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Forrest Gump

July 6th, 1994

We associate the summer movie season with a certain type of blockbuster. There have been many years where the biggest movie was about a Batman, a Spider-Man, a Terminator, some dinosaurs, some Jedis. 1994 had a different approach – the real behemoth was a cutesy romp through 20th century American history, a bit of a comedy, a bit of a weepy. FORREST GUMP was the year’s highest grossing movie at the domestic box office (#2 to THE LION KING worldwide), its soundtrack album reached #2 on the Billboard album charts (also below THE LION KING) and went twelve times platinum. The movie won Oscars for best picture, director, actor, adapted screenplay, visual effects and editing, and it even inspired a chain of seafood restaurants. So fuck THE LION KING.

It’s funny, I remember going to see this movie right when it came out, not expecting any of that. I was going as a fan of Robert Zemeckis’ obsession with pushing technology forward. I had read about the scenes where Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump is made to appear in footage with John F. Kennedy, Gerald Ford and other real people. It was a new technological feat at the time and this was the guy who had combined animation with live action so well in WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT and made a digital hole through Goldie Hawn in DEATH BECOMES HER. Remember how that seemed like the coolest thing ever?

So here was this gimmick with the news footage and we also had our minds blown by the speed ping pong and especially the scenes where Gary Sinise (OF MICE AND MEN) as Lt. Dan has lost his legs, and they erased them digitally, something we’d never seen or thought of before. Seeing it now I’m most impressed that they initially stage it with him laying on a bed so we’ll assume it’s the old magician’s illusion with his real legs hidden inside the bed – but then he’s lifted up. That’s showmanship.

While being amazed by that stuff I really didn’t realize until later that digital FX also combined many shots of extras to fill in the crowd at the Washington monument, as well as less showy things like changing skies and adding mountains and things. It seemed incredible when you read about it. Really? They’re using CGI in dramas now? Not for a dinosaur or a magic dagger with a face on it? And I thought it was seamless. Now I notice some of it but it just looks normal. This is how most movies are made now. Zemeckis got there first.

But when we remember FORREST GUMP I don’t think most people’s minds jump to technical stuff. It’s a story that got people emotionally invested, made them cry, made them feel inspired, that’s why it was a phenomenon. I do believe it’s that simple.

The amount many people were moved by it, though, may be rivaled by the amount other people hated it, or have come to hate it. I confess that I really liked it at the time, have not seen it in whole since the ‘90s, and had no idea what I’d think of it now. But every time I mentioned to anyone that I would be rewatching it for this series it inspired scoffing and negativity. In many circles it has a reputation as corny, manipulative, full of shit in its politics. I don’t entirely disagree with all that, but I do think it’s some 20/20 hindsight funny business to call it Oscar bait. If Zemeckis knew that his movie starring Tom Hanks as an intellectually disabled southerner who teaches Elvis how to dance and goes to ‘Nam and becomes a ping pong champion and gets rich because his shrimp boat survives a hurricane and invents “shit happens” and his wife dies of AIDS was gonna win best picture, then we better be asking him for the Lotto numbers. Whatever your opinions on its potentially middlebrow worldview it’s not a safe movie. It’s weird as shit.

I won’t go into much detail about the plot, written by Eric Roth (THE CONCORDE… AIRPORT ’79), adapted from the 1986 novel by Winston Groom. It’s the life story of this remarkably lucky individual, whose childhood leg braces lead to being chased by bullies which leads to playing football which leads to heroism during the Vietnam War which leads to success in the shrimp industry. Along the way he intersects with many historical figures and events, understanding none of them, and periodically reconnects with his childhood best friend Jenny (Robin Wright, HOLLYWOOD VICE SQUAD), whose life is more rebellious and difficult than his.

And all of this is told by him to politely nodding strangers waiting for the bus. Come on, Forrest, can’t you see this poor lady is trying to read People? It’s a very relatable public transit situation because there are people who will start monologuing at you no matter how little interest you show. But I too will be polite to them and more forgiving when they appear to have a disability.

Forrest’s story is more palatable if you take it as a goof than as a grand portrait of 20th century American life or some shit. But it can’t help but come across as the magnum opus of watered down boomer nostalgia, cataloging all things they considered so important – JFK, Elvis, Vietnam, hippies (if not Woodstock), a little bit of the civil rights movement, investing in stocks – but in a light-hearted and purportedly non-political way, and intentionally soundtracked with the most obvious, recognizable songs of the era. It’s clear that deep cuts weren’t allowed, but I didn’t previously know that Zemeckis forbade anything that wasn’t American. He “felt Forrest would only buy American,” whatever that means. But that’s why there’s none of his beloved Beatles, or the Rolling Stones, or Crosby Stills Nash and Young, or even Bryan Adams. (But Galt MacDermot wrote “Age of Aquarius” and he was born in Canada – sucker!)

So many things in FORREST GUMP (life is like a box of chocolates, run Forrest run, my name is Forrest Gump people call me Forrest Gump) are so ingrained into the cultural consciousness that it’s hard to even step back and accept them as an organic part of the movie. But I remembered most of the cute shit more clearly than the crazy shit. It really is right at the beginning that Forrest says he was descended from the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, and named after him as a reminder that “sometimes we all do things that, well, just don’t make no sense.” But he calls Nathan Bedford Forrest a “great civil war hero,” and his only understanding of what didn’t make sense was riding around wearing bed sheets.

There is something both sweet and condescending about this notion that lacking awareness of the invented concept of race Forrest’s default is to be kind to everybody, like you obviously should be. I’m sure some people hate it but I actually think the scene where he witnesses segregationist asshole George Wallace at his school is really funny. Forrest talks to some slur-spewing bigot about integration and clearly doesn’t get what he’s talking about. Then he ends up in news footage standing behind Wallace with a great paging-Mr.-Herman type look on his face. He doesn’t know what the fuck these guys are talking about but just assumes it must make sense. I don’t think he knows there are things in the world that don’t make sense.

