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Griff
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ok guys, I feel embarrassed bringing this stuff up, it's hard to talk about these kinds of things without seeming like a crazy person (isn't that always how it is?), but I got to get this off my chest

 

so, I'm sure many of us have heard the conspiracy theories about modern pop stars like Lady Gaga and Rihanna having Illuminati symbolism in their music videos and whatnot (see this site for more infohttp://vigilantcitizen.com/

now I like to think of myself as a rational, logical person, I don't WANT to believe these conspiracy theories, the trouble is it's becoming increasingly hard to deny them, I mean what can I say? there's undeniable Illuminati symbolism all over the place these days, you just can't say that people are reading too much into things because they make it as blatant as they obviously can, an eye at the top of a pyramid is an eye at the top of a pyramid, there's no ifs ands or buts about it 

the question is why, why is all this stuff there? why does every single fucking singer and fashion model always flash the "one eyed hand symbol"? every single one! it can't be a coincidence, this is being put there for a reason, but why? and why now? we've all heard of the "rock music is Satanic" conspiracy theories of the 80's and whatnot, but that was all pentagrams and stuff, stuff that was obviously thrown in for controversy or a joke, but why the sudden popularity in Illuminati symbolism? everybody knows about the Devil but not everybody knows about this stuff, so why do they put it in there? you don't see any "media outrage" over it, the only place you ever hear about this shit is the internet, not the news and not magazines, even the "9/11 is an inside job" conspiracy theories got talked about on tv, but not this stuff... 

so WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!? somebody help me out here, like I said I don't WANT to believe this kind of stuff, it's too depressing, but I can't for the life of me come up with an alternate explanation for it, it's just too blatant 

I got a baaaaaaaaaad feeling about this folks 

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Well, let's just say with a little work, EVERY conspiracy theory can be made up to look like it's true. I wouldn't worry about it. But in my opinion, it's always cool to read about stuff like that.

And then he pooped on the podium.

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I remember reading an academic paper about the origins of the Illuminati and how it became a symbol for hidden despotism in the late 18th century.  Apparently the founder of the organization started the Illuminati because he was basically turned away from the local Freemasons in what was then Bavaria, today Germany.  The Illuminati had its own set of symbols and organizing principles, but in the end it was pretty much just a gentleman's club where the members exchanged books and talked about Enlightenment philosophy. 

In the States a lot of people were worried about the Illuminati because, much like today, they were afraid that foreign influences, namely those from Eastern Europe, were secretly running our government.  There's a cool paper written in the 1960s detailing how this sort of paranoia is endemic to American culture. (It's called "The Paraoid Style in American Politics" and you can find it here: http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/c.....style.html).  The Illuminati were also a target because plenty of Americans were afraid of Enlightenment philosophy, which they considered elitist and anti-Christian (like Thomas Jefferson, many Enlightenment thinkers were deists).  The Illuminati apparently comes into play in a number of early American novels.  The only one I've read is Ormond by Charles Brockden Brown.  It's interesting stuff. 

But my favorite conspiracy theory may in fact be the one proposed by David Icke who claims that we are all being ruled by a bunch of lizard people in disguise.  I am not making this up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

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RBatty024 said
I remember reading an academic paper about the origins of the Illuminati and how it became a symbol for hidden despotism in the late 18th century.  Apparently the founder of the organization started the Illuminati because he was basically turned away from the local Freemasons in what was then Bavaria, today Germany.  The Illuminati had its own set of symbols and organizing principles, but in the end it was pretty much just a gentleman's club where the members exchanged books and talked about Enlightenment philosophy. 

In the States a lot of people were worried about the Illuminati because, much like today, they were afraid that foreign influences, namely those from Eastern Europe, were secretly running our government.  There's a cool paper written in the 1960s detailing how this sort of paranoia is endemic to American culture. (It's called "The Paraoid Style in American Politics" and you can find it here: http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/c.....style.html).  The Illuminati were also a target because plenty of Americans were afraid of Enlightenment philosophy, which they considered elitist and anti-Christian (like Thomas Jefferson, many Enlightenment thinkers were deists).  The Illuminati apparently comes into play in a number of early American novels.  The only one I've read is Ormond by Charles Brockden Brown.  It's interesting stuff. 

