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SIFF: Vern goes down on THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED!

Hey folks, Harry here… Vern here caught THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED up at the Seattle International Film Festival and… well it’s turned him into an obvious Commie Pinko Anti-American Burn-In-Hell Lily-livered Cock-Sucker, like it did me back when I saw it. So those of you that like to belittle someone with information that you haven’t seen, go right ahead. The problem is this, after you see this documentary, it’s really hard to trust anything any media tells you… Including this site. More than anything, political parties and affiliations aside… This is all about questioning authority and looking for more information, even from this documentary. Stories are never as cut and dried as a 2 hour Documentary, but at the same time… the complications of what happened after the events in this film aside, what DID HAPPEN and WAS CAPTURED here is an astonishing and powerful work that all should see.

Dear Harry,

It’s your personal buddy Vern here reporting from lovely Seattle where I plan to actually get off my ass and see some movies at the film festival this year. I’m gonna have to miss the cartoon one where it’s the matrix but I did get a ticket for the mummy one where Bruce Campbell is Elvis. Also I was wondering man were you serious about wanting to see werewolves in the Matrix? That one threw me off there bud but there’s another movie that me and you see more like eye-to-eye on and that’s THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED.

That’s the real reason I’m Writing Harry because I want to thank you for your review of this movie. I never would’ve heard of it but you made it sound good so I made sure to see it at SIFF here. And MAN you were not exaggerating. This is the best movie I’ve seen in a real long time and with the audience cheering and hissing and gasping like a bunch of star wars nerds at a midnight show I think it has a good chance at the best documentary award. When it was over I looked back at the crowd and people looked absolutely elated like they couldn’t even believe they really just saw that. One woman loudly declared “That was in-credible!” and it was kind of like she was an official spokesperson speaking fon behalf of everybody there.

The Revolution Will Not Be TelevisedIf you missed Harry’s review or you forgot about it, this is the incredible Irish-made documentary about the failed coup in Venezuala last year. Maybe that doesn’t sound that interesting to you because you’re picturing a typical historical documentary pieced together from file footage and talking head interviews. Not like the band talking heads. Well, you know what I mean. What makes this picture amazing is that there’s hardly any of that – most of the footage comes from dumb luck, a film crew that just happened to be standing right over the X on the map of Venezuelan history. It’s like when the Maysles brothers were doing a documentary about the Rolling Stones and it just happened that they were filming at Altamont, only this is on a grander scale. Here’s a film crew doing a documentary about this fascinating, controversial figure, the democratically elected but controversial Hugo Chavez, and then they’re RIGHT THERE when some rogue generals come into the palace, demand his resignation, then abduct him when he refuses. (Actually they’re right outside of the doors where this confrontation happens, so you get to watch the terrified faces of everybody else in the palace, and then you see Chavez paraded away shouting “Never give up!” to his faithful cabinet ministers.)

No matter what you take out of this movie, I can’t imagine anybody not being captivated by it. Even if you think what I’m about to say is a load of hogwash I still think you should see this movie because such an inside view of an administration and a people peacefully suppressing a military coup sure is great drama. But it’s made even more powerful by what it tells you about the dangers of a corrupt media and the importance of democracies adhering to their Constitutions. I can’t imagine a more appropriate movie for us Americans to watch right now when on June 2nd the FCC is planning to throw out what measly regulations we still have to protect the media from being owned by a handful of corporations. It’s hard to imagine what pipe FCC head honcho Michael Powell is smoking when he tells us with a straight face that the media would be improved if it was owned by EVEN FEWER companies. Yeah, that’s the whole problem with Clear Channel is that they don’t own *enough* radio stations. Since Michael’s dad Colin has a cameo in THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED, maybe we could get Michael to attend a screening and then tell us what a good idea it is to let a few corporations control the news. No, seriously, it’ll work better for us.

If the coup hadn’t happened, I bet it still would’ve been an interesting documentary. We are told that Chavez won his election by a landslide, but we are also told that when he was younger he went to jail for leading a coup of his own. I doubt he’s a saint, despite his great speech against the bombing of Afghanistan, and I don’t trust anybody that has their own state run tv channel. I’m even suspicious of the Disney Channel when I’m in Disneyland. On the other hand the movie makes you wish we had a leader with some of Chavez’s qualities. We have a president who very rarely answers questions from the press, and when he does he usually just blows unrelated cliches about freedom up their asses (or worse, remember that scripted press conference? What the hell was that?) Chavez took the exact opposite route of every week going into a little public access style room and going on TV and radio to take phone calls from the public like a talk radio host. The movie doesn’t show enough of this to know if he bullshits them or not but it sure is an interesting approach and explains why, if the depiction in the movie is accurate, he seems to divide the country along class lines. I’m sure the real story is less cut and dry but from what you see in the movie his supporters are the poor who feel they are finally getting a piece of democracy and his opposition are the rich who are angry that their oil money has to be shared with the rest of the country now.

Because of the coup, though, they sort of leave the details of Chavez’s politics out and focus on the events at hand. This is a stroke of genius because then you aren’t able to spend your time debating about who is right about oil or this or that and instead look at the obviously wrong way the opposition chose to deal with these disagreements. At the end Chavez tells his opposition fine, oppose me, I wish I could change your mind but the important thing is you have to follow the Constitution. This is a powerful warning for our country because even if there is someone so naive as to believe that Ashcroft, Poindexter and friends really do have good intentions for our country, it would still be a mistake for them to chew up the constitution, spit it out, ram it up their ass, shit it out, mix it with drano and force america to eat it. (a little out of control with the ass metaphor there Harry, sorry.)

And to anyone else worried about the direction american TV news is going (I call it postjournalism), this is extra horrifying. The clips they show of the private news channels make Fox, MSNBC and CNN look almost like real news. They have anchors calling Chavez insane, saying that he has a sexual fixation on Fidel Castro and even telling their viewers to get to the streets and protest. It’s hard to imagine the media having it in for a president like that here. I know alot of people were out to smear Clinton and other presidents but they didn’t take it that far because for the most part the media bias here is for the status quo and isn’t going to ask for a revolution. (I guess maybe they would if we really had the liberal media that we always hear about from the very much nonñliberal people in the media.) But you watch them lie and distort what’s going on (claiming that Chavez resigned, for example, or not reporting it at all when the administration takes back control of the palace and the vice president is sworn in as temporary president). It’s so frustrating but it’s a familiar feeling. I don’t know if you’ve ever been right there where something was going down and then went home and saw it portrayed completely different on the news. Last time I saw that was when riot police closed off a street, trapped anti-war protesters onto it, told them to stay on the sidewalk then beat and arrested them for blocking pedestrian traffic. That’s what happened when I watched it in person, but when I watched it on tv what happened was protesters blocked traffic and got unruly so the police were forced to arrest them. (it’s the matrix vs. being unplugged to put it in the ain’t it cool news type language). Watching this gives you that kind of helpless, outraged feeling.

And you can’t help but wonder what would happen if they tried to do this here. Some things might go down the same. It’s scary to see that there can be a military coup and the next day the police are beating and killing people to support the new government. Sadly I have no doubt that would happen here too and our cops wear armor and have military style weapons and training. It would be ugly.

But hey ultimately the people learn the truth and they gather in the streets and they shut this shit down like the ewoks did the space guys with the giant robotic chickens. So it’s very empowering and it reminds you of the power of real democracy. Like I said the audience was REALLY into the movie and there were many points where it broke into a deafening roar of applause, especially when a member of the palace guard, right before executing a plan to get the palace back, held his fist up for the crowd of Chavez supporters surrounding the palace. Just like our soldiers these are real young guys caught in the middle, but they’re staring in the faces of a crowd of people supporting democracy and they realize what they have to do.