The score by Alan Silvestri (SUMMER RENTAL) helps make it feel saccharine sweet, but Zemeckis and Roth have to know there’s something darkly humorous about a guy going through all this and maintaining a positive outlook on life only because he’s monumentally oblivious. He doesn’t understand why the Klan is bad, what segregation is, or what the Black Panthers are about, or what the war he fights in is about. Even as a grown man looking back he has no clue that Jenny was molested, describing her father as “a very loving man” because “he was always kissing and touching her and her sisters.” I used to think it was kind of a cheat that we don’t hear what he says to the anti-war march, because it allowed you to make up your own world view for him, but I was ignoring that that’s the whole joke. He had nothing to say and lucked out because nobody heard it.

Many people have read FORREST GUMP as a conservative film. That includes people criticizing it (like this Eric Kohn piece on Indiewire that says it “celebrates family values and obedience to the system over anyone who clashes with it”), as well as people praising it, like this National Review “Best Conservative Movies” list that says it’s about “an amiable dunce who is far too smart to embrace the lethal values of the 1960s.”

It’s an interpretation that seems to make sense, even though it’s ignoring both the feather metaphor and the box of chocolates simile to say that lifestyles lead to predetermined outcomes. It’s true that Forrest succeeds wildly in life by following a code of mama, God, Jenny, and cumming in his pants the moment he touches a boob, while Jenny dies of AIDS after she protested wars and racism, enjoyed music and sex and drugs. Only… nobody outside of the National Review ever said “That Jenny, she got what she deserved.” The movie loves Jenny as much as Forrest does, and understands her more than he does. And both the movie and Forrest agree that this shit isn’t fair exactly because Jenny knew about shit and cared about shit and tried to do things.

And anyway, what would that mean about all the famous people Forrest meets and then notes that they were later shot – was it their fault? And can we include George Wallace as part of the “lethal values of the 1960s,” or only John Lennon? It would be good for everyone to be nice like Forrest, but this is not a story about “do as Forrest does.” Think of all those people who saw profundity in his jogging across the country and started literally following him, only to be confused and disappointed when he abruptly got bored and went home. You need to find your own path, your own meaning.

But one think I think is very conservative about the movie is that the only fictional characters who come across as strident jerks are Jenny’s Black Panther friends and her activist boyfriend Wesley (Geoffrey Blake, THE LAST STARFIGHTER, FERNGULLY: THE LAST RAIN FOREST). The latter I don’t mind because I think it’s important to show there are lots of dudes who pass themselves off as righteous left wingers but are sexist, abusive assholes. But my eyebrow is raised that the Black Panthers are such cartoons. At least make them funny, then, like the ones in I’M GONNA GIT YOU SUCKA.

One thing I really noticed this time is that despite his many hardships and the sacrifices his mom (Sally Field, HOOPER) makes for him, Forrest is very privileged in the sense that his mom inherited a huge home that “had been in Mama’s family since her grandpa’s grandpa’s grandpa had come across the ocean about a thousand years ago” and was able to live off of renting the rooms out to people. Keep in mind that Forrest’s ancestors include Nathan Bedford Forrest, who in real life grew up poor but managed to buy some cotton plantations and become one of the wealthiest people in the south. He was considered one of the top four slave traders in Memphis, and is believed to have sold thousands of human beings for profits of hundreds of thousands of dollars. A Tennessee newspaper hyped up that he supposedly sold Frederick Douglass’s daughter. Then he was a confederate general whose troops massacred several hundred surrendering soldiers (most of them Black) in one of the most notorious atrocities of the civl war. But after the war he went unpunished, and continued the cause as the first national leader of the KKK as they terrorized polling places to scare Black voters and office seekers. He eventually tried to dissolve the Klan and disavowed racist violence, but I’m not ready to nominate him for a humanitarian award. He was also running a farm labored by convicts who were reportedly treated just as brutally as slaves.

So people descended from that bastard, including Forrest, were born with the benefit of his blood money. And Forrest is able to lead a life of incredible adventure and accomplishment, with few worries. Meanwhile, Jenny grows up in a crappy little shack “as old as Alabama” where her dad abuses her, and goes on to live an abbreviated life frequently contemplating suicide.

Lieutenant Dan’s inheritance is “a long, great military tradition. Somebody in his family had fought and died in every single American war.” So that would include the one Nathan Bedford Forrest got to survive. Like Jenny, Dan spends many years suicidal, believing it was his duty to die in the war. And Bubba (Mykelti Wiilliamson, MIRACLE MILE) inherits a love of shrimp after at least three generations on his mother’s side cooked it… as servants to rich white people. To his credit, Forrest ends up breaking that cycle by giving a cut of his shrimp profits to Bubba’s mother (Marlena Smalls), and she has a white person serve her shrimp. So this sort of stuff is on the movie’s mind.

Forrest also lives his whole life with a Black maid, Louise (Margo Moorer), one of the few characters in the movie who does not receive a page on the otherwise very thorough Forrest Gump fandom.com wiki. Hmm.

So my view is that there’s more going on here than some people acknowledge, even if I’m not sure what all to make of it. How much did Zemeckis, Roth or Groom intend/think about these themes? I don’t know. But they don’t seem to be included by accident.