But my favorite conspiracy theory may in fact be the one proposed by David Icke who claims that we are all being ruled by a bunch of lizard people in disguise.  I am not making this up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

 

it still doesn't explain why all this stuff is getting referenced in modern pop music and fashion, I mean what's the purpose?

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In all fairness, just judging by the site that you linked to, apparently EVERYTHING is illuminati symbolism.

"Look, that guy over there eats an apple." "ILLUMINATIIIIII!"

And then he pooped on the podium.

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The Illuminati were honest-to-God (and I mean that in the most ironic way possible) heroes. Who else was opposing the influence of the Church at the time?

 

What the heck that has to do with Lady Gaga, of course, is beyond me.

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I believe all of the so-called Illuminati imagery in pop music today is a response to all the nutters saying the Illuminati run the music industry or whatever.  Once enough people started blogging about Kanye being the king of Illuminati or whatever I wouldn't be surprised if he started throwing more of that shit in there to drive them crazy.  I know I would, because it's fucking hilarious.

 

Anyway, if the Illuminati is such a secret society then why do they put clues in music videos and songs?  Do these people think THE DA VINCI CODE is a fucking documentary?

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caruso_stalker217 said
I believe all of the so-called Illuminati imagery in pop music today is a response to all the nutters saying the Illuminati run the music industry or whatever.  Once enough people started blogging about Kanye being the king of Illuminati or whatever I wouldn't be surprised if he started throwing more of that shit in there to drive them crazy.  I know I would, because it's fucking hilarious.

 

Anyway, if the Illuminati is such a secret society then why do they put clues in music videos and songs?  Do these people think THE DA VINCI CODE is a fucking documentary?

 

well to play Devil's advocate, the idea is to brainwash people

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Griff, don't know if you ever visit Las Vegas, but I got off the bus at the Premium Outlets North and was faced with a ten-foot, four-sided pyramid with an eye on top.  You're on to something ...

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Griff said

why does every single fucking singer and fashion model always flash the "one eyed hand symbol"? every single one! it can't be a coincidence, this is being put there for a reason, but why?

Why couldn't it be a coincidence? Because as far as I can tell from that site, the "one-eyed hand symbol" consists only of covering up one eye. And it seems that it doesn't even have to be with your hand. Just letting your hair fall over one eye or something is evidence that you're involved in the conspiracy. These people are photographed hundreds of times a year, along with video footage where each individual frame can be studied in isolation for possible "clues." So of course something matching the criteria is going to turn up.

As for the eye on the pyramid, it's on (for instance) the U.S. one-dollar bill, so it's going to be an obvious piece of iconography for any art director looking for that sort of thing.

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Basically, there's growing distrust in the government across the board, and so these clowns throw in "conspiracy imagery" to seem "cool" and "aware" of what's "really going on". I have no idea who did it first(I was told Jay Z but hell if I know if that's true) and of course once people started picking up on it and commenting on it, others had to get in on the act. Then THAT inspires the really out there conspiracy guys who then start looking for it everywhere and seeing it even where it isn't.

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D.S. said
Basically, there's growing distrust in the government across the board, and so these clowns throw in "conspiracy imagery" to seem "cool" and "aware" of what's "really going on". I have no idea who did it first(I was told Jay Z but hell if I know if that's true) and of course once people started picking up on it and commenting on it, others had to get in on the act. Then THAT inspires the really out there conspiracy guys who then start looking for it everywhere and seeing it even where it isn't.

 

that is indeed the flaw with these theories is that they seem to assume that all famous people live in a total vacuum and A: never heard any conspiracy theories themselves B: can't themselves be conspiracy theorists and C: can't just Google their own names, stumble upon these theories and intentionally play them up just to fuck with people 

but I still find it all really weird because conspiracy stuff is something these artist's teeny bopper audiences don't know shit about (do you think a 13 year old girl has ever heard the world Illuminati, done more than glance at the back of a dollar bill, even know who JFK was or have more than a vague idea of what 9/11 was?), so why bother? then again maybe the idea is to scare old people just like the Heavy Metal rockers of the 80's slapping pentagrams on everything and singing about the Devil 

it is also pretty damn silly how this guy assumes that literally every. single. thing. from the media is part of this conspiracy, from Disney cartoons to silent films to GI Joe (seriously) to breakfast cereal to God knows what 

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