That was incredible but for me the best scene was when the leaders of the would-be coup were captured and confronted by the attorney general. We’d just seen them in the palace cheering wildly at their own decision to dissolve the congress and supreme court and fire the attorney general and even the ombudsman, all in the name of democracy. Now the tables have turned and they’re sitting on mattresses on the floor in a plain white detention room looking absolutely horrified. The SIFF audience cheered as the attorney general walked in, anticipating some badass declaration of how much trouble these fucks are in. But there was stunned silence when instead he said, “As the attorney general, and in the presence of the ombudsman… I am here to inform you that you will retain your rights as citizens.”

And the looks on their faces. I mean how can you get better than that?

Screening with THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED was a short called SCENES FROM THE ENDLESS WAR. This was sort of an experimental piece divided into about 20 “scenes” all relating to post September 11th war fever in the US. Most of the scenes are silly commentaries made by manipulating cable news footage, adding weird slow motion effects and fake news scrolls (which were mostly too obvious to be funny). A couple of these type of scenes were very effective though, like the one with the continuous loop of a militaristic animated Fox logo and especially the one where Bush’s state of the union address is accompanied by a terror alert chart activated by the sound of his voice.

If you dumped out all this stuff though you’d get to the real meat of the short which is the handful of scenes that were actual documentary footage. The filmatists talked to september 11th family members about the idea of retribution, watched tourists get their pictures taken at Ground Zero and soldiers holding open houses where they let little kids hold rifles and pretend to shoot them. Maybe the best scene was the old ladies talking to a slow-talking navyman who seems like he could just as easily be selling them hamburgers at McDonalds. He points out a sharpshooter he says will shoot dead any terrorist that tries to do something and the ladies are shocked to realize that “he looks like a little kid.”

This short definitely has some great moments and could be molded into something really powerful, but it is completely overshadowed by THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED which I think is destined to be a classic.

If you are in Seattle, don’t miss the second screening which is Tuesday the 27th at 4:45 at the Broadway Performance Hall. For more information there is a web sight at ChavezTheFilm.Com

–Vern

p.s. speaking of the revolution not being televised, where is Gil Scott Heron when we need him? Buddy you gotta make a new album. Do it for america. thanks gil.

p.p.s. Michael Moore had nothing to do with this one so there is no need for the right wing newsies to go apeshit in the talkbacks. let’s keep it cool fellas

Originally posted at Aint-It-Cool-News: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/15299

View the archived Ain’t-It-Cool-News Talkback

  • May 24, 2003, 7:28 a.m. CST

    I think the sequel should be called What Really Goes On In Washi

    by Chaffro

    “Never give…never give…don’t give it away, brothers.”

  • May 24, 2003, 7:33 a.m. CST

    revolution

    by D.Figga

    I was at this screening and thought about writing a review and then came here and this was much better than I could have done. The movie was fuckin rad and made all our top politicians look like the true pieces of shit they are. We, the american public are being used and abused by many of the same practices we see going in the media during this movie, “scenes from an endless war” points this out extremely well. and if anybody says anything about a liberal media you’re a fuckin idiot.

  • May 24, 2003, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Let’s ring Oliver Stone so he’ll know what to do…

    by FD Resurrected

    …make another political movie reminiscent of JFK (even if that film is bullshit propaganda). I dunno where to see The Revolution Will Not Be Televised, but I’ll bet it will be more important and efficient film than Michael Moore’s propaganda. Check out The Cursor at http://www.cursor.org – it’s a reliable source for outrageous and corrupt U.S. politics that no radical-minded political junkie will go without.

  • May 24, 2003, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I have no problem with Harry’s anti-American anything. I could c

    by Kevin Bosch

    My beef is with his pro-Chavez stance, after mearly seeing a movie. Try living it, then come up with a real opinion. If the U.S. had some hand in the coup, then ok, I don’t know, I havn’t seen the documentry. But what I do know is that Chavez is not somebody you want to be rooting for. Chavez won the election by a landslide for a simple reason, the majority of the people in the country are in poverty, and Chavez has communist leanings. Many average people did think that maybe Chavez would get the country out of the currupt political state it was in previously, but after the insane actions he started taking after being elected, people realized he was just making matters worse. “At the end Chavez tells his opposition fine, oppose me, I wish I could change your mind but the important thing is you have to follow the Constitution.” When he got into power, Chavez REWROTE the constitution. This constitution that has to be upheld that he’s always trumpeting about is one written by his own hand with his own intentions in mind. “We’d just seen [the leaders of the would-be coup] in the palace cheering wildly at their own decision to dissolve the congress and supreme court and fire the attorney general and even the ombudsman…” When Chavez got into power HE dissolved the existing Congress. Sure, it was made up of currupt politians from administrations before, but only a dictator takes such drastic actions. After that, he APPOINTED his people to the Congress and other governemental positions. Currently, he creating insane election policies that will, in the end, make him President for life. He has started seizing private property in the name of the state. He exports oil to Cuba at an absurdly cheap rate. He has public schools teaching Marx and Stalin to children. He had ties to Saddam’s Iraq. He supports terrorists in Colombia. If the U.S. tried to over throw Venezuela’s government in an underhanded way, then, yes, shame on the U.S. and shame on the U.S. for many other things. But if your entire opinion of Chavez is based on this movie, then just remember that in 1934, Triumph of the Will made a lot of people think Hitler was not such a bad guy.

  • May 24, 2003, 9:54 a.m. CST

    D.Figga- you are a fucking idiot

    by Pageiv

    The scary big companies own the media, I’m so scared. Whoopie freakin do if Clear Channel owns one more radio station, how about you pinko commies go out and get your own radio station, or would that take too much work. The only justifaction you have that there is a “conservative media” is the companies that own them. How about reading and watching what they report (or dont report) on? Take the NAACP lawsuit against gun manufactors saying because gun crime causes criminals to be locked up NAACP membership is down. The media played this case up, but never mention that the basis of the NAACP argument was that they would have a higher membership if gun laws werent enforced. Well last week the jury threw the case our and where was the coverage of that? Just because all Democrats are spineless dont blame the media for “lack of debate” You Chavez lovers are just sad we dont have a Communist president here, so go smoke your weed, and go listen to NPR while cowering in fear of Ashcroft.

  • May 24, 2003, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Since when has questioning the government and current leadership

    by Smeg For Brains

    If that is the case, then all you unAmerican, unpatriotic republican assholes who railed on and on about Clinton for EIGHT YEARS should have been put against the wall and shot for treason. Oh, but we are supposed to live in a country where people can criticize the current administration without fear of being branded a traitor. I guess that only applies when a duly elected Democrat is in the white house. Then it is okay to criticize everything, and anything. It’s your freedom of speach to say that you didn’t like him getting a hummer in the oval office. Oh, but if there is a Republican illegaly installed by a conservative Supreme Court, then all you cowardly unpatriotic unAmerican bastards better shut up and not complain when he goes around the world destroying American credibility, and starting wars. You have no right to criticize a Republican! Fucking hypocrites. Oh, and I voted for neither Clinton nor Gore. On the topic of this film, it is sad that it will probably never make it out here. What is sadder is that so many idiots in America will be glad that it never does. Thankfully we have a sane person like Michael Moore who is not afraid of the ultra conservative assholes that have seized control of our country away from the people. I wonder how long it will be before he is found floating face down in a pool after “commiting suicide” by shooting himself in the back of the head, or overdosing on drugs that he had never taken before. I mean it’s not like that type of thing has ever happened before in America.

  • May 24, 2003, 11 a.m. CST

    Political affiliations completely aside – THIS “DOCUMENTARY HAS

    by Dagan

    It’s simply not a truthful portrayal of events. It does what Michael Moore does yet even worse – completely distorts the truth and outright makes up the “facts” and the “story” with not-so clever editing and rearranging everything to fit its own idealogy. Like the Charlton Heston speech in Bowling for Columbine, which was hashed together from different speeches, and edited so Moore could say that Heston said one thing when he was actually saying quite the opposite – this kind of hideous distortion is rampant in “The Revolution”. Even in the last talkback about this documentary there were dozens of talkbackers who quoted very specific evidence as to why this film is total bunk. Harry says “political parties aside”, but if that were true, he wouldn’t even be talking about this thing in anything other than an entertainment context because it’s all a simple fabrication. Harry says you can’t trust anyhing – ironic that he’s trusting this documentary with every fiber of his being even though it’s been proven to be fallacious.