I found some somewhat cryptic comments from Roth on an episode of an episode of the podcast Script Notes. He told host John August that many consider FORREST GUMP “a poke in the eye at liberalism… I don’t have the same feeling about it,” but also that “Zemeckis and I are quite different” and “the movie was criticized probably rightly in some respects,” but also “it’s supposed to be a satire, you know.” I’d like more insight into what he specifically considers it to be satirizing, but it’s an intriguing implication that he and Zemeckis might’ve been working somewhat at cross-purposes. (Not in a combative way. They have recently united for the upcoming film HERE.)


So what do I think of FORREST GUMP after watching it in 2024? That’s a tough one. I can’t help but resent how it ends up being sort of a K-Tel compilation of hit songs and historical moments, implying that these are all the most important things that happened in the period but showing them through the perspective of a person who has no opinion on them or even a basic understanding of them. Which actually would be fine because we don’t have to follow suit, but the problem is, this guy is so nice! I would like to be able to hate a motherfucker who went to war because he liked running and came home without many further insights.

But it still manages to pull me in, partly through Zemeckis’ meticulous filmatistic construction, and partly by having a such a unique tone. The heaviest part happens right after the wocka-wocka joke that he’s been waiting for a bus for hours and then finds out the place he’s going is like a block away and it’s easier just to walk. Somehow it totally meshes. I watched it with more cynical eyes than I ever had before but it still managed to pull some tears out of them at the end. I was like Romy and Michele “making fun of” PRETTY WOMAN.

But that’s okay. If Forrest doesn’t have to have an opinion on anything, why should I?


ADDITIONAL NOTES:

Trivia:

There are all kinds of behind-the-scenes stories about people who famously were considered to direct or star in FORREST GUMP, I won’t get into all that, but I want to mention two little things:

1. Paramount got it from Warner Brothers by trading the script for EXECUTIVE DECISION. (Sub-note: Kurt Russell reportedly dubbed Elvis’ voice.)

2. Tupac Shakur’s wife Keisha Morris told Uproxx that they saw FORREST GUMP on their first date; he wanted to see it because he had read for the part of Bubba. Boy, that might’ve really changed the trajectory of things if he’d gotten the part!

Aborted sequel:

At the time I wondered if we were supposed to consider whether or not Forrest Jr. (Haley Joel Osment, Walker Texas Ranger) was born with HIV. After rewatching it, I felt I had been overthinking it. But then I read about the sequel Roth wrote (separate from Groom’s sequel book Gump and Co.), and apparently yeah, he had the poor kid being HIV+, experiencing discrimination at school and then dying! What the fuck! And he put Forrest into
‘90s historical moments so, this will sound like a joke if you haven’t heard this before but I swear it’s true, he says he had Forrest ducked down in the back of O.J.’s Bronco. He also had the Oklahoma City bombing happen right behind Forrest and when 9-11 happened one day after turning in the script he and the studio immediately agreed that the world didn’t need this movie anymore. If they had made it it’s hard to imagine a scenario where it’s not an infamous fiasco, but then again, FORREST GUMP might sound like one if you described it before it existed.

Other stuff that probly wasn’t in the script but I hope was: Forrest inspires the lyrics of “Smells Like Teen Spirit,” Forrest is in the limo with Tupac when he gets shot, Forrest accidentally starts a fire in a mansion that Lisa “Left Eye” Lopes takes the blame for, something about the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Forrest gives Seinfeld the idea for a show about nothing, Forrest is an extra in the coffee shop on Friends, Forrest invents the Furby, Forrest convinces Michael Jordan to play baseball, Forrest is on the balcony with Michael Jackson when he holds up the baby…

Summer of 1994 connections:

The famous floating feather at the beginning and end have some similarities to the scene in THE LION KING that follows some dust from Simba to Rafiki. The version of the scene in the remake is much closer to the FORREST GUMP version and a later evolution of it in Zemeckis’ THE POLAR EXPRESS.

Like BABY’S DAY OUT, FORREST GUMP has a Hindi language remake (LAAL SINGH CHADDHA [2022]).

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40 Responses to “Forrest Gump”

  1. There has always been a group of very bitter PULP FICTION and/or SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION fans who say that this movie didn’t deserve the Best Picture Oscar, but fuck that. You don’t have to like FORREST GUMP, but you have to acknowledge that it’s a film making miracle. It’s a huge special effect extravaganza that never looks or feels like it and was maybe even a bigger FX quantum leap than JURASSIC PARK, considering how they used computers for often completely invisible, not show-offy things! And even without that it is a goofy comedy and a tear jerking drama, but there isn’t one scene where the tones clash.

    And yes, I always took it as a satire. Forrest lives the american dream and becomes the most interesting man in the world, but he doesn’t even know what’s going on around him most of the time and doesn’t seem to appreciate it. Jenny on the other hand tries to pick her battles and change the world, but always gets the short end of the stick. The “good American” is basically born ignorant. (And also white and male.) I can see how this can be twisted into a “Shut up, put your head down, obey the rules and you will be rewarded” message, but if you do that, you really ignore Jenny’s side of the story. She isn’t the antagonist in Forrest’s life. She doesn’t get punished for being a selfish bitch. She tries to do the right thing and the movie agrees that everything that happens to her is absolutely unfair. But so is life.

    Also man, the bit about him waiting for the bus to reach a close destination hits way too hard. This happened at least thrice to me. That’s why I learned to check Google maps for the walking distance first if I have to go somewhere I’ve never been before.

  2. Great review Vern!

    Forrest’s conversation with Jenny at her grave is about impossible not to get emotional at.
    It may be the one scene in the movie that breaks our perception of his cognitive ability as Forest seems to possess an eloquence in that scene not seen before.

    I can’t remember for sure if it’s one of the few scenes of Forrest speaking completely alone with no one else to hear him.

