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Fuck My Son!

FUCK MY SON! is a movie that, for the foreseeable future, you’re only gonna see if it comes to your town as part of a road show. Writer/director Todd Rohal (THE GUATEMALAN HANDSHAKE, THE CATECHISM CATACLYSM) is traveling around with a 35mm print that hit Seattle last weekend and has many more stops lined up.

Rohal says he plans to do that for at least a year, and that he’ll never license it to streaming, though eventually it will come to physical media. But it’s the kind of thing that if you’re gonna have a great time it’s probly gonna be in a midnight movie (for me 8pm) type scenario laughing, cringing and groaning together with other area weirdos. Did I mention it’s called FUCK MY SON!?

It’s based on a comic book by Johnny Ryan (Looney Tunes Cartoons, Who Raped My Horse?), and this screening started with a puppet show based on another Ryan comic, followed by a discussion between Ryan and fellow alternative comix legend Peter Bagge. The former was grossed out by the fake poop left on the ground by the puppeteers and made Rohal clean it up.

They weren’t only there to talk about the movie – Rohal moderated and seemed to want to pick their brains about their previous brushes with potential Hollywood adapters and their feelings about trying to make transgressive art despite today’s sensitivities and social media outrages. I was sympathetic to their points while also sensing they were headed toward the corner of Gen-X Old Man and Everything Has to Be So P.C. These Days. Bagge told a story about R. Crumb saying he was afraid to make comics after #MeToo, meaning it as a sad story about self censorship, but also making me think, “Hmmm…” Thankfully I’m pretty sure nobody said the buzzwords “woke” or “cancel culture,” and Ryan said something pretty astute about how accusing everybody who tries to be edgy of being an “edgelord” is ultimately asking for no edges.

Anyway he had a comic called Fuck My Son which has been turned into the movie FUCK MY SON!. He said he imagined the comic as an exploitation movie that would never actually be made, but now (to his disbelief) it has been. It proudly bears an old school X-rating, along with a Universal logo and a “Hormel Chili Presents” credit (possibly my favorite joke in the whole thing). It’s the story of an old lady named Vermina (she reminds me of a heavyset version of Mama from Mama’s Family) who abducts a woman named Sandi (Tipper Newton, HANNAH TAKES THE STAIRS) and her young daughter Bernice (Kynzie Colmery, SCARED TO DEATH), puts the daughter in a cage, and threatens them with violence unless, yes, the mother agrees to fuck her son, her sweet angel, Fabian.

When Sandi eventually gives in Vermina wheels out Fabian and he’s a repulsive, pustule-ridden mutant. To get his dick out she has to remove his diaper and reach into a weird hole. There’s some Frank Henenlotter spirit in this, and actually now that I check IMDb I see that Gabe Bartalos (BASKET CASE 2 and 3, director of SKINNED DEEP) did work in the makeup department. But according to the opening credits the creature FX supervisor was Robert Kurtzman, the K in KNB whose resume includes EVIL DEAD II, A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 5, PULP FICTION and story credit for FROM DUSK TILL DAWN. In the Q&A Rohal proudly noted that Kurtzman made the fake dicks for BOOGIE NIGHTS and The Curse and now this. If you’re like me you’ll admire the craftsmanship done in the service of absolutely repelling shock humor. Being repulsed by it is a fun group activity – the guy next to me seemed to like it but couldn’t stop saying things like “Oh please God no” as things escalated.

It’s a fucked up movie, and the score by Aaron M. Fernandez Olson (NUTCRACKERS) occasionally helps it almost pass for some deranged grindhouse thriller, but it’s not actually disturbing. It’s much too joyously button-pushing and playfully disgusting for that – like a drive-in remake of NOTHING BUT TROUBLE, with splashes of THE DARK BACKWARD and GARBAGE PAIL KIDS: THE MOVIE. A raunchy live action cartoon, some mischievous fun, that’s all.