  • May 24, 2003, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Falsumentory

    by St0n3y

    I think a new word needs to be coined for these “films” Michael Moore keeps producing. “Falsumentory” sums it up just about right.

  • May 24, 2003, 11:54 a.m. CST

    NEVER DID

    by frank cotton

    trust the media to begin with. futhermore, he has never been stupid enough to believe that simply because ‘his guy’, or ‘his party’ is in office, that the government is any more trustworthy than it was when they were not. GET THIS STRAIGHT PEOPLE: neither republicans, nor democrats (professional politicians) give a FUCK about you or me. we are no more than serfs in their eyes, and the only things they want from us are money and votes. your precious opinions and ideologies don’t mean jack shit to any of them, and they never will. to quote GRAND THEFT AUTO 3: “OPEN YOUR FRICKIN’ EYES!”

  • May 24, 2003, 1:04 p.m. CST

    It’s evident from this talkback just how screwed up you yanks ac

    by TheGinger Twit

    Some of you seem to be awake – clear to the facts that Dubya will be the end of civilization as we know it. But for what I’m sure is the minority with a larger voice, Some of you just keep rattling off the same old crap with comparisons to Clinton and if you’re not right then you must be left. If you’re not American then you must be a terrorist, or if you’re not a Dubya supporter, then you are a trecherous scoundrel who must be strung up by the short and curlies. Seriously, What’s up guys? But I guess I should fall sucker to this nonsence. I recall Clinton getting a lot of shit because he was getting his knob polished between international meetings. Whoopdy doo – what does it all mean? You don’t think Dubya gets a bit from the white house whores? Maybe not, I don’t think he has time, considering the man has a past history of coke abuse and even now he sniffs like a mother fucker – but Clinton couldn’t even smoke a joint when he was a kid without the media calling him unfit to lead a nation with an arsenal of Super Weapons of mass distruction. ‘Give that job to someone with the balls to use them’ they all scream. I think the debate is over. No one like Where things are headed. The ones that do are either on the same pay roll, or so fucking young and high to bother getting their news from anyone other than FOX, CNN or wait for word directly from the pentagon or Arie Fletcher (sp?). Truth is, the road Dubya is leading us down has a nasty clump of radiactive dust at the end of it. Did you hear that the US is now imposing sanctions of China. Excuse my blasphemy but JESUS FUCKING CHRIST! Somebody do something before it’s too late!

  • May 24, 2003, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Bay of Pigs

    by rutan07

    So the evil Bush saw a man who was a dictator and decided to take him out. Okay let’s believe this, let’s take a foreign countries documentary (and you know how foreign countries love America) and see it only as fact. Bush took a man the people wanted in power and tried to oust him. Where oh where could Bush and the Republican party learn such dastardly deeds. From the democrats of course. Unless I am mistaken the great and benevolent JFK tried to take out Castro many a year ago with American trained Cuban exiles. Sure we all know now how horrible Castro is but back when Kennedy tried his coup Castro was just a Communist dictator supported by his people. Gosh, could the sinister conservatives have only followed the lead of the wonderful liberals. Hell no! I must be lying, history must be lying, and this documentary has to be the only truth.

  • May 24, 2003, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Who cares who did what in the past. The issue is what’s happeni

    by TheGinger Twit

    And it’s evident that if all the countries were people in a room – America is that curly haired wingeing chick that just doesn’t shut up about how good she is and how she’s going to kick the shit out of anyone who doesn’t like her.

  • May 24, 2003, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Chavez

    by eateneye

    Despite your loud proclamations at the inaccuracy and ridiculousness of this documentary, you have not established clear misdeeds, but simply trumped up half-truths to make Chavez look bad. Dagan, I went back and read the first “Revolution” talkbalk. When did anyone conclusively prove that this documentary lied? I read a lot of accusations and a lot of “as any informed Argentinean knows,” but I didn’t see any solid evidence. DocBosch, it’s true Chavez had the constitution rewritten, but you make it sound like he sat down and typed it up one day. He had a country wide election where Argentineans voted local representatives into a special caucus, and then that caucus rewrote the constitution. Then, he let the people vote on whether to approve it. They passed it by a gigantic margin (70-30 or something). All that stuff about “appointing” people is just wrong. I don’t know if you got history lessons from Kissinger or something, but that’s not correct. Also, this constitution rewrite is not as drastic as it sounds. People tried to rewrite the constitution for years before Chavez ever became elected. Leaders on both the left and the right. Another very humorous accustation I read in the last reviews was something to the effect of “Well of course the people love Chavez, he’s a Communist/socialist!!!!” as if some bold historical truth could be supported by this assertion. Plenty of communists and socialists were disliked and distrusted by the people they ruled, and plenty more people loved rulers who had were on the opposite end of the political perspective. Also, people through around “socialist” like its a bad word. 40 members of the US house of representatives are publicly members of the Socialist Party. The Cold War wasn’t about socialism, it was about Stalinism. Of course, many foreign policy makers saw them as one and the same, but not always. After all Canada and many European countries have socialist systems, yet we’re not trying to overthrow the. I also find it funny that people loudly proclaim Chavez unpopularity by pointing to protests and the coup. Never mind the hundreds of protests in our country against the Iraqi war despite a majority of America’s support. And never mind the fact that the coup was overthrown by a counte- coup (for the first time in Latin American history I might add). This simply points to the fact that Chavez is widely dislike by one group, but wildly loved by another. In the end, this documentary is incredible not because it reveals “the truth” (most of the accusations at the US are tenuous), but because they had intimate access to the government in the middle of a coup. It’s amazing to actually see and hear what’s going on as Chavez supporters anxiously wait to hear their fate.

  • May 24, 2003, 3:58 p.m. CST

    by D.Figga

    I have yet to see anyone make a clear case in this talkback or any other as to how this documentary misrepresents anything in this talkback or any other. Are the people arguing against this movie even seeing it? Probably not. If they saw it would they see Ari Fleischer as the mouthpiece of Satan and Colin Powell as Bush’s wolf in sheeps clothing? Probably not. Did the people who never saw this documentary and are criticizing it get all giddy and “PATRIOTIC” when uber liberal news media mouthpieces CNN anf Fox news played they’re super cool intro graphic fol all their reports on the Iraq qar? Probably. Listen people, we’re being fucked, by a giant demon bull with a sheath over its cock. Its not a republican thing, its not a demcrat thing, The govt. as a whole is fucking us. Thank you Goodnight.

  • May 24, 2003, 4:05 p.m. CST

    by D.Figga

    wish these talkbacks had an edit button… The demonic bull is actually fucking us with a “spiked sheath” over its cock, not just some namby pamby sheath. I thought it was important you guys know that.

  • May 24, 2003, 4:15 p.m. CST

    by D.Figga

    Oh and Paige shut your fucking mouth, you point out one case and expect it to all of a sudden open my eyes and see the truth of our media situation… bullshit. Try watching the news reports from the WTC riots in Seattle after actually being there and see if they weren’t just a little biased. How about the media posting poll after poll asking americans in not supporting the war would be un-american? Why would we even need a poll? Oh right, to put the though into people’s heads. Did you read anything about the patriot act, patriot act 2? These are laws being put in place by republicans that are gonna destroy American society down the line unless they’re repealed. We don’t need to worry aboutt errorists ruining our way of life cuz our govt. is doing it for us. Its all you people that just fall in line supporting whatever bile spews from the govt. that are unamerican. The Iraq war… hmmm no WMD’s, THAST OK its no longer about WMD’s its about “liberation.” Jesus Christ it baffles me that people actually buy that. Oh and don’t even try to say I don’t support the troops, me and my friends here have more than a few friends out there in Iraq and when they come back I’ll be the first to buy them a smoke and a beer.

