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		<title>By: Jam</title>
		<link>http://outlawvern.com/2010/01/28/bringing-out-the-dead/#comment-20031</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked this when I first saw it. The first hour is one of the best representations of insomnia that I can remember.</description>
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		<title>By: Mikey_Likes_It</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey_Likes_It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GREAT MOVIE!  Thanks for the review of a great film!  As a public servant, I&#039;ve worked night shift for over three years and have seen my share of horrible crime scenes.  As such, this movie really struck a chord for me.  Wow, thanks for the great work Vern!  Long live Seagal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREAT MOVIE!  Thanks for the review of a great film!  As a public servant, I&#8217;ve worked night shift for over three years and have seen my share of horrible crime scenes.  As such, this movie really struck a chord for me.  Wow, thanks for the great work Vern!  Long live Seagal!</p>
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		<title>By: Jareth Cutestory</title>
		<link>http://outlawvern.com/2010/01/28/bringing-out-the-dead/#comment-19006</link>
		<dc:creator>Jareth Cutestory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgin Gary: The only reason I asked about CITY OF ANGELS is because apparently Dennis Franz is in there somewhere. I&#039;d have forgotten the existence of this movie entirely if not for that weird bit of casting. I imagine Franz playing Damiel and going all Mamet on someone&#039;s ass.

I saw BANGKOK DANGEROUS in a hotel in Havana recently. It really wasn&#039;t that bad, certainly no worse that LORD OF WAR and probably better than NATIONAL TREASURE. Maybe I&#039;m being generous because it was the only thing on tv at the time. But at least Cage got the Pang Brothers for the remake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virgin Gary: The only reason I asked about CITY OF ANGELS is because apparently Dennis Franz is in there somewhere. I&#8217;d have forgotten the existence of this movie entirely if not for that weird bit of casting. I imagine Franz playing Damiel and going all Mamet on someone&#8217;s ass.</p>
<p>I saw BANGKOK DANGEROUS in a hotel in Havana recently. It really wasn&#8217;t that bad, certainly no worse that LORD OF WAR and probably better than NATIONAL TREASURE. Maybe I&#8217;m being generous because it was the only thing on tv at the time. But at least Cage got the Pang Brothers for the remake.</p>
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		<title>By: Virgin Gary</title>
		<link>http://outlawvern.com/2010/01/28/bringing-out-the-dead/#comment-18960</link>
		<dc:creator>Virgin Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no, i never saw CITY OF ANGELS. it just seemed like the kind of movie i should avoid like the plague. at the time, i was opposed to it on mere principal (hollywood remake of WINGS OF DESIRE) and then when i saw the trailers i was quite certain i would never willingly watch it. yeah, i think it was less a remake and more inspired by and using a similar premise. in any case, that was maybe the first movie of nic cage&#039;s middle, fallen-from-grace period, wherein he starred in so many awful looking movies (CITY OF ANGELS, THE FAMILY MAN) and even when he starred in an interesting-looking project, like this one, his performances often lacked the exciting edge of his earlier work (there are exceptions though: FACE/OFF and SNAKE EYES, for example), so that it became very hard to get excited about him starring in any movie. but then of course was his quasi-return to grace in recent years, with just enough interesting and/or great performances to keep me as a fan (ADAPTATION, MTACHSTICK MEN, THE WEATHER MAN, BL: PoCNO, KICK-ASS), while still making tons of horrible-looking garabage (NATIONAL TREASURE, NEXT, BANGKOK DANGEROUS, GHOST RIDER, etc. etc.).