The one aspect I found authentically unsavory is that there were several things I suspected were done with generative A.I. – some quick crowd shots in a funny pre-show, the gross meat-based lettering on the credits, an illustration at some point, but most significantly the scenes where Bernice imagines her favorite cartoon characters, anthropomorphized meats called The Meatie Mates, appearing to her as three-dimensional characters. I wanted to give Rohal the benefit of the doubt that maybe they were just janky and unpleasant animation, since I’ve seen artists falsely accused of being A.I. and I would hate to do that to somebody. Nobody brought it up during the Q&A, but Rohal did say something like “someone should make a 100% A.I. movie and piss everybody off,” and his friend and collaborator Megan Griffiths (director of EDEN) plugged an upcoming panel discussion where he said they would debate the use of A.I. The way he joked about it did make him kinda seem, sorry to say, like an edgelord. Like Sid Vicious wearing a swastika t-shirt to get a reaction.

I didn’t know this had already been a controversy, with Rohal’s side explained in this sympathetic Indiewire piece. I am not the angry people described in the article, because I feel bad even bringing this up, knowing it will be a dealbreaker for some people. I am one of the people described as not getting the joke – of course the Meatie Mates cartoon is a parody of kiddy slop, but it didn’t occur to me that the FX used to show them in the real world would be too. Is there a creepily realistic CGI Veggie Tales I’m unaware of?

Rohal honestly seems like a cool guy, and I’m a fan of his work, so I’m being more forgiving here than I’ve ever been with any other A.I. person. I think the explanation of his intent is sincere, and I can understand his other justification that it’s just another tool to make weird shit with. His defense that it’s not stealing jobs may also be true, if there was no chance he was going to hire animators or puppeteers to do those scenes, which is believable on such a DIY movie.

To me it’s still not worth it to use a technology that financially benefits the actual specific fascists and corrupt oligarchs currently at war with our democracies, ravaging the planet with their data centers, causing multiple environmental and health crises that they’re trying to hide away in minority communities, since that’s the way these fuckers operate. I don’t buy the argument that A.I. is inevitable so we might as well use it, which is also pretty much the last talking point for all the garbagey A.I.-soiled products they’ll keep forcing on us until the economy collapses from the dipshits in charge finally admitting that obvious charlatans got them to invest untold billions into an absurd scam. You really don’t even have to get to the part where generative A.I. steals the work of unwitting artists (myself included in the text-based ones) and has an output that usually looks putrid and is the preferred aesthetic of fascists. But there’s that too.

Even viewers that don’t see A.I. as an ethical breach or an insult to humanity don’t have a choice but to compare those parts to the lovingly hand-crafted aspects of the same film and wish that the very funny idea of the cartoon meat could’ve been done as puppets by Kurtzman and friends or animated by any of the talented artists associated with this comic book based production. Or maybe that would ruin the joke that I didn’t get. I don’t know.

After the movie I debated with myself about the possible intent of using it, and though I do definitely believe Rohal is coming from a more genuine place than those other assholes, it doesn’t change that yep, he used it, it’s in the movie. It’s like how they killed that turtle animals for real in CANNIBAL FEROX. Okay, I saw it, it was disgusting, then I went on with my life, but I don’t like that they did that. I hope nobody does that again. That’s all I can do.

(It’s been about 30 years but I believe I enjoyed enduring FUCK MY SON! more than I did CANNIBAL FEROX.)

Obviously the writer/director of the movie FUCK MY SON! is gonna be, by definition, a provocateur. I figure the backlash he’s experienced and anything I could write here would only encourage him to explore the technology more. Maybe Megan Griffiths talked some sense into him. Other than that issue though I really respect the spirit of this thing: the defiantly non-mainstream attitude, the let’s-put-on-a-show-but-with-giant-dicks silliness. So as a gesture of good will I’ve saved one of the best things about the movie to discuss last, and that is that it’s a reunion of the two stars of THE CATECHISM CATACLYSM, both under enough makeup that I might not have known right away if I hadn’t seen the credits.

I never would’ve expected Robert Longstreet (THE OLD MAN & THE GUN) to play a role like Vermina, which at first glance doesn’t seem to let him use his super power for feeling genuine. But it’s so fun to see him fully dedicated to playing a hateful, hobbling old hag, and there are times when his voice and contemptuous glares break through the absurdity of the situation to actually be chilling. I would not want to encounter this lady.

That of course leaves Steve Little (HEARTS IN ATLANTIS) to be the guy inside the giant foam monster costume, and if you’re familiar with him you can imagine how his eyes and teeth and voice and drool could be attached to a slimy, horny baby-man. Once you see it you can’t really picture anybody else playing Fabian, or Fabian having any other voice. You even see the simple doodle of the comic book and think “Yes, of course, Steve Little.” The role he was born to play.