  • May 24, 2003, 5:27 p.m. CST

    THEGINGERTWIT

    by frank cotton

    no offense, mate, but do what?

  • May 24, 2003, 5:36 p.m. CST

    to Doc Bosch

    by Vern

    Thanks for the comments bud, you have definitely made me want to find out more about the background of the situation. Since I really don’t know much about Chavez at all I have no idea how accurate your points are (some of them were convincingly rebutted by somebody else) but I know for sure you have a better idea than I do. So thanks.

    For the rest of you fuckers though, you need to learn how to fuckin read. I never even MENTIONED the alleged US involvement in this coup and the movie really doesn’t argue that they were involved. It does mention the coup leaders meeting with white house officials and the widespread belief that the CIA was behind it, but it doesn’t actually explore this and try to prove it. It’s just one piece in the puzzle.

    When this happened of course the first thing everybody thought was oil + Ari Fleischer wildly praising a military coup as a victory for democracy = oh shit what has the CIA done. It would be silly not to mention this but I don’t think the filmatists necessarily believe it is true.

    But Harry is right, and I am right – no matter if Chavez was a heroic revolutionary in a Superman costume holding an orphan baby that he saved from a burning tiger cage, or an evil dictator with an orphan baby’s eyeball in his cocaine spoon, that issue (originally what the movie would’ve been about, I assume, and I’d still like to see that movie) is deliberately left in the background. The story here and the reason it’s called THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED after the great Gil Scott Heron song is the way this coup was perpetrated using the media. In fact they show footage where they admitted as much on a TV show. They got anti-Chavez marchers on the streets to create a volatile situation, they misrepresented footage of the resulting chaos and then throughout the crisis they gave false reports of what was going on (claiming that Chavez had resigned or that the new government was in control of the palace when these weren’t true). This is disturbing stuff for us Americans who just sat through 2 phoney televised wars in a row (both of which are still going on in the real world but are considered over on TV).

    Oh yeah and the title for the short film was Scenes from AN Endless War, sorry for the wrong title.

  • May 24, 2003, 5:37 p.m. CST

    to Doc Bosch

    by Vern

    Thanks for the comments bud, you have definitely made me want to find out more about the background of the situation. Since I really don’t know much about Chavez at all I have no idea how accurate your points are (some of them were convincingly rebutted by somebody else) but I know for sure you have a better idea than I do. So thanks.

    For the rest of you fuckers though, you need to learn how to fuckin read. I never even MENTIONED the alleged US involvement in this coup and the movie really doesn’t argue that they were involved. It does mention the coup leaders meeting with white house officials and the widespread belief that the CIA was behind it, but it doesn’t actually explore this and try to prove it. It’s just one piece in the puzzle.

    When this happened of course the first thing everybody thought was oil + Ari Fleischer wildly praising a military coup as a victory for democracy = oh shit what has the CIA done. It would be silly not to mention this but I don’t think the filmatists necessarily believe it is true.

    But Harry is right, and I am right – no matter if Chavez was a heroic revolutionary in a Superman costume holding an orphan baby that he saved from a burning tiger cage, or an evil dictator with an orphan baby’s eyeball in his cocaine spoon, that issue (originally what the movie would’ve been about, I assume, and I’d still like to see that movie) is deliberately left in the background. The story here and the reason it’s called THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED after the great Gil Scott Heron song is the way this coup was perpetrated using the media. In fact they show footage where they admitted as much on a TV show. They got anti-Chavez marchers on the streets to create a volatile situation, they misrepresented footage of the resulting chaos and then throughout the crisis they gave false reports of what was going on (claiming that Chavez had resigned or that the new government was in control of the palace when these weren’t true). This is disturbing stuff for us Americans who just sat through 2 phoney televised wars in a row (both of which are still going on in the real world but are considered over on TV).

    Oh yeah and the title for the short film was Scenes from AN Endless War, sorry for the wrong title.

  • May 24, 2003, 6:39 p.m. CST

    A little clarity please . . . .

    by grisscoat

    Sure, the USA is flawed, we mess up really big sometimes. That said, Americans are also the most humanitarian and significent people to EVER walk the earth. I repeat, the USA is flawed and if you’re interested in finding out more about these flaws then just go to college. There you’ll be coursed in how Un-Utopian the USA is really is. Nevermind the fact that no nation comes close to the Utopian ideal. Professors havn’t got time for those kinds of details. But if you’re interested in finding out what a great(imperfect but great) country this is then you’ll want to avoid most all of acedemia. Zero wisdom there. Tons of smart folks but zero wisdom there.

  • May 24, 2003, 7:23 p.m. CST

    After finding out that Prescott Bush (Dubya’s grampa) infiltrate

    by Uncle Sam

    and after finding out that George Herbert Bush was probably involved in the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy back when he was working with the CIA, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that Dubya is pure evil. Isn’t it interesting that Hitler, George Senior and George Junior all mentionned the establishment of a “New World Order” in some of their most intersting speeches? – I WANT YOU, but not in that way.

  • May 24, 2003, 7:23 p.m. CST

    After finding out that Prescott Bush (Dubya’s grampa) infiltrate

    by Uncle Sam

    and after finding out that George Herbert Bush was probably involved in the assassination of John Fitzgerald Kennedy back when he was working with the CIA, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that Dubya is pure evil. Isn’t it interesting that Hitler, George Senior and George Junior all mentionned the establishment of a “New World Order” in some of their most intersting speeches? – I WANT YOU, but not in that way.

  • May 24, 2003, 7:41 p.m. CST

    To eateneye

    by CapsuleVenez

    Ok, first things first, the Country is VENEZUELA, NOT ARGENTINA!!!!!! so check your facts. You say chavez made an election for the constitucion, sure he did, but tell me in a country with 70 some percent of poverty and about 20 percent or more of iliteracy who can fully understand and evaluate a full constitution. You have to undersand that when chavez won the presidential election almost 65% percent of voters abstained from voting beacause of the disapointment for the past gouverments, and from the 35% of voters that voted for chavez (almost 75% i think) most of them were very poor, and they voted for him beacuse in he they saw a messias he came with a languaje that appealed to them ver basic very low grade and most important very Anti-rich people. So when he said lets make a new consitution all the people that voted for him voted yes on the thing, and the rest like stupids they were kept abstaining. What happened in april 2002 was in fact a coup to get chavez out, and yes the media supported it, because it seemed like the only chanced we had to outs the person who has been bringing the Country even MORE down than it was, i havent seen the documentary, but for what i read it doesnt say the whole truht, more that a million chavez opositors marched on caracas that day asking for his resignation, and hundred of thousands more in the rest of the country, chavez doesnt have the mayority of the people any more, venezuela has politically awaken. the other thing, the media didnt say chavez had renounced, the Chief of the Armed Forces said so, and then he took it back, and he did it on national TV, that matter even more that a year later isnt clear, so what im saying is you really have to be here to understand the situation, what happened in april is still fuzzy, the role of the media wasnt perfect but neither was the gouverment, the had millitary man shooting to the people in the march, there is also video images of that, so please stop pronouncing such definitive statements on chavez or on the media and INVESTIGATE, and i mean REALLY investigate, dont just watch a movie or read an article, do some homework before you rule on whats best for my country.

  • May 24, 2003, 7:47 p.m. CST

    ebonic plague

    by Vern

    Ebonic Plague officially wins the best post competition. I wish you would lay off the fat people but those are some good analogies you made, especially America as alcoholic. thanks bud

  • May 24, 2003, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, and Harry…

    by Vern

    what’s this shit about me being a “cocksucker”? Come on man, I guess I wouldn’t mind going down on the movie it was a gal, but don’t call me a cocksucker. I thought we were buddies, man. I know this is the 90s or whatever it is now and I am all for the gays but that doesn’t mean I gotta be a cocksucker. That’s their job. thanks.