    Is there another actor that would have been able to pull off the almost impossible feat of playing Forest Gump with such sincerity and pathos and not possibly turn into a complete disaster than Tom Hanks??

    I can’t think of anyone else.

  3. The important thing to me to remember is something you touched on, which that despite its financial and Oscar success, this movie is kind of bonkers and not safe at all. It’s wild. The politics are strange. It’s a movie at war with itself, half satire, half heart warming. I am so conflicted about it but it’s a fascinating cultural object. That said, I remain hopeful about HERE because I am now a married man and a sap, currently trying to buy a house for my own family and that one will probably make me cry even if it’s terrible. But I’ll be optimistic for now.

  4. A lot of great observations in here,especially the ones about how the film treats Jenny, and how we come to love her. The thing about Forrest is his immediacy and his relational nature. He is not strategizing, scheming, reflecing on his identity, sorting people into stereotypes, or generally holding grudges. He is experiencing life in a very embodied, open-handed, fundamentally loving and sacrificial way. He takes people and situations and circumstances as they come to him and in an organic way that stems from his default posture of good faith and gratitude, but which adjusts if he sees a clear peril or injustice where he has the power to intervene.

    We were talking about judging people in the MAXXXINE thread, and the thing is that we all judge people to a certain degree and to a very large and even constant degree if we are online commenting about people and their choices — filmmaking choices, character choices, other commenters’ choices and opinions, celebrity and politician choices, etc. This soup of online discourse is like 90% judging: this is good, bad, right, wrong, worth my time, a waste of my time, affirms my politics, is “problematic,” etc. What is compelling about Forrest is that he is the most very-not-online personality possible. He may fail to make informed judgments or have good takes (or any takes) about the abstract trending issues of the day, but he is earnestly kind, compassionate, brave, sacrificial, and unprejudiced, but this seems to be natural and authentic. There’s no catch or gimmick, and he’s not selling anybody a worldview or lifestyle hack (as Vern mentions with the running). He follows his heart and not his head, and while this definitely can have its downsides, so does becoming trapped in thoughts and opinions about distant or abstract things. Forrest is very much living a fully embodied life vs. living life like a brain in a mech suit. Like Rocky, he has a moral clarity that is fundamentally relational and attuned to the specifics of the situation and that is rooted in a sense of loyalty and the golden rule. His earnestness and the fruits of his kindness resonate with us and challenge us to be more like him in a way that is not judgey but inspiring.

    It is certainly a 30-year-old film of and by white boomers, and it’s plenty corny, but there’s also real heart and pain and love that connects to us in a way that seems authentic and earned vs. merely manipulative. Or at least that’s how I experience him and the film.

  5. No thoughts on Gump, just wanted to point out that HERE is based on an experimental graphic novel by Richard McGuire which is beautiful and well worth reading in itself. I’m pretty damn curious to see how Zemeckis adapts it.

  6. If you think about it, this and THE MASK were the two movies that really showed people what you can do with computers. T2 and JURASSIC PARK blew our minds, but they were still mostly creating fantasy creatures. Stuff that doesn’t exist. Liquid robots and dinosaurs. That’s awesome! But I feel like we don’t appreciate (anymore?) how the people behind these two movies said: “Hey, what if we use CGI to turn our protagonist into the world greatest ping pong player? Or what if we turn a human into a Tex Avery cartoon?” They were more into manipulating reality, once subtle, once over the top and in your face, than adding things to it.

  7. Great review Vern, as always.
    I really like this movie – also taking it as a satire and a sort of cynical way to look at some of US history of the 20th century. Tom Hanks is indeed fantastic and deserves all the praise he got at that time.
    I understand some of the backlash – it is always easy when you have a movie offering a different view (or perspective) on history to over-analyze it and turn it into something negative, or worst, into a propaganda that is not meant to me (at least in my opinion).
    For me personally, Forrest Gump is another example where people like to trash something that becomes popular… at first everyone loves it, then once it is understood that literally everyone loves it, you always have a group of people turning their opinion around, because God forbid, you don’t want to praise something so mainstream and universally popular…
    It happened also with Titanic a few years later when the negative critics came out once it was clear the movie was a huge success. It is part of human nature i guess… but it is something that often keeps me away from discussing movies with people around me.

  8. I too went through a phase of hating Forrest Gump and agreeing with the conservative interpretation but I’ve come back around. It’s mainly that Forrest’s kindness carries through all the plot. But as far as Jenny’s fate, someone astutely pointed out that that’s how life really does treat women. Privileged white dudes do get ahead (usually more nefarious than Forrest too) and women get shit on no matter what they do. So yeah that’s pretty relevant.

    I also have fond memories of the Gump phenomenon. Working at a movie theater that summer, this was on half the screens and always sold out.

    I saw Laal Singh Chaddha. It’s a pretty interesting remake updated for Indian history and more recent decades.

  9. I like FORREST GUMP and always thought it was a satire, even if good hearted and not mean spirited. Kind of like BABY’S DAY OUT but with a mentally disabled adult.

  10. I can identify with this review; while I am not sure I like FORREST GUMP as much as Vern does, I think it might be a masterpiece. Then again, maybe not; its machine-tooled ambiguities, like Forrest himself, hold up a dumb mirror that reflects back what we want to see in it.