I should note that there’s a weirdly high amount of drool coming from the non-monster characters as well, in particular Sandi. I don’t know Newton from anything else but she’s also a key to this thing working, impressively throwing herself into the hard-to-imagine intersection between survival horror victim and mom in a comedy. She has to play her horrible treatment and desperation to save her daughter as real without us getting too upset about it to laugh. And I can tell you, we were laughing, maybe even including the majority of the crowd who rushed out the exit before the Q&A. All things considered I recommend FUCK MY SON! to those of you who would consider seeing a movie called FUCK MY SON!.

For your consideration in all categories – FUCK MY SON!. As far as an adapted screenplay, my understanding is that most of it is extremely faithful to the source material, except that Queen Latifah is in the comic and gets shot, while the movie goes in a different direction. Here are my updated 2025 comic book movie rankings.

Disclaimer: I have not seen CAPTAIN AMERICA: BRAVE NEW WORLD or THE OLD GUARD 2 and I’ve left off RED SONJA because I’m not sure how to rate its mild low budget charms against the slicker movies that maybe I wanted more out of but were technically more effective.

4. THE FANTASTIC FOUR: FIRST STEPS
3. THUNDERBOLTS*
2. FUCK MY SON!
1. SUPERMAN

What do the other comic book fans think? Where do you rank FUCK MY SON!? Let me know in the comments!

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30 Responses to “Fuck My Son!”

  1. Just reading “Hormel Chili Presents” made me laugh out loud.

    Macon Blair’s new one is called The Shitheads. Wonder if we’re entering a new era of movie titles.

  2. I was bummed in the exact same way by the AI. That was a real drag… the turtle analogy was perfect.

  3. To be fair, I too think that someone should finally make a whole movie with AI. Just to show that it either is indeed possible to do something actually good with it (unlikely) or kill that myth and make Hollywood realize that it’s neither cost or time saving (since you would have to hire people to check every frame for shit like constantly changing building, rubber cars or extras with three arms and have to redo a shot over and over until it’s releasable) and most of all nobody but AI cultists and ragebait YouTubers will watch it. It’s gonna be that NFT cartoon about apes all over again.

  4. This movie is probably right up my alley, but this guy seems like a smug asshole. That’s not a dealbreaker, necessarily, but it sure doesn’t feel like he’s courting a fanbase I want to be a part of. It sure seems like he’s going for the Joe Rogan crowd. If he’s gonna make it that hard for me to see his movie, and then when I do I gotta sit through him ranting about These Kids These Days like the Boomers he no doubt claims to hate, I got better things to do.

  5. Johnny Ryan has always been Prison Pit for me. Jesus, if the dudes from Psycho Goreman or Macon Blair could get that on film my brain would melt.

  6. Huh, this sounds kind of great, AI notwithstanding. We’ll see if it ever reaches those of us here in the UK, doesn’t sound like the guy’s making it easy.

    AI boosters have a cloud of reality distortion around them even if they’re true believers and not hucksters. If the movie fails, they would absolutely find a way to rationalize it in a way that lets the technology off easy; “If this had been done a year later, it would have been AMAZING”

    (Hate to be that guy, but the movie with the unsimulated turtle butchery is CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST – I don’t think I’ve seen FEROX, but if that movie also has turtle murder… seriously, what the fuck is wrong with those people?)

  7. The AI thing is similarly depressing to me, and I think people intentionally disregard the environmental stuff so they can pretend using the technology is just sticking it to elitist artists or wokescolds or people who are easily angered or whatever person they imagine they’re baiting. I think AI art looks ugly in a truly boring way but that isn’t really why I have a visceral reaction to it.

    That comes from stuff like the people in Memphis’ Black neighborhoods being unable to go outside because the turbines that make AI possible are coating their homes in smog.

    Or from reading that the pollutants these AI companies are pumping into impoverished communities are expected to lead to 1,300 annual deaths by 2030 (https://news.ucr.edu/articles/2024/12/09/ais-deadly-air-pollution-toll). I don’t know, maybe just don’t have meat dance around in your “haha a penis” movie if it’s going to help put a kid in the projects on a breathing tank his parents can’t afford.