i just looked up cliff curtis on IMDb and apparently he was in THE PIANO, but i don&#039;t remember him in it (i didn&#039;t know who he was when i saw it, and i saw it so long ago that i don&#039;t remember the details of it clearly, but i liked it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no, i never saw CITY OF ANGELS. it just seemed like the kind of movie i should avoid like the plague. at the time, i was opposed to it on mere principal (hollywood remake of WINGS OF DESIRE) and then when i saw the trailers i was quite certain i would never willingly watch it. yeah, i think it was less a remake and more inspired by and using a similar premise. in any case, that was maybe the first movie of nic cage&#8217;s middle, fallen-from-grace period, wherein he starred in so many awful looking movies (CITY OF ANGELS, THE FAMILY MAN) and even when he starred in an interesting-looking project, like this one, his performances often lacked the exciting edge of his earlier work (there are exceptions though: FACE/OFF and SNAKE EYES, for example), so that it became very hard to get excited about him starring in any movie. but then of course was his quasi-return to grace in recent years, with just enough interesting and/or great performances to keep me as a fan (ADAPTATION, MTACHSTICK MEN, THE WEATHER MAN, BL: PoCNO, KICK-ASS), while still making tons of horrible-looking garabage (NATIONAL TREASURE, NEXT, BANGKOK DANGEROUS, GHOST RIDER, etc. etc.).</p>
<p>i just looked up cliff curtis on IMDb and apparently he was in THE PIANO, but i don&#8217;t remember him in it (i didn&#8217;t know who he was when i saw it, and i saw it so long ago that i don&#8217;t remember the details of it clearly, but i liked it).</p>
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		<title>By: Jareth Cutestory</title>
		<link>http://outlawvern.com/2010/01/28/bringing-out-the-dead/#comment-18956</link>
		<dc:creator>Jareth Cutestory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virgin Gary: Have you actually seen CITY OF ANGELS? I&#039;ve always wondered if that one is as awful as it looked. Was it an actual remake of WINGS OF DESIRE or did it just borrow heavily from the concept? 

And I think ONCE WERE WARRIORS is really good. One of the most uncompromising depictions of alcoholism that I&#039;ve seen. It&#039;s my understanding that the film out-grossed JURASSIC PARK in New Zealand. Cliff Curtis wasn&#039;t a big part of the film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virgin Gary: Have you actually seen CITY OF ANGELS? I&#8217;ve always wondered if that one is as awful as it looked. Was it an actual remake of WINGS OF DESIRE or did it just borrow heavily from the concept? </p>
<p>And I think ONCE WERE WARRIORS is really good. One of the most uncompromising depictions of alcoholism that I&#8217;ve seen. It&#8217;s my understanding that the film out-grossed JURASSIC PARK in New Zealand. Cliff Curtis wasn&#8217;t a big part of the film.</p>
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		<title>By: Virgin Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virgin Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>also, i only skimmed a lot of the posts on this thread because of spoiler minefield, so i think i may have repeated what others said more eloquently. okay, that&#039;s my last caveat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also, i only skimmed a lot of the posts on this thread because of spoiler minefield, so i think i may have repeated what others said more eloquently. okay, that&#8217;s my last caveat.</p>
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		<title>By: Virgin Gary</title>
		<link>http://outlawvern.com/2010/01/28/bringing-out-the-dead/#comment-18943</link>
		<dc:creator>Virgin Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too many typos in my post to point out here. hopefully you all could follow it.</description>
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		<title>By: Virgin Gary</title>
		<link>http://outlawvern.com/2010/01/28/bringing-out-the-dead/#comment-18941</link>
		<dc:creator>Virgin Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a few scenes from this movie were shot on my block right in front of the apartment building i lived in at the time, so i could watch them shooting from my window. it was a block on the lower east side that was just on the cusp of massive gentrification, but it had not quite got there - though it was just one block away from the ludlow/orchard street gentrification lovefest, it was still mostly immigrants from the domincan republic and former soviet union living there, and it still looked really run down ( i guess i was part of the problem, but, fresh out of college and with little cash, how could i say no to a super cheap apartment - $375 a month! - in a great location?).

anyway, i remember watching them shoot the scene where nic cage smashes the windshield with a baseball bat and being amused at seeing nic cage. if it was now, i would have been super excited to see him, but at that time i had already given up on him (this was of course post CITY OF ANGELS). so as it were, i was way more excited to catch a glimpse of scorsese. unfortunately, he stayed inside a van the whole time in front of the monitors and directed by walkie-talkie. when i asked a crew member they said that&#039;s how he always did it. i remember being a bit disappointed, as i always felt that was a much more cold and impersonal way to direct, as opposed to being physically on the set and interacting with the actors directly.

when i finally saw the movie when it came out, i was amused to see that they had used my block to try and show the rundown hellish nightmare-scape that apparently was hell&#039;s kitchen in the 80&#039;s. it was also to see that the scene where cage chases marc antony into some dingy little alley because in actuality that dingy little alley was also on my block but it was in fact the entrance to this newly opened and swanky yuppie-butt bar. movie magic!