  • May 24, 2003, 10:41 p.m. CST

    dagan can’t tell the difference beetween his mouth and his assho

    by zts

    You make accusations about manipulation and it has all been disproved but you do not tell us who disproved it, was it your mum? or some imaginary fairy that you are in love with? or did it come from the bastion of truth Donald Rumfsield?. You are an idiot, you just did what you accuse other people of doing but are so dumb you didn’t notice, you either hate all political manipulation be it from left or right or you hate left wing manipulation and love right wing propaganda in which case i’ll see you on the front line.

  • May 25, 2003, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Venezuela. Not Argentina.

    by Kevin Bosch

    eateneye, we’re talking about Venezuela! Nor Argentina. I know CapsuleVenez already made this point, but if when trying to lecture me about my country, at least know which country it is. Vern, thanks for the acknowledgement. I read your review, but my post was directed at Harry and his comments. It seemed to me that, in his review, Harry was using the situation in Venezuela to support his views, whichever they may be; simply glossing over the real problems my country is dealing with. I really didn

  • May 25, 2003, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Also…

    by Kevin Bosch

    It seems odd to me that in a TalkBack about a documentry who’s subject is Venezuelan government, most of the comments are regarding the United States and it’s government. That said, I would like to see this documentry, I just hope it deals more with presenting the odd way information is related, and not so much with what kind of person (good or bad) Chavez is. Like I mentioned before, I’m not one to choose a side easily (or at all) but I am all for keeping an open mind and becoming as informed as possible.

  • May 25, 2003, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Sure…

    by KryptonsLastSon

    Chavez is just another poor third world president, read dictator, being pushed around by a meglomaniacal United States President….. Not quite. You may not agree with the President, and out of respect to the office if not the man you are supposed to address him as Mr. President or President Bush, but the world is not going to end on his watch. To read half of the posts here you would think that President Bush is the most evil person to ever live and is driving the world to the brink of destruction. As far as I’m concerned as long as the President of the United States fulfills his oath to protect and defend the US then that person has done their job. We are not the world’s traffic cop, but sometimes we have to be to protect our own self-interest. Sad? Yes. Necessary? You better fucking believe it. I won’t apologize to the rest of the world for what the President does and neither should anyone else, if it is being done to protect US lives or interests he is doing his job. This documentary, which I also saw at SIFF, is a documentary in the loosest of senses. The filmamkers definitely have a political agenda to push, their own interviews show that, and it has clouded the entire film with a bias. A liberal bias is just as bad as a conservative one if it distorts the truth. And when that distorted view is presented as the truth it is doubly damning, as is the case here. If you watch this go in knowing that bias exists, I suggest doing a search for the filmmakers names on the ‘net and reading up on them, and that the whole truth is likely somewhere between what made it to the screen adn what got left on the cutting room floor.

  • May 25, 2003, 2:29 a.m. CST

    to CapsuleVenez and Doc Bosch

    by eateneye

    It’s not really clear what happened in Venezuela !?! (btw, sorry I said Argentina). The film and several books and news stories have already outlined the basic agreed facts. The Chavez protesters decided to change their route and headed towards the capital. At the capital, they ran into a pro-Chavez rally. The military tried to keep the two groups apart, but a sniper opened fire on both crowds and all hell broke loose. All the media reported that Chavez supporters were indiscriminately killing the others, but in fact they were firing at the snipers. As much as you would like to argue, those are FACTS. And btw, I did do research on your country. I just finished a course on it which involved reading several books, hearing lectures, and seeing several films. As for all the abstention rate stuff, its a proven fact that abstention rates have a high statistical link to poverty rates. It’s the poor people who don’t vote (this is true in every country including ours), so your argument only indicates that his support is even higher among the rest of the people. The truth is that a lot of people still support Chavez and a lot of people do not. The problem is that the people who dislike him tend to have more control over the media (I say “tend” because Chavez has state TV). Thank you for keeping an open mind about the subject, but don’t try to write me off as not knowing anything, just because I wrote the Argentina and not Venezuela (again, sorry).

  • May 25, 2003, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Kryptons last son…. you must be careful – you are falling down

    by TheGinger Twit

    The President has no interest in protecting America. Well, maybe he does. But the truth is that he only cares about protecting his own arse from all the enemies he’s made in the last few years. America is not safer from bombing the shit out of Afganistan or Iraq. You have no idea how unsafe your country actually is now as a result of the Presidents insistance of destroying soverien nations that are not in favour with him. Take France. Done absolutely nothing to America, They just kept telling the UN that they don’t agree with bombing innocents and therefore lead the better part of Eurpoe and the world against such acts. The whole world, and UN new America was out of line, making up lies and just wanted their hands on the worlds second largest oil field. America dumps the UN, Goes in and wipes out thousands – Now begins a smear campaign on France. Hardly in the best interest of protecting Americans. Bush is also trying to start up problems with Asia. It’s so bizzare that you actually think Bush is protecting you and your country. He’s not. Do you hear? He’s not. Burn these words into your brain! He’s not! Right now America is hated by everyone. Some of the hatred is also coming from inside your own country by it’s own population – that says that you and the rest of the Bush-ites are in a vast minority. Now listen carefully. No one is happy with America and it’s disregard for International Law. No one is Happy with the continuing threat of war from the blood soaked hands of America. No one is interested in the freedom and democracy of America that you all claim to have. The world is not scared of terrorists. The world is not scared of their neighbours. The world is scared of America – people like you! The fact that there is (Fact) Billions of People against a mere (guess) 100 million Americans all for Bush and his ideal… well shit, you do the Mathematics on that. Bush wants to make peace to the world and put an end to WMD? Then why does he start wars? Why is he lifting the treaty that stops america from producing low yeald nuclear weapons? Why does all your American budget go into the military while the peaple suffer? Stop pissing in the wind. This must stop before we are all dead or dying from a radiated world asking ‘why?’

  • May 25, 2003, 8:02 a.m. CST

    pathetic..

    by Wyrdy the Gerbil

    Do you think any of the shit you can find in the news about Chavez and his administration will be true ..fuck no

    It will either be leftwing propaganga or rightwing, none of it will be the truth it will be slanted to portray the other side in as bad a light as possible if you take as gospel anything you see or read in the media your pathetic pricks

  • May 25, 2003, 11:55 a.m. CST

    So who’s next?

    by Ben Dobyns

    Yup. It must be a left-wing conspiracy between Chavez, Clinton, and that guy who writes the Boondocks. I KNEW they were all really commie Iranians. Maybe if we all snort enough coke, we’ll be able to see the truth also! (Trust those lefties to resort to ad hominem arguments that won’t hold water. Geez.) —- WASHINGTON (Reuters) —- The Bush administration has cut off contact with Iran, and Pentagon officials are pushing for action they believe could destabilize the government of the Islamic republic, The Washington Post reported in its Sunday edition. The move follows intelligence reports suggesting al Qaeda operatives in Iran played a role in the May 12 suicide bombings in Saudi Arabia, according to the newspaper. Citing administration officials, the newspaper said the White House “appears ready to embrace an aggressive policy of trying to destabilize the Iranian government.” Officials will meet Tuesday at the White House to discuss the Iran strategy, with Pentagon officials pressing for action that could lead to the toppling of the government through a popular uprising, the Post said. A White House spokeswoman declined comment on Saturday. —-

  • May 25, 2003, 12:38 p.m. CST

    The Quiet American

    by lemmdin

    To describe this film as unflattering of US involvement in SE Asia would be the understatement of the century.