    As far as Johnny Ryan goes, I like his art style and think he can be great. I’ve seen work he did for Nickelodeon Magazine and Mad, of all places, that was legitimately funny. I even like most of Prison Pit and Blecky Yuckerella. It’s when he’s trying to push buttons that every punchline is just “Mexican guy drinks a bunch of cum” or “Obama fucks a horse” or “a child says they want to rape a homeless person.” When he has any kind of restriction on his stuff, it seems to keep him from being lazy. It’s not that I want to live in a world without edges, it’s that I don’t want to buy a 100 page book that shows me the same three edges over and over again, and which are recycled from the last book. I bought Fat Cop and it had the same jokes he’d put into his Kramers Ergot work, which were the same jokes that were in The Comics Holocaust, etc. I keep reading the work because, again, he can be great. But my monocle doesn’t slowly fall from my face in horror when I, Dr. Manhattan-style, watch him make the same joke every year for decades.

  8. Majestyk – Maybe I’ve given the wrong impression, because I wouldn’t describe him as smug, ranting, or for the Joe Rogan crowd. My impression of him and the two cartoonists during that discussion was that they’re those guys a little older than us, or who were making comics or music or movies when we were teenagers, who are basically liberal and will never become Trumpy, but they’re slower to adjust to new ideas about social justice or whatever. They came up being the definition of punk rock that includes being angry and messy and not always correct and now if maybe their attitudes are outdated or even if they’re not but someone is being prudish about it they’re like “What the fuck, I’m one of the good guys!” before trying to evolve. And I would agree that they’re the good guys even though there are some things they, in my opinion, don’t get.

    And it’s true that the world of alternative comics they came up in has kind of been corporatized away. Ryan’s usual publisher Fantagraphics used to publish porno comics but would not publish Fuck My Son (now a major motion picture).

    I wish I was Mr. Subtlety, I think he could explain this better.

  9. Dread – I think you’re right, it was some other kind of animal cruelty in CANNIBAL FEROX.

  10. One or two of the indie theaters near me were playing this, but I didn’t have the balls to Google it, let alone go see it. Thanks for taking that bullet for us. It sounds like the kind of movie I would’ve been into in my early 20s, but have lost the taste for.

    I think Crumb did just come out with a new comic, and I am told it includes a lot of anti-vax stuff, though I don’t know how seriously he presents it.

    Today Disney announced they’re paying OpenAI to allow them to let people use Disney and Marvel characters in their AI slop? This just depresses me. I think Radu Jude also has a bunch of ironic AI stuff in his new movie. I feel like the provocateurs are provoking the wrong people.

  11. NFTs! I totally forgot about those! That is the perfect analogy for what will happen with AI.

  12. Bill— Crumb’s comic has a bunch of anti-vax and conspiracy theory stuff, and he’s completely sincere while also giving himself the out he always gets— these are my uncensored thoughts, a direct line to my brain, I am brave for telling you what I really think. Interestingly, Fantagraphics says it’s his first comic in 23 years or something, so being afraid of #metoo comes off like a little bit of an excuse. Like, what was dude worried about in from 2002 through 2016 that he didn’t want to draw women’s asses and caricatures of Black people? “Oh man, I was just about to make art for the first time in a decade-and-a-half, I swear, it’s just that now Kevin Spacey’s an accused rapist.”

  13. Yeah, the Disney AI thing is baffling, but oh my, it will be so delicious to see this backfire!

  14. Vern: I’ll take your word for it that they’re not assholes. I still kind of roll my eyes at that type of dude. My whole beef with that whole class of provocateur is that they want it both ways. They want to be offensive but they complain when people get offended. If people weren’t Too Sensitive These Days, transgressive artists wouldn’t have a job. They need to have someone to offend or there’s no point to their work. So why do they get so upset when their work does exactly the thing they designed it to do? They succeeded in their goals. Shouldn’t they be proud? I feel like that’s the punk rock spirit, not bitching about the response of an audience their work was never intended for. These guys feel a little too close to Dave Chapelle blaming the crowd for not laughing at his hacky transphobic material.