    Zemeckis’s position as a master of camp is most obvious in something like DEATH BECOMES HER, or, more recently, WELCOME TO MARWEN, but all his films are tinged with the subversive extravagance of camp that allow him to sidle up on huge issues and events: BACK TO THE FUTURE as a Reaganomics wish-fulfillment fantasy that takes in incestuous desire, date rape and terrorism, WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT as an examination of racism, segregation and the destruction of public transport in America, or his post-9/11 movie THE WALK, a glorious caper so at odds with what we think of when we think of those twin towers today. In GUMP we get the Vietnam war and its contexts all the way through to the AIDS epidemic. Technically it is brilliant and the acting likewise, but where does the movie stand? Forrest’s narration is dripping with irony, but how ironic is it really that the dumb white man and the rebellious young woman experience the world so differently? Sinise has clearly taken Lieutenant Dan’s story arc as showing that veterans can survive their wounds and their trauma and go on to achieve wealth and happiness on their new magic legs, but it’s Bubba who dreamt of captaining his own shrimp boat, not death-obsessed Lieutenant Dan, and it’s Bubba, the innocent black man, who ends up dead on the side of a river far from home. That doesn’t feel terribly satirical to me, even while it does seem true.

    This film really is wild and strange and, as Chuck says, kind of bonkers, and there really aren’t many filmmakers who could’ve pulled it off, even fewer who would’ve tried. What is it? It continues to puzzle me.

  11. Very well-written and thoughtful take, Vern. And also some good points from my fellow commenters. Y’all are making me want to watch this for the first time since VHS.

  12. Random fun fact: According to the Wikipedia summary of the book, the original Forrest Gump didn’t look like Tom Hanks at all. If they ever remake it and wanna do the book justice, they should hire Alan Ritchson or John Cena.

  13. As I recall, Book Forest was kind of a prick. He was much more openly greedy and selfish than the veritable saint Hanks played him as. That’s why the author played up his dickishness in the book’s sequel, which went out of its way to tell you that the movie was full of shit.

    A mean-spirited Gump is a not a Gump anybody needs. I’ve been through a journey with this film, from liking it as an enjoyably corny comedy with a ton of great lines and a side order of technical innovation, to seeing it as the representative The Establishment patting itself on the back over more challenging and interesting movies, to indulging in the kind of clickbait hot takes about its alleged politics, to just kind of seeing it as an enjoyably corny comedy with a ton of great lines and some, in retrospect, absolutely trailblazing technical innovation. It’ll never be a favorite but I’m cool with it. I’d kill for Gen X to have an elegy half as successful as this one for the Boomers.

  14. One of the most distressing things about the movie (to me at least) was learning after watching it that both Forrest and Bubba were no doubt accepted into the military to serve in Vietnam as part of Defence Secretary Robert Mcnamara’s ‘Project 100,000,’ basically a deliberate lowering of enlistment standards (specifically IQ standards) by the US military to increase the number of combat troops in Vietnam.

    Perhaps the least offensive name the program became known as was McNamara’s Misfits. Not surprisingly, platoon commanders recognized these men’s lack of ability as soldiers, and concerned about other, more ‘capable’ soldiers being killed because of the ‘misfit’s lack of skills, they frequently immediately sent them men on the most dangerous job’s, sacrificing them in the hope that it would save other lives. The ‘misfit’s’ died at 3 times higher rates in combat.

    McNamara and Johnson talked up (provided cover) the program as part of LBJ’s war on poverty – it was a way to provide skills and education to low IQ men who would normally not get suck ‘skills’ and practical training, thus setting the recruits up for better jobs after military service. It failed on all accounts – more died and a study by the Dept. of Defence found that comparing the recruits against non – veterans: Comparisons between Project 100,000 participants and their non-veteran peers showed that, in terms of employment status, educational achievement, and income, non-veterans appeared better off. Veterans were more likely to be unemployed and to have a significantly lower level of education. Income differences ranged from $5,000 [to] $7,000 in favor of non-veterans. Veterans were more likely to have been divorced.

    I will also second’ the remarks of many in this feed – this was another great review Vern – especially given how well known and commented upon this film is – and the surprising number of well reasoned opinions from commenters.

  15. I… can’t with this movie. I understand all the readings, but it’s thirty years later, and they run contrary to the takeaways of the general public. People indeed do see Forrest as a hero and this movie as a fable, no matter how acidic his journey is and how oblivious he actually may be as an avatar of white privilege. The argument that women were treated the way Jenny was in the movie doesn’t really excuse the fact that even still, the movie is relentlessly, cartoonishly cruel to Jenny despite (because of?) her altruism being somewhat more focused than Forrest’s. In the face of the movie’s worship of Gump, Jenny comes across even worse. This movie tortures Jenny so Forrest can thrive. If it’s a joke, it ain’t that funny.

    Look, I don’t want to be a jerk about this (probably failing) but we all know most people don’t seriously think about movies. I’ve talked to a lot of regular people about this, about the cruelty towards Jenny, men and women. And it always disturbs me how so many people explain it away with, “Well, Jenny was a slut.” Sometimes in more words, and sometimes verbatim. I pretty much made myself a pariah at one party simply by going against this movie — I really do think that it’s not that I was very negative but that the reverence for the movie, and character, of Forrest (interchangeably to many) was sacrosanct.

    We can spin it in a lot of ways (I understand the idea of this being a satire, obviously), but it’s upsetting how this has been received by the general public, to the point where it’s a consensus for an entire generation, and we’re the exceptions for thinking critically about it.

  16. I don’t think this film is mean-spiritedly punishing Jenny in some misogynistic way. I think it’s portraying a spiral of trauma. Actually, Jenny is a lot like my mom, who definitely was a boomer, who had serious dad approval issues to begin with, got raped a couple of times, had to have an abortion (which was traumatic for her), dropped out of college, got involved with some bad guys and had some bad drug experiences, worked in retail and food service for probably 20 years, struggled with addiction and mental health issues, and then died too young in a pretty bad way. I don’t think the filmmakers of my life have portrayed her as some slut or punching bag, I think she just spiralled out due to a constellation of trauma, personality, unique life circumstances and choices. In any case, I just don’t see the film as adopting a uniquely mean-spirited attitude toward her. I doubt Robing Wright feels that way either, and it’s not as though Lt. Dan or Bubba has a super easy go of it either.