    With superb performances by Michael Caine and Brendan Fraser. What little faith I had in our leaders to do the right thing in our foreign affairs was completely shattered after watching this. Not that it was great to begin with. Anyway, you’d have to be on crack to think the US had a noble purpose in Vietnam after seeing this. 60,000 Americans died in Vietnam, at least 20,000 more Vietnam Vets committed suicide afterwards according to a conservative US Government study, tens of thousands others maimed for life all for ntohing. Somehow I fail to the the glory in that. The communists weren’t responsible for their deaths. The US government committed the murder of each and every last American who died in Vietnam. After two decades of blatant non-stop lies about Vietnam, I would have a very hard time buying anything our leaders tell us about the situation in places like Venezuela.

  • May 25, 2003, 2:06 p.m. CST

    eateneye

    by Kevin Bosch

    I never said you didn’t know what you were talking about, it’s just that when you forget the name of the country you’re disscuing, it gives the impression that you don’t give the topic great importance (as if any Latin American country, and their woes, can be interchangable). Like I said, while I don’t like many of the actions and positions Chavez has taken, I’m not going to be abruptly against him without a total review of the information regarding the situation. There are many people who support Chavez, and just because the majority are poor doesn’t mean their opinion doesn’t matter. If this documentry shows the anti-Chavez media manipulating the facts to support their position, I’ll watch it from a distance, as a document of events that unraveld at that particular time under those particular circumstances. I’m not pro-media or even pro-“anti-Chavez”. But if the documentry flatly pertains that Chavez is a good guy (or even a bad guy), then you have to keep in mind that this movie is also a form of media that can also be manipulated.

  • May 25, 2003, 3:28 p.m. CST

    American People suffering…

    by KryptonsLastSon

    The United States entire budget does not go into the military and the vast majority of American people are not suffering. Admittedly if we had a socialist state like much of Europe where everyone was taken care of by the system everyone would have much the same standard of living,neither high nor low, of course Europe isn’t like that is it. Our defense budget is high because it has to be we are all over the world, trying to protect countries that can’t or won’t protaect themselves, S. Korea comes immediately to mind as does Japan, and trying to stabilize countries on the brink, many African nations fall into this category as does Columbia. I also admit we don’t practice diplomacy fairly or evenly, and there are many countries deserving of our help that don’t get it. The UN is also supposed to shoulder some of that burden, but doesn’t do a good job of that at all. In my opinion the issue with Iraq was loosely based on WMD, where are they now? Syria? did they even exist? Could we take that chance? No, because if they did that is a threat not just to us but nations all over the world. Saddam Hussein sponsors terrorism and we have to protect ourselves from that threat, wether they believe they have a good reason for attacking the US doesn’t matter at this point they will attack us and now we have to defend ourselves. Past mistakes have brought about part of the situation but to think that we should take out threats to our nation beacuse world opinion, or a portion of, doesn’t agree is fucking insane. Had we found nukes, or if we still find them, or chemical or biological weapons in Iraq would the world change its tune? Or would it still have been a show of imperialist US power in the Middle East? Many people hate America and the have reasons, if they attack or threaten us we have the right to defend and strike back. Bottom line: The friend of my enemy is my enemy. Align yourselves with my enemy and face the consequences. Indirect action and funding terrorists does not absolve you of the crime. I am done talking about this subject. I just felt that the unfair portrayl of Chavez as some sort of Robin Hood in this movie was disturbing while President Bush was portrayed as some sort of mustache twirling Sheriff of Nottingham which is insulting. If you have an agenda be forthright about it, to call this a documentary is not honest. Honesty would have had them presenting both sides of the sotry instead of the Chavez controlled PR side. I imagine a movie just like this could be made from Saddam Husseins inner circle, with an evil president Bush, and calls into a radio show praising Saddam. It would be all staged for Saddam’s image of course, but it would be all you would see. While the war was winding down I saw joyous people celebrating his fall, defacing his pictures, and tearing down his statues. The price was paid in blood on BOTH sides for Iraqi freedom, and a price that was worth paying. Or was the UN preparing to free the Iraqi people of Saddam’s regime and totalitairan rule? Just because someone stands against the US doesn’t make them the good guys, no matter what you think of the US. This movie would have been quite different I believe had a Democratic or Non-US President been pulling the strings.

  • May 25, 2003, 7:20 p.m. CST

    SIFF short film Hong Kong 80’s roller skating

    by E66801

    Come see my short film, Triple Threat which has been described as “An 80’s Asian version of Sixteen Candles on Roller Skates.” It plays on June 3rd at 7pm at the Broadway Theatre.

  • May 26, 2003, 1:30 a.m. CST

    I had already figured….

    by Raider

    that Ginger was just angry and full of crap based on her earlier posts, but her last one confirmed it. She claims something to the effect that all of America’s budget goes to the military. The facts (which, based on her posts, she is clearly not too keen on because they don’t fit her worldview) is that military spending is about 3% of America’s GDP. For France its about 2.5%. We’re outdoing them by a whopping 0.5%. So why does our military seem to have so much more money than others. Well, it’s because our economy is so much bigger, and 3% of our GDP comes out to a lot more raw dollars than 3% of ANY other country’s GDP (or GNP, depending on which they use). And on that note, we also give more in foreign aid than any other country. In 2000 it was slightly over 10.5 billion dollars. It has increased since then. The next closest: Japan. What’s the point of this whole post? To at least get some actual facts in this discussion. I would like to say to dispel a couple myths as well, but I’m not betting on that. Some people are determined to believe something regardless.

  • May 26, 2003, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Hey Superman

    by Vern

    If Bush is so god damn good at defending our country then how come the one fucking time we were attacked he couldn’t even manage standard protocol for the air force? It took COLOSSAL ineptitude and errors for September 11th to happen and yet afterwards not a single person was fired, Bush and Cheney specifically asked Congress NOT to investigate what happened and then when investigations eventually did get underway, both were sabotaged by the administration and the intelligence agencies. They are spending a measly $3 million to investigate what happened in the worst terrorist incident of our history, a fraction of the amount that is spent on the “defense” of building weapons of mass destruction or investigating the last president (“Mr. President” to you, I guess). To put it in Ain’t It Cool terms, Americans spent 7 times that amount to see Kangaroo Jack on opening weekend. It costs $3 million to investigate 9-11, and $2.5 million to make an episode of Touched By An Angel. Think about it Superman. You can twist the definition of “defense” until it’s a limp piece of silly putty but when it comes down to it, Mr. President has completely failed at defending our country. That said, if you did see the movie then you must have noticed that the issue of American involvement in the coup is a tangental issue at best. You’re making it sound like that’s the focus of the movie which is not the case. I don’t remember them even showing or quoting Bush in the movie (just Fleischer and Powell) but I guess I will take your word for it about the mustache twirling.

  • May 26, 2003, 4:24 a.m. CST

    hmmmmm

    by TheGinger Twit

    Like I suspected, all your information comes from American TV. Just wait and see. You’ll learn soon just how bad American Poverty really is. You’l lalso learn very soon just how fucked up your econemy is. America is going to crash. Mark these words – it’s very widely known….. just not to the American public. Once again, thank the obediant Media for that.