  15. You cannot imagine how fulfilling it feels to have someone say, “I wonder who could best articulate the moral philosophy of the guy who wrote FUCK MY SON!” and immediately think of me

  16. I’m also interested in seeing this but as someone who was well into the indie comics underground of the 90s, Johnny Ryan and Mike Diana unfortunately got tagged “free speech warriors” during that decade simply because I believe both were investigated by the FBI (Diana for drawing a comic about bombing the wtc before the 93 attack and I think Ryan for mailing comics that had swastikas in them through the mail?). Their legal cause became bigger than their work which ultimately boiled down to just being as crass, juvenile, and offensive as possible. It wasn’t like they were smuggling some profound message that would shake up how society views itself. But I think they bought into their own legends and that’s what sounds like is coming across in the Q&A which would also rub me the wrong way.

  17. I’m sorry to leave a million comments on this one, it’s just a subject that deeply fascinates me.

    BuzzFeedAldrin: Frank Henenlotter directed a documentary on Mike Diana in 2018 and it’s fascinating because Diana himself doesn’t seem to buy into his own legend. The movie’s got all these talking heads (including Neil Gaiman, unfortunately) relaying the facts and how they felt. It’s narrated by Jello Biafra, who does his schticky “Hope this doesn’t get the squares’ panties in a bunch!” thing (I say this with love for Jello). And when I saw the movie, it was followed by a Q&A with Henenlotter, some of his crew and Diana himself. Henenlotter especially was talking about how these comics were the kick in the ass that culture needed, etc. And then whenever Diana got a question, he’d be quiet and a little awkward. He just wanted to draw and not get arrested. He didn’t wear being charged with obscenity as a badge of honor, didn’t see himself as a martyr, just wanted to make his intensely unwholesome comics.

    I think you’re dead-on about that type of artist, the kind of Last Vanguard Of Truth-Tellers who seem to think the entire world would aesthetically mirror a Roman Catholic funeral if they weren’t out here drawing swastikas in their $40 hardcover books. It’s just very weird that Mike Diana, the guy who was actually put through the wringer and unfairly persecuted, is a gentle, non-confrontational butterfly.

  18. Majestyk – No, I agree. They just came off more wistfully lamenting the sensitivities than whining about them, and I saw no evidence of bigotry or anything, so I couldn’t be too mad at them.

  19. I have a couple reviews in the works but there is a likelihood I will be light on new material next week because I have to really concentrate on a booklet essay that’s due. When I’m able to tell you what movie it is you’ll understand because it is pretty much the biggest honor possible that I would be asked to do this one. Meanwhile, I’m really enjoying the conversation here, thank you everybody!

  20. I know Rohal a bit and he’s no right wing woke warrior. But definitely is wistful for when there was a real place for movies and art like his. Back in the day some of the movies he made are the kind of thing that could have been real weird cult cinema, like a John Waters movie but now they’ll play at some festivals and then go to video, except for this movie because they’re making an effort to do theaters but they have to do it themselves.

    And shit the stuff he’s talking about is the same kind of thing I read on here all the time, where people miss when movies could be weirder or more violent or non-IP or whatever. Especially some people who are complaining about what Rohal said, but they say the same type of stuff. Ugh more art films made to fill capitalist coffers and not enough crazy shit. Rohal’s not upset if people think his movie is nasty he’s not an idiot, he made it for a specific audience, my guess is he’s more shocked that the AI shit is what offends people these days and not some good old rape-themed disgusting and violent imagery.

    And he’s not wrong about making a movie where the plot is essentially that a woman is kidnapped in order to be raped and the villain is a man in drag. This at a time where any movie that came out there would be a bunch of articles about if they passed the Betchel test, or be really concerned they put a fat suit on Brenden Fraser instead of finding an actual overweight guy to play that role. And there’s room for those conversations and they’re important as movies have been going on for a long long time where the default is white dudes in most of the roles and the woman is there to be rescued by them…unless it’s some weepy chick flick. Then whote women get to play the leads. But it’s a far time from the wild west days…maybe for the better in a lot of ways. Artisically, probably for the more boring.

  21. Here’s my contribution to the discourse of Haven’t Seen This.Movie Yet But Have Thoughts On The Status of Transgressive Art Nowadays.

    Until recently, most art and cultural discourse in the Western world has been produced by those who are white and/or male and/or cishet (usually all three) and the big culture clashes were between different factions within that: conservative vs liberal, rich vs poor, bourgeois vs bohemian, jock vs nerd, etc.