    As for other people having the reaction that Jenny is just an awful slut who deserves her fate, I know you can find people expressing that sort of viewpoint, but I think you have to do more to convincingly demonstrate that this is “the consensus of an entire generation” or that the film is to blame for other people’s cruel views.

    I’m not claiming that this representative, but here you’ll find people expressing a variety of views, including but certainly not limited to the one you’re citing as a consensus.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/6ysb16/was_jenny_curran_a_bad_person_forest_gump/

  17. I’ll never figure out how to do links here. The thing I was trying to link to was a Reddit thread called “Was Jenny Curran a bad person? [Forest Gump]”

  18. @Skani, I appreciate what you’re trying to say. I just feel like Jenny’s experiences are just stacking awful event after awful event onto her, and I don’t think a lot of it increases your understanding of this saintly martyr that, in her struggles, fuels Forrest’s journey. Imagine if they gave that character ONE win — instead, it’s as if she accepts Forrest at the end like she’s doing him a favor. It feels like an indignity to both characters at that point.

    I’m glad you’re providing alternate viewpoints, but, no offense to Reddit, the average movie watcher is not someone who comments on Reddit, or anywhere. Most people don’t comment anywhere except on the most basic of social media. Reddit posters, maybe more than anything else online, overthink things. That’s the whole point of Reddit!

    I took a weird journey, by the way, never reading the first book, but reading the “Gump And Co.” book sequel, and it is INSANE. It is written with COMPLETE CONTEMPT of people who worship the movie Gump, and has the character improbably hopscotching towards the rest of America’s 20th century. At one point, he goes into space, and I don’t think it was the craziest plot development. At the time, I remember thinking it was just absurdist garbage, but maybe I’d appreciate it today with a little irony. But aside from its ridiculousness, it really reads like it’s written by someone who doesn’t want to write it.

  19. It’s kind of weird to hear people think of Forrest as privileged. The man’s born physically and mentally disabled. Doesn’t that alone disqualify him from a glib “this is how easy white men have it!” take?

  20. There’s exactly one deep cut on the GUMP soundtrack, and it’s a good one: Randy Newman’s “Mr. President (Have Pity on the Working Man),” a fairly obscure non-single from GOOD OLD BOYS.

    That’s the one charitable thing I’ll say about GUMP. The attitude that left-wing activist leaders are universally self-aggrandising assholes kind of pissed me off.

  21. Kaplan – I don’t think people do think of Forrest as privileged. I was the one who used that word, followed by several paragraphs explaining in detail what specific sense I meant it in. I worked very hard to try to illustrate this concept of how generational wealth from the slave trade gives him a leg up over the other characters (which I do think is intentionally cooked into the movie) but I guess it doesn’t come across.

  22. And yet, despite his disabilities, Forrest got into a good school, because his mother slept with the principal. We don’t know much about Bubba, but something tells me that even if his mother would’ve done the same, he still would’ve never gotten in there, simply because the laws at that time prevented him from entering certain buildings. (And Forrest’s dad most likely would’ve secured his son a place in that school, without prostituting himself. Probably inviting the principal to a poker game or donating some money to the school, would have been enough.) Then later Forrest actually went into college, just because he runs fast.

    You can’t deny that he was privileged enough by default to sidestep certain hurdles in his life.

  23. I think his mother needing to prostitute herself to get him into a decent school is, again, pretty far from privileged. I mean, did any of you watch the movie and think “man, I wish MY MOM would’ve slept with someone so I could go to a better school”?

  24. I’m not really a fan of this one these days (I liked it as a kid, but probably mostly because I was getting to see it), but I do have a hot take that I guess kind of doubles as a sort of defence. I get resenting GUMP for beating PULP FICTION; the triumph of old, safe traditional small c conservative Hollywood over New Hollywood, the path not travelled and all that. I’m not saying I care that much personally, I don’t, but I get it. But to resent it for losing to SHAWSHANK REDEMPTION? Fuck that noise, that’s just another side of the same coin, the gritty R-Rated flipside to GUMP’s PG-13 fluffines (and yes, I would say its ultimately pretty fluffy whatever it explores or features). SHAWSHANK is just as sentimental, just as simplistic and, if we really want to go there, probably about as “problematic” if you think about Morgan Freeman’s character (in a film set in 1947) for 5 minutes, not dissimilar to the more infamous Michael Clarke Duncan character in the next King/Darabont joint THE GREEN MILE (a completely ridiculous movie, which is not to say it doesn’t have some entertainment value). The average person who thinks SHAWSHANK is the greatest movie of all time probably thinks GUMP is pretty good too.

    And while I hope it’s clear that I’m not saying this stuff isn’t worth discussing, I do think it’s easy to overestimate how much “backlash” the film has received over the years, or at least how much effect its had; this was an extremely popular movie in the 90s, and in 2024 I’d say it’s about as popular as an adult drama from the 90s that had no sequels, spin-offs or reboots can be. Even among the film buff demographic, it’s still pretty popular; #11 on IMDB’s Top 250., and on Letterbox’d, which I would consider to be the nexus of the more “fashion conscious” wing of online film fandom, it falls just outside their Top 250 with a 4.1/5 average.

  25. Glaive Robber – I agree about Reddit, that’s why I said it’s not representative. At the same time, I don’t think you’ve established your point about a generational consensus in virtue of the self-selected group of people with whom you’ve discussed the film.

    I don’t have any particular beef with someone not liking the film or even finding it personally offensive or whatever. This should be a safe space to have very different reactions to films. However, it seems to me that you are making some fairly damning statements about the film’s intent and mass cultural reception that I see you backing up in terms of your personal experiences and perceptions.