  • May 26, 2003, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Ginger(must resisit urge)twit….

    by BURDIZZO

    There, I did it. I hope you are drunk. Otherwise, you must be one of the dumbest MFers on the planet. When you want to make an argument, spell correctly and do not go crazy with capitilizing things. You may end up sounding like a douche if you do not heed these warnings…

  • May 26, 2003, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Raider – Foreign aid and an opportunity

    by WeedyMcSmokey

    $10.5 billion – what percentage of the US GDP is that? Also, compare to post WW II figures. American foreign aid has dropped significantly.***** Just really have a hard time with people in the US seemingly pre-occupied by the partisan nature of their political debate. Stop looking at where the criticism is coming from and start looking at the criticism itself. It amazes me that in a time when information can be shared without borders how easily people swallow the info presented by those with the obvious agendas – the agendas that are being played out on the world stage right in front of you. Those that actually have an investment in international law know that there is no such thing, without the support of the world’s superpower, presently treating it like a tool of convenience. Hugely damaging precendents are being set by the very people who champion freedom and democracy for all. Convince me that the foremost nation in the world is anything more than an elitist, xenophobic, virulent nation with all the media integrity of a banana republic. People, it’s a fucking joke – you’re being run by CEOs who can’t see past the next quarter – there’s no vision, only the timelines related to the average attention span of a voter, or the average grade in geography. How can a nation that has produced such exceptional people, go so wrong? If Bush is doing the right things – do you feel safer? If no, then you acknowledge the dangerous degree of hatred. If yes, is it because you believe the US will be able to, and willing to, respond with total violence anywhere in the world (recent go ahead to produce tactical nuclear weapons)? If yes, then ask yourself how’d you feel if you lived anywhere else in the world – yeah basically if Iraq were 10 times bigger and had stealth bombers. It seems to me that the there is a tendency to forget in the US that the entire planet is not owed to you as a birthright or that as a conquoring empire. Blah, obviously not a big fan of US foreign policy. Where are the WMD? You guys seemed so sure they were there…. That was two months ago. Personally, I never thought that this would be a problem – I expected there to be WMDs – it is Iraq after all, and WMD are parked right outside your back door if you live in the US, or frankly in most wealthy western nations. They’re pretty prevalent – not that special. The fact that the US hasn’t found any though, is astounding to me. I expect this story will just ‘go away’ though. American people won’t speak of it and it won’t be debated in any public arena. It hasn’t appeared as a news story in more than 3 weeks from what I’ve seen. Frankly, we’re actually watching the degredation of American values right in America every day. I thought the constitution was supposed to be important? Most of you seem afraid that any meaningful change will result in a smaller selection at Walmart. Ah, as I re-read this it sounds so fucking self-righteous, I’m not trying to, I’m just really disappointed in a nation I formerly held such high regard for.Based on, of all things – an idea of what is right for all. Just a fairy tale.

  • May 26, 2003, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Hey Vern, its Earl…

    by KryptonsLastSon

    Sorry couldn’t resist. I know that the issue of US involvement wasn’t the overwhelming issue. But that is what has been made out to be the point of this movie at this site. As for mustache twirling, figure of speech and all that. Anyways I guess I must be some sort of idiot because I don’t agree with everyone that the whole world has a reason to hate America. I guess we should just quietly withdraw our troops to within our borders and close the country off to the outside world and see how the world’s humanitarian and peace making efforts fair then…. As for Chavez and his little socialist regime, do a little background research on him Twit. It may not make you like America, but it sure as fuck will make you question this “documentary”. While you do that I’ll just wait for our economy to collapse and take the rest of the world with it into the freaking toilet, so everyone can sit back and feel good about themselves and keep repeating “I told you so….”

  • May 26, 2003, 6:59 p.m. CST

    KRYPTONSLASTSON

    by frank cotton

    sounds like a good idea to me. i’m betting it wouldn’t be a week beforesomeone would be screaming for our help (if only our money). funny how all these countries, that have bathed in the past in rivers of blood, seem to think they walk on water now. but as they say, those who can, do; those who can’t criticize.

  • May 26, 2003, 9:51 p.m. CST

    weedy you are right on the mark

    by jackburtonlives

    everything you said i could have said myself. i was also the biggest fan of the US during the cold war. i visited (and lived a year) behind the iron curtain and when it fell i naively thought the future held nothing but promise. but now the States has taken a radical U-turn. it seems obvious to everyone in the world except those under the spell of FOX news and CNN. the distance between reality and rhetoric is getting wider every day… and no one in the US can see it. chilling…

  • May 26, 2003, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Mr. McSmokey

    by CharlesnJay

    In our defense, please remember that our current leader responded to the massive turnout at anti-war rallies by saying that changing his policy based on them would be like basing military decisions on a focus group. In many cases, apathy arises from the conviction that one’s opinion — and more importantly, one’s vote — are inconsequential. What we suffer from now is 1) the lack of an adequate opposition party and 2) the Republicans’ success at convincing the American people that dissent is tantamount to terrorism. These two factors lead to the deafening silence that are misinterpreted as apathy overseas.

  • May 26, 2003, 9:57 p.m. CST

    waiting for liberation

    by jackburtonlives

    i live in indonesia and almost ONE MILLION people were killed in the 60s after the US-backed coup that put General Suharto into power. in the same decade, the US blasted the crap out of Vietnam killing over 3million vietnamese (mostly civilians) to “liberate” it. cambodia and laos were bombed back to the stone age, also to prevent them from becoming communist. over 500,000 sorties were flown over Laos; the US dropped the equivalent of one sortie every 8 minutes 24 hours a day for 1 year. cambodia met the same fate, except it was bombed even harder. most americans just stare at you blankly if you mention this. guess those stats are not on FOX too often********NOW the US has just announced it is moving troops into place in Australia to “monitor” Indonesia. the question is not IF it’s WHEN the next “liberation” will start.

  • May 26, 2003, 9:58 p.m. CST

    as my proofreader has just informed me:

    by CharlesnJay

    “is interpreted overseas as apathy.”

  • May 26, 2003, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Ignorance

    by brucebridges

    I can’t think of anything more pathetic than people who get their political world view from documentaries. Obviously a lot of you don’t read the paper or keep up with ongoing world news. You have no background on the Venezuela situation and are so ignorant of basic facts that you would believe anything.

    If you don’t go to the trouble of keeping informed, you have no place in spewing idiotic comments simply because you sat in the dark for two hours.

    And don’t mix up “entertaining” with “profound”.

  • May 27, 2003, 2:36 p.m. CST

    AHHH! “I’m all for the gays”….HAHAHHAA!

    by Jaka

    Shit Vern. That just about killed me.//////Thanks for the great review. I had forgoten about your site as well, so thanks (to AICN as well) for posting the link. You should write more for AICN (or anybody that will listen). The amount of improvement from your porfanity laiden first reviews to this one is unmeasurable. And although you still need to tighten things up around the edges (and throw down some more punctuation)this is really nice to see. Thanks for representin’ for all outlaws everywhere (and for everyone that doesn’t understand that, good. It’s not meant for you).

  • May 27, 2003, 2:50 p.m. CST

    brucebridges. when will people get it?

    by Jaka

    Why doesn’t anybody understand why a doc like this is important? People I know don’t read the newspaper anymore. Our TV news (local and national)is goverment fead and controlled propoganda. There are so many THOUSANDS of sites on the internet with conflicting information that it becomes frustrating to use. Library? What’s a library? With all the new buddget cuts they are dropping like flies. So ANY film that is not the normal Hollywood shit that gets spewed out year after year is great. If it brings people to smaller, art-house theaters, even better! If it actually makes people think about something other than wether or not an effect was CGI after seeing the film, outstanding! See, America IS a huge place. Most people in America (in my experiences) have a hard time keeping up with the news in their own town. Let alone their county, state and region. If you get up to National news, and can still have an intelligent conversation with someone, you’re doing well. Plus, we do have our pride (as blind as it may be) in all things American. So to expect every American to know what is going on in every country on every continent, to the point that they know the details and opinions of all sides involved, well that’s totally ridiculous. I live in the SF bay area and I bet you someone from Kentucky would have no clue as to what most of our major political, goverment and social problems are here in the Bay Area, or even California. I KNOW that I don’t know shit about what is going on in Kentucky. So to all you high and mighties that come to these talkbacks and lambast everyone that doesn’t know all the same “facts” as you, get a grip. How about using your brain to teach and spread knowledge rather than waste those braincells on yet another insult. Not knowing all the facts about something does not make you WRONG unless you are claiming to be RIGHT; it just makes you uninformed. That is why a movie/doc like this (or something by Michael Moore – even if you think he’s scum) important. It gives people reason to think, question and hopefully learn something.

