was okay. not as good as his other work but… ahhh err, not bad… some cool death scenes.. some of the chicks were hot..
Sept. 27, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST
QUENTIN AND ROB ZOMBIE SHOULD TEAM UP
i agree they should do a grind house style twilight zone co-produced by dimension & lion’s gate!!
Sept. 29, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST
What Vern is saying is who gives a shit what makes a good movie, which is exactly what you were saying. In the post about Transformers you talked about just wanting to have a good time and all Vern is saying is to define the quality of some movies on whether or not it succeeds that that modest goal. I agree with that too. Nobody’s going to run off with your Film Buff card if you tell someone you think Night at the Roxbury is a good movie (although I might set it on fire because you liked Transformers just to spite you).
And for the record I thought Death Proof was awesome. People who say it wasn’t “grindhouse” weren’t paying attention to the way it totally pushes buttons in the most exploitative way, like showing a crash three times or having a 10 minute car chase with a girl on the hood and then sending them back to beat up on the guy. There’s a difference between a B-movie and an exploitation movie, and Grindhouse was a great example.
Personally I didn’t think much of the Kill Bill movies or Reservoir Dogs so hopefully I’m not choking on too much of Tarantino’s cock. You can say that’s only three movies but last time I checked there were only six of them so eat me.
Oct. 1, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST
by Samson Posey
I loved this movie, though it’s definitely not for everyone. Kurt Russell plays a great psycho and has a great cowardly turn at the end. All of the girls played their roles well, especially Butterfly. The car chase scene is old school, legendary muscle cars and well-crafted stunts.
I enjoyed the theatre version a great deal, but the extended version is even better. It stands well on its own. It’s a movie that’s not meant to be over-analyzed. It’s Tarantino’s take on a 70’s slasher pic, and his ego definitely gets in the way of the true Grindhouse spirit. The best way to describe it is: glorious, explosive and mindless fun.
Oct. 2, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST
the film was called GRINDHOUSE and that’s what shoulda been released.
how bizzare for vern to not plan on watching GH again so he’s fine for it be cut up — WHAT? the whole point of GH was to duplicate a night at the movies and to putthat dvd on at home is what you should want. that’s a party movie mix right there! but objectively, DP does not work alone. russell is fantastic but to cut away from him to some of the most boring shallow women in recent film history was a deadly mistake. i’m sure qt thinks his dialogue is true and great, but it’s only true for teen girls hanging out on melrose. and not a one would ever be referencing VANISHING POINT. qt made a grindhouse movie without the grind.
still my favorite theater experience in years tho – as it was meant to be seen. got it vern?
Oct. 11, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST
Fuckin’ loved it
I love how QT splatters the screen with all that he loves. Stuntman Mike, Zoe the Cat, weird 70s vibe, Vanishing Point, and Death Proof. I was really thrown when Jungle Jill pulls out a cellphone, but it made me love the movie even more. I love watching QT films because every frame drips with his gooey love.
Oct. 28, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST
by vic g
horrible movie. hey quentin why don’t you stop ripping off foreign movies and do something original.fucking hack
Nov. 1, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST
by Charlie & Tex
We got the objective of the movie, but we still thought that it was supremely boring even in the Grindhouse version and there is nothing more piss-boring than hearing QT-written girly chit-chat for what seems like an eternity – much of the dialogue is only heard within the confines of a QT movie and sticks in the throat like a rogue herring bone.
VERN has been reviewing movies since 1999 and is the author of the books SEAGALOGY: A STUDY OF THE ASS-KICKING FILMS OF STEVEN SEAGAL, YIPPEE KI-YAY MOVIEGOER!: WRITINGS ON BRUCE WILLIS, BADASS CINEMA AND OTHER IMPORTANT TOPICS and NIKETOWN: A NOVEL. His horror-action novel WORM ON A HOOK will arrive later this year.