  26. Great review of a movie I find very confounding. Sometimes I view FORREST GUMP as anti-intellectual, where lines can be drawn from the simplistic viewpoint of Forrest to the acceptance of real-life nonsense like Joe the Plumber. Other times I’m overwhelmed by how much of 20th century culture the movie presents without comment. In that viewpoint I feel like I’m watching Forrest collect pie pieces in a cinematic version of Trivial Pursuit. FORREST GUMP is a marvel and an important movie but, as Chuck noted, it is at war with itself.

  27. I dunno, Skani, what else can I provide other than anecdotal evidence?
    I’m not entirely sure I can point the finger at the film’s intentions. But there’s a lot of troubling stuff in Zemeckis’ filmography that, I dunno, makes me squint? How Hill Valley has that Black custodian who everyone laughs at when he says he’s going to be mayor, and then when he DOES become Mayor in the future the city has gone to shit? How Michael J. Fox invents Chuck Berry? The “Beowulf” adaptation that actually enhances the misogyny of the source material? The sanctimony of the last ten minutes of “Flight” that morally compromises the rest of the movie? The frankly fucked-up gender roles of “Welcome To Marwen”?

    I ALWAYS find stuff to like, and sometimes love, in Zemeckis’ films. But I don’t know. If “Forrest Gump” is some form of satire, then it’s mean-as-fuck. And when satire is that mean, do people like it because it’s funny, or because it’s mean? I’ll put it this way — “South Park” is one of the funniest shows of all time, but has it’s fanbase over the last fifteen years or so enjoyed the show because of its wit, or because of its acidity? Because I’ll gladly watch the show every, I dunno, year or so, but whenever I meet someone watching the newer episodes, it’s depressing to know what kind of person they are.

    I mean, did we not just see a bunch of MAGA people freak out because it took them four seasons to realize “The Boys” was making fun of them? Honest question — what are WE supposed to take from THAT?

    Yes, this is all anecdotes, framed as questions. I never pretended to be connected to the zeitgeist, I just wanna know how far away I am.

  28. Glaive Robber – Just to keep the threads straight. My point was that you were make broad statements about the consensus of an entire generation based on what seemed like personal anecdotes, which I think is specious. I offered some alternative ancedotal information (that is at least publicly verifiable) in the form of the Reddit thread, which I acknowledged as being non-representative. Where this leaves me is unconvinced that an entire generation perceived Jenny as an awful human being. As for the satire piece, I was not among those claiming that this film is “satire.” I don’t really understand that angle or what it would be satirizing. I see it as a kind of magical-realism-lite dramedy that uses Forrest to guide you through turbulent times of social upheaval, exposing you to stylized versions of some of the highs and lows of baby boomer’s coming of age period, as presented through the eyes of a particular person. There are elements of comedy and drama and the whole suite of emotions, and the narrative device of having a person like Forrest (as I described him in my first post) be your tour guide and protagonist through that journey, exposing you to some things that happened on the national and world stage, as well as exposing you by way of the supporting cast to how some of the realities of this period might have impacted individual human lives in complex, personal, and intimate ways.

    Whether it balanced those various elements deftly or cringe-ily or patronizingly or not at all or whatever is a matter of judgment. I don’t really see the satire in it per se. This isn’t like WAG THE DOG or some shit.

  29. My wife loves this movie, so much so that we played the theme at our wedding. I just asked her about it and while she agrees the politics are confusing, “ultimately it’s a love story.”

    I don’t get it myself, but I don’t need to. I’ll probably send her a link to this review.

  30. I did not really finish the thought in my first paragraph. What I want to add is that the film is doing all of those things I mention in the first paragraph, but above all it is about what it looks like to maintain loving, self-sacrificial open-handedness and open-mindedness in an era full of pain and upheaval that could’ve understandably driven main people to cynicism and despair. And certainly, Forrest is both privileged and just circumstantially an extremely lucky bastard, which I think the film understands. However, I think this is nuanced, because Forrest’s simplicity of outlook is in some ways both a gift and a curse, since in a lot of ways he is unable to fully experience typical adult intellectual consciusness (like Jenny and Dan can), which deprives him of certain experiences and perspectives but also gives him a unique perspective. Forrest, Jenny, and Dan all deal with various forms of tragedy and trauma, and the film is about the different and ultimately inspiring or life-affirming ways that they respond to it.

  31. I haven’t seen this since it was first released and always had it pegged as straight-up conservative establishment propaganda. The only way to get through life is by listening obediently to whatever your superiors tell you: eat shit and ask for seconds.

    Never even occurred to me that it was meant as satire. Which probably says more about my students intellectual snobbery than the film itself.

    The review and the chat here has actually made me want to rewatch it to see where it stands now.

  32. The Cosh, I think the movie is definitely more satirical in many places. Just look at the way the drill sergeant reacts to his blind obedience in the army, declaring him a genius for doing whatever he’s told and being able to assemble a rifle quickly. That’s not pro-conservative. But then the movie also has an incredibly negative view of the protest movement, Black Panthers and SDS that it’s impossible to ascribe a point-of-view to the movie. Sometimes the satire is effective, sometimes wildly misplaced. The same is true for the more dramatic moments. I still feel like the movie’s treatment of Jenny is ugly and punishing and her trauma exists mostly exists just to service Forrest’s journey. Just a messy, messy film that somehow captured the public imagination—probably largely on the back of boomer nostalgia, which is what I also thinks turns so many younger viewers off.