  • May 27, 2003, 2:58 p.m. CST

    jackburtonlives

    by Jaka

    Yep. And because of MOST of those actions we are still a democratic and prosperous nation. What Jack said is exactly my point. He came here with the intent of showing how evil America has been towards all these other countries. Does he, or you, think that we just picked a land mass and started bombing. The USA is a very young country and we have had to do a lot to protect ourselves as we have been a CONSTANT TARGET for almost one hundred years. Do I agree with all of the military avtivity we’ve been involved in? No. Do I believe that our goverment has been, or will be, honest about all these military actions? No. If they were, we would have been attacked (in the continental US) long ago. See, there are 2, 3, 10! sides to every story. To those of you who screem conspiracy and spout the evils of our goverment, I respect your opinion. But if you follow that rule exclusively than you are just as ignorant as the person who blindly follows. There is a middle ground. Sometimes the good guys have to do bad things. Sometimes the good guys turn out to be the bad guys, and vice versa. The point of all this is just don’t blindly follow anything. If the US was AS EVIL as some of you make them out to be, we would have been stopped long ago. We are powerful, but not all powerful.

  • May 27, 2003, 3:34 p.m. CST

    The Revolution WAS televised/Cuba

    by mtoast

    I think the talkback controversy surrounding this film is hilarious — especially given that in Canada and the UK it’s already aired on TV. Try putting it on the tube in the States right now and you’d have advertiser boycotts streaming out yer browneye faster’n a cream-corn buffet. And to DarthCrapper, the guy comparing Castro and Chavez: I won’t get into my feelings on Cuba and the American exile lobby, but on a purely objective level does the small matter of free and democratic elections in Venezuela mean nothing to you? ‘Cause unlike George W, Chavez actually WON his election fair and square. So how is he a dictator? Oh, you don’t like him ’cause he’s for the poor — so THAT makes him a dictator. Thanks for clearing that up. Welcome to Miami.

  • May 27, 2003, 10:43 p.m. CST

    general question

    by CharlesnJay

    I know this is slightly off topic, but the comment about TRWNBT airing already in Canada brought this to mind. There was a great deal of discussion surrounding the inaccuracies/allegations/shocking info in Bowling for Columbine and I’d like to see it for myself. Theaters showing it were difficult to reach in my area, and now I’m hearing that the video release date has been postponed indefinitely. Sinister gov’t conspiracy? Terrifying blank vhs shortage? Michael Moore attacked by the infamous killer tomatoes?

  • May 28, 2003, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Vern and Anti-US Eurotrash

    by tritium

    Vern:

    Exactly how was President Bush irresponsible or at fault with the tradegy of 9/11 as Commander an Chief.

    You obviously have no idea of our Strategic Air Command and North American Air Defense systems work.

    Interdiction and intercepts of non-civilian, foreign military planes were routinely carried out during the Cold War by coastal Air Force and Air Force Reserve bases. In No CASES were normal civilian traffic part of the equation.

    When the first two planes from Logan (Boston) dropped communication and were heading for NYC, there was no existing precedence for scrambling fighters to intercept. It was not until the intentions were known, and the first plane hit the Twin Towers, were orders given for fighters to be scrambled. In any event, the fighter(s) scrambled from MA were unable to intercept the second plane before it hit the second tower.

    In fact…the first US fighter planes in the air DID NOT even have missles or ammunition. They were given orders to literally crash into the jet liners as a last resort. The plane that hit the pentagon was unable to be intercepted in time. The plane that went down over PA thanks to the bravery of the crew and passengers would have been intercepted, if it had continued onto DC.

    Before 9/11, the possibility of US interdiction of domestic/civilian flights was never even considered…and it is a TESTAMENT to the rapid response and personal initiative by local commanders that we were even able to get some fighters up in such a short time window, and in one case with at least the ability to take down the plane that crashed in PA, if necessary.

    After the end of the Cold War, and mainly due to the crippling of the Defense Budget by the Clinton administration, the capabilities of of Air National Guard and other agencies was severely compromised.

    President Bush and the Dept. of Homeland Security are rectifiying this situation. Also, the rules of engangement by US military fighters has been changed in light of 9/11, and possiblie future contingincies.

    —————–

    As for you Eurotrash American bashers.

    FUCK YOU!!!!

    I know it sucks that the entire defense budget for all the countries of the EU, as well as Russia and CHINA COMBINED doesn’t match US spending.

    I know our overwhelming force posture and technological leadership creates severe feeling’s of inadequacy.

    I ALMOST wish 9/11 happenned in one of your countries (not really, as I wouldn’t wish that on anyone)…maybe you might have a different perspective on things, and understand the enormous burden and responsibilty that falls upon of President.

    I know it really grates on your nerves that our culture and standard of living is the envy of the World.

    I am sorry that you live in a Socialist state. How does it feel to have 60% or more of your earnings go to your government run welfare programs.

    I am sorry that, despite all the dire predicitions of Japan/Asian ascendancy and US downfall in the 1980’s haven’t come to pass…and that we are the most powerful country in the world both militarily and economically.

    Perhaps the greatest shame is that if it was not for the USA, you would be speaking either German or Russian right now, and your exisiting culture would be Kaput!

    It must suck that with over half of all Nobel Prize winners for physics, chemistry, and medicine since 1945 have been Americans.

    It must suck that our GNP is larger than all the countries of the EU, combined.

    All this must really grate on your European sensibilities.

    Sorry….

  • May 28, 2003, 6:51 p.m. CST

    news sources

    by brucebridges

    JAKA,

    This story was all over the news if people paid attention. My local, crappy paper ran daily stories. Online there are plenty of sources of news. NTtimes, BBC, MSNBC, CNN etc. etc. are everywhere. People have no excuse, except they can’t be bothered, for not knowing about this.

    And they have no excuse for not being aware of the ongoing strikes that have plagued Venezuela as Chavez beat the strikers down.

    So you complain that you don’t know who to believe and I assume you are saying that this should be your source? Filmmakers that make a love letter to Chavez? Do you honestly believe that they are going to give a balanced view? There are plenty of sources of information about Chavez and his many dictatorial actions. How in the hell could you watch a single film and choose to believe it rather than getting a complete picture?

    ObscureReference, if you are going to invoke a word like “smite” perhaps you can do better than throw up some half-baked conspiracies that are based solely on the lunatic ravings of some…lunatic. What evidence are you referring to when you say Bush knew about 9-11? That’s just silly or moronic. The US government funded and trained Osama? Once again, you are using wrong info. Twenty percent of every tax dollar to the military? Now you are not only showing your ignorance buy laziness as well. Your numbers are so completely off is isn’t even worth arguing. Do a simple google search before you make such a statement again. Your country spends money on social efforts instead of military? Why do you think your country can? Because the US has been supplying your defense. The US has in effect subsidized your budget. Can you imagine what the US could do domestically if France provided our defense instead? Many European countries have suffered Terrorist attacks for years and you’ve come to understand the complex problems? Well, that’s just great. What are you doing about it? Obviously nothing as you just stated that Europe has endured this for so long. Is that the solution? Give me a break.

    There is plenty of information out there for people that want to know the truth. But if you are just looking to believe some wacky conspiracies (I know, it’s so much more fun and cool and…edgy), you’ll ignore the facts and settle on any idiot theory that supports your fantasy.

  • May 29, 2003, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Delusions

    by brucebridges

    “Dialogue stops terrorism, look at Northern Ireland.” Are you fucking serious? You expect us to use Northern Ireland as an example of successful dealings with terrorism? That is too laughable. “In the early 1960s when John F. Kennedy was President, defense spending was roughly 50% of the total federal budget. In the mid 1980s, under Reagan

VERN has been reviewing movies since 1999 and is the author of the books SEAGALOGY: A STUDY OF THE ASS-KICKING FILMS OF STEVEN SEAGAL, YIPPEE KI-YAY MOVIEGOER!: WRITINGS ON BRUCE WILLIS, BADASS CINEMA AND OTHER IMPORTANT TOPICS and NIKETOWN: A NOVEL. His horror-action novel WORM ON A HOOK will arrive later this year.

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