    There’s now a newer type of leftist who seem to feel that those divisions don’t matter – if you’re white / male / cishet then you’re privileged, full stop. It doesn’t matter if you were bullied or abused, if you’ve felt like an outsider your whole life – you’re now being told that you’re the same as your lifelong enemies, and that if anything you deserve to suffer more than you have.

    They have a point – until recently, we *have* been getting our art and discourse mainly from one type of person. And so now the culture is starting to favor other voices we haven’t been hearing from as much. But telling misfits and outcasts that they’re overdogs is still going to get the defensive “What the fuck, I’m one of the good guys!” reaction that Vern referred to.

    Also, free speech and freedom of expression are for everyone. It means that you have to put with other people’s speech but also other people have to put up with your speech. This used to be a core principle of the left. But many on the modern left now seem determined to reframe freedom of speech as something that only benefits bigots and therefore it shouldn’t be defended and if you care about it then you’re a bad person – and therefore you shouldn’t challenge them when they say that certain artworks (or artists) need to go away forever.

    So today’s edgy troublemakers find themselves locking horns with the sensitivity-minded left, not with Hays Code-era conservatives as they would have in a previous era. And if you’re artistic or intellectual then you’re not “supposed” to challenge the left, even when they resort to logic and tactics similar to the ones that conservative censors have used and continue to use. Rolling your eyes at this possibly means that in a previous era you would’ve rolled your eyes at William Burroughs, Henry Miller etc.

    It cuts both ways. I recently saw a scary documentary about how right-wing pressure groups have been lobbying local libraries – particularly in Texas – to remove books depicting LGBT+ or racial diversity, or historical injustices such as slavery. It’s almost as if “Let’s erase the past if it’s upsetting” and “If something makes me uncomfortable then I can demand it be withdrawn from the culture so that no one else can access it either” were bad precedents to set.

    But as Majestyk said above (and as Vern said in his review of KICK ASS) if you design your art to provoke then you can’t be upset when it provokes.

    As for AI … I understand the concerns that it’s bad for the environment, it takes away jobs, it’s trained on artists’ work without permission, and it just looks weird in a way that’s off-putting. But I guess I need more context for how it “financially benefits the actual specific fascists and corrupt oligarchs currently at war with our democracies” and “is the preferred aesthetic of fascists.” If ChatGPT, Adobe Firefly etc are the work of politically sinister forces then I guess I don’t know enough about that. And who is *preferring* the AI aesthetic – is there some kind of alt-right fan art or something that I haven’t seen because it’s outside my bubble?

  22. Curt, in regards to your last paragraph – Elon Musk is on Time Magazine as an “Architect of A.I.” Peter Thiel is a financer of OpenAI. Maybe Zuckerberg and Altman are just opportunists, but they’ve thrown in with Trump, and Facebook has certainly helped many an authoritarian regime. They’ve gotten much of the government (including Democrats) propping up their industry through contracts and deregulation, to the enrichment of someone and not to the benefit of the people. As far as A.I. being a fascist aesthetic, I came to this conclusion from the right wing propaganda littering Twitter before I quit a few years ago, and since then I’ve seen it in the news whenever Trump reposts a bizarre video like the one where he flew around in a weird baby jet spraying diarrhea on protesters, the one where he promised ELYSIUM style healing beds to everyone, etc.

  23. All that I have to add is that the people who are usually accused of being edgelords ARE edgelords. Believe it or not, but the general public can distinguish between the folks who just wanna push buttons for “harmless” laughs and those who are hateful assholes, even if they don’t always agree about how funny the respective joke is.

  24. Alright, fine. I’m convinced. I apologize for being a distrustful, cynical Gen X asshole who distrusts other cynical Gen X assholes above all else. I’ve seen too many of my generation decide they get a lifetime pass to the revolution because they got picked on for wearing a Pixies T-shirt 30 years ago but they’ve long since devolved into alt-boomers who wish they could keep being ironically racist without anybody giving them shit for it. I’ve also never heard of any of these dudes before and, by temperament, I am also basically an old house cat: I am wary of new people and find it safer to assume they are here to eat me than to want to sit on their lap. I will try not to hiss and hide behind the couch if this movie ever becomes available in a medium that allows me to view it.