  33. If the film were nothing but conservative propaganda, why would it portray what happens to Bubba as so heartbreaking and pointless, and why would it take you on this journey of how Lt. Dan gets completely disillusioned and chewed up by his experience in Vietnam? The film does not portray Vietnam as awesome and justified. It does not portray capitalism and climbing the ladder or being a successful professional in aspirational and affirming terms. It does not portray politicians or the military-industrial complex as being highly trustworthy or competent. It does not portray violence as the answer to problems. It celebrates Forrest just randomly dropping out of society to go on a personal running vision quest for a year or however long that is. It does not extol the virtues of conservative Christianity. It does not slut shame Forrest’s mother. It does not present Jenny as hopelessly tainted or sexually untouchable despite the obvious subtext that she has a terminal STD of some sort in the 1980s. It does not compel her to go through some kind of religious conversion or shaming/”repentance”/cleansing rehabilitation narrative in order to be with Forrest and then end her life with dignity and compassion. If this is any sort of conservative propaganda (c. 1994), it certainly neglects many pervasive and non-incidental/thematic opportunities to follow through on this.

  34. grimgrinningchris

    July 14th, 2024 at 8:50 am

    To CJ and Majestyk and anyone else that mentioned the book.
    Yeah, where the movie is something of a satire, the novel is a straight up farce. I’ve read it several times, but it’s been years now but I’ll try to remember a few choice differences.

    As mentioned Forrest is a massive man.
    He becomes a major pothead while playing harmonica in Jenny’s college band.
    He becomes a professional wrestler who wears a diaper and a dunce cap and his main rival is a wrestler called The Turd.
    He gets naked with Raquel Welch on a jungle movie set.
    He goes to spa

  35. grimgrinningchris

    July 14th, 2024 at 8:55 am

    Damn. My own thumbs cut me off.

    He goes to space.
    He lives with a cannibal tribe in the Congo, playing chess with the tribe leader every day to keep from getting eaten.

    Yeah. The book is wild.

    Oh and in the book what he says at the rally is “I think the war in Vietnam is a bunch of shit”

    Because in it, he had a mobile latrine get blown up near him and literally got covered in shit.

  36. My estimation of this movie has risen over the years. Back in 1994 I was exactly what CJ Holden referenced in his comment above: one of those guys who was mad at Forrest Gump for robbing Pulp Fiction and Shawshank for the top accolades. I thought Forrest was okay but mediocre, whereas Shawshank was the best of Old Hollywood that year, and Pulp Fiction was the best of New Hollywood. That was the bracket, Pulp Fiction versus Shawshank, so get the fuck out of here Tom Hanks.

    However, when Forrest hit cable and home video it turned out to be surprisingly rewatchable and I paid a lot more attention to it for its own merits. It’s a really well put-together film and it does get to me in the third act. I don’t feel like it comes down on a conservative or liberal “verdict,” ultimately. It’s more of an agnostic what-a-fucking-roller-coaster-ride-the-last-three-decades-have-been kind of sentiment. I definitely don’t see a message that things were “better” in the old days or that the “world has gone to hell.”

    Full circle, I would now rate this definitively above Pulp Fiction as an achievement. (It’s a closer call with Shawshank). I say that partly because Tarantino has gone on to make masterpieces that are so far beyond that, that in retrospect Pulp Fiction feels like a much lighter submission to me now than it did back then. I definitely no longer see it as the avatar of New Cinema, and so now just looking at Forrest and Pulp as movies that happened to come out the same year instead of representatives of competing “traditions,” I pretty easily see Forrest as a deeper, more carefully thought about piece of work than Pulp Fiction, and definitely more re-watchable to me.*

    *However, Django Unchained, Hateful Eight and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood can go toe to toe with anything in the last 30 years.

  37. For me, the film’s legacy will always be how Forrest Gump permeated the collective consciousness of America, paving the way for the Presidency of George W. Bush.

  38. Gepard, I think your wife is right. The love story is what it ends on, what it seems most sincere about, and what you leave being weepy over.

  39. Watching this on the big screen at 10 years old was a formative, emotional experience where the love of movies began to be a bit more self-aware. I didn’t as easily recognize the problems people had with it, or the problematic praise from others. I really didn’t care much about other movies for a little bit because the experience bleeding off the screen sept into my consciousness, which for a kid that age is pretty heavy but I think whenever a decade of life passes it becomes recognized in ways that take you by complete surprise.

    Tom Hanks is the only person who could have played this character. The immediacy to which I say this cannot be emphasized enough. Other actors would mangle the nuance and warmth he brings to even the film’s more serious moments. It’s befitting of a period which saw him go from reliable movie funnyman to who Spielberg called the modern day Jimmy Stewart. Through the work he did in the ten years between A LEAGUE OF THEIR OWN and CATCH ME IF YOU CAN, he gave much light and shade to the American character few else has ever done.

    The moment of realization that the child in the next room is his, made me realize the true gift of a man’s kindness. The identification of his own setbacks in the questions he asks Jenny ring out clear in this regard, and the signs of a man who is far wiser about his own life than anybody else in the movie gives him but his mother and his dying wife. Sitting down watching SESAME STREET together with his son is maybe my single favorite moment in the whole movie.

  40. Forrest Gump just came up randomly with a customer at my job, guy said he loved the movie. Then he threw in at the end that it was all Jenny’s fault and she gave Forrest AIDS. Their wife or girlfriend did not seem happy about this. Since I am at work, I am not going to go off on someone for being a misogynist and lacking media literacy. I left it at “I feel that’s a willful misinterpretation.” I haven’t watched the movie in 25 years and would probably find a lot of it questionable, but I don’t think it was that nasty (and is there any indication in the film that Forrest contracts AIDS? We confirmed his kid has it in the wild sequel book, but I think dude is misremembering AND misinterpreting the movie).

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