  25. I’m not a particular fan of AI but I wouldn’t call it fascist asthetic just because you’ve seen Trump and scumbags like him weaponizing it. You see that my guess is because none of us can escape ragebait. But liberals have used AI to make fun of Trump plenty as well, but I wouldn’t call it an antifa technology because of that. Like a lot of tools, depends on how you use it. I know a number of artists who use it, none of them are doing fascist stuff with it, more like animating cute creatures they designed and imported into the program.

  26. Dooley the Gravedigger

    December 13th, 2025 at 1:49 pm

    Good thoughtful review and discussion Vern.

    “Ryan’s usual publisher Fantagraphics used to publish porno comics but would not publish Fuck My Son (now a major motion picture).”

    Something is clearly going on there as Fantagraphics is still publishing giant Guido Crepax hardcovers (arty Italian smut) and is starting a new run of Milo Manara softcovers (very dirty Italian smut). The new run of critics and probably staff hanging around Fanta and their magazine The Comics Journal all lean towards younger and they have made it clear in their articles and interviews for TCJ over the past several years that there is stuff they support and stuff they very loudly do not – the old run of writers only really cared about comics, the new contributors care about a lot of other stuff besides comics – so I wonder if Ryan’s mooted book was affected by this. Maybe?

    There’s horrible treatment of animals in CANNIBAL FEROX, CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST and likely many others from the Italian cannibal subgenre. I have books and fanzines covering those movies (and there’s a giant Eugenio Ercolani hardcover on Kickstarter right now with interviews with the makers) but as a whole the films don’t justify what they did to the animals, even if Deodato says the natives ate the dead animals and the guy who killed the turtle was raised on a farm and was blasé about killing animals for meat. Naming FEROX is on target as even the folks in that movie (like Radice / John Morghen) hated the film and the experience. I bought a fat Italian book on Lenzi’s movies from an Italian publisher’s site – in Italian! – and spent half a week using Grok to translate some chapters (maybe permissible here as I was never going to pay a local translator to translate a 500 page book for me). I stopped after a chapter or two as one interviewee after another said Lenzi was an asshole and few had nice things to say about him.

    AI is interesting but I’m certain the road it will drag society down will be worse than the old one, and there are fewer things more depressing than seeing a local AI film festival pop up with smirking young Zoomers posing for photos in front of the flashy FX blockbuster they ‘made’ by asking an AI bot to copy STAR WARS and add more explosions. Those kids will be hired by a commercials studio and will be driving around in an expensive car in 6 months, doing commercials for big companies that demand they use AI for each commercial and nothing else. I guess this is progress?

    “Interestingly, Fantagraphics says it’s his first comic in 23 years or something, so being afraid of #metoo comes off like a little bit of an excuse. Like, what was dude worried about in from 2002 through 2016 that he didn’t want to draw women’s asses and caricatures of Black people?”

    Crumb spent nearly six years straight from 2003 to 2009, at the request of a major publisher, drawing a heavily illustrated adaptation of a famous book. Perhaps you’ve heard of it?

  27. I saw a Cybertruck and I realized that that’s a pretty good analogy too. Somebody who buys one Cybertruck probly doesn’t keep Elon Musk in business, likely hasn’t seig heiled any large gatherings, may not be a white nationalist, may not like that he is killing hundreds of thousands of people through the slashing of government programs he did just to be an asshole. Still, every single solitary (and they ARE always solitary every time I’ve ever seen them) person driving a Cybertruck absolutely looks like a dumb fucking asshole. They were okay being associated with all that in order to get a shitty product that looks stupid. Using A.I. in your movie is a similar concept.

  28. Dooley— I’m just telling you what Fantagraphics’ press release said. Maybe they meant “original work” or maybe they couldn’t get through his bible adaptation either. Which I have heard of. Please change my joke to:

    “Like, what was dude worried about in from 2009 through 2016 that he didn’t want to draw women’s asses and caricatures of Black people? “Oh man, I was just about to make art for the first time in an eight years, I swear, it’s just that now Kevin Spacey’s an accused rapist.”

    Much funnier now.

  29. Sorry for responding all sassy. Sincerely.

  30. Dooley the Gravedigger

    December 14th, 2025 at 11:39 am

    Alex R., Crumb drew both a ZAP issue and a voiume of his ART & BEAUTY pinup series through that period, so I don’t know what Fanta is getting at either.

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