anyway, i had really been looking forward to the movie, being a huge fan of scorsese&#039;s, and it being - at least in my mind - something of a spiritual sequel to TAXI DRIVER (scorsese and schrader teaming up on a movie about hellish new york). but ultimately i, too, had a lukewarm reaction to it. stylistically, i thought it was great, and i loved all the little flourishes. i loved the soundtrack and the look of the movie and the way it was shot and edited (i always think about that shot where the camera follows the van down the street, panning vertically 180 degrees until the shot is completely upside-down). i dug the overall atmosphere. i thought goodman and sizemore were great. i just felt that there were too many elements that didn&#039;t quite click for me, story-wise. i always just kind of attributed it - possibly unfairly - to the source material, since i implicitly trust scorsese and schrader, but it was based on a book by an actual EMT worker, so how good of a writer could he be (again, probably not fair, but i couldn&#039;t help thinking that - ot that he couldn&#039;t be a good writer just cause he was a former EMT worker, but just cause he had never written anything before). also, i fond arquette&#039;s performance to be not very good (as i often find with her), and i thought Ethnic Everyman (TM) cliff curtis&#039; performance was distracting. what the hell kind of accent was he trying to do?? some kind of weird black-american/jamaican deal (it&#039;s been a while since i&#039;ve seen it)???

as an aside, i often find cliff curtis distracting in movies. it&#039;s funny how he&#039;s this maori guy from new zealand, but hollywood has basically cast him as just about every non-white ethnicity that there is on the planet other than maori (in fairness, there probably aren&#039;t too many maori characters in hollywood movies). i have seen him play arab (several times), iraqi, black (!), mexican, and several varieties of south american, to name a few. i usually admire his effort, but rarely actually like his performance, THREE KINGS being probably the only time i really liked him in a movie (i haven&#039;t seen WHALE RIDER or ONCE WERE WARRIORS, but i suspect he is more tolerable playing kiwi parts). he is sometimes convincing in his ethnic role (THREE KINGS) and sometimes horribly distracting (BOtD, TRAINING DAY).

okay, end cliff curtis rant.

in summation, not having seen BOtD since it came out, thanks to this review i have now had the desire to re-watch it finally rekindled. ooh, i just remembered i can but it on VHS for 50 cents at my local video shop! i shall be watching it soon...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a few scenes from this movie were shot on my block right in front of the apartment building i lived in at the time, so i could watch them shooting from my window. it was a block on the lower east side that was just on the cusp of massive gentrification, but it had not quite got there &#8211; though it was just one block away from the ludlow/orchard street gentrification lovefest, it was still mostly immigrants from the domincan republic and former soviet union living there, and it still looked really run down ( i guess i was part of the problem, but, fresh out of college and with little cash, how could i say no to a super cheap apartment &#8211; $375 a month! &#8211; in a great location?).</p>
<p>anyway, i remember watching them shoot the scene where nic cage smashes the windshield with a baseball bat and being amused at seeing nic cage. if it was now, i would have been super excited to see him, but at that time i had already given up on him (this was of course post CITY OF ANGELS). so as it were, i was way more excited to catch a glimpse of scorsese. unfortunately, he stayed inside a van the whole time in front of the monitors and directed by walkie-talkie. when i asked a crew member they said that&#8217;s how he always did it. i remember being a bit disappointed, as i always felt that was a much more cold and impersonal way to direct, as opposed to being physically on the set and interacting with the actors directly.</p>
<p>when i finally saw the movie when it came out, i was amused to see that they had used my block to try and show the rundown hellish nightmare-scape that apparently was hell&#8217;s kitchen in the 80&#8217;s. it was also to see that the scene where cage chases marc antony into some dingy little alley because in actuality that dingy little alley was also on my block but it was in fact the entrance to this newly opened and swanky yuppie-butt bar. movie magic!</p>
<p>anyway, i had really been looking forward to the movie, being a huge fan of scorsese&#8217;s, and it being &#8211; at least in my mind &#8211; something of a spiritual sequel to TAXI DRIVER (scorsese and schrader teaming up on a movie about hellish new york). but ultimately i, too, had a lukewarm reaction to it. stylistically, i thought it was great, and i loved all the little flourishes. i loved the soundtrack and the look of the movie and the way it was shot and edited (i always think about that shot where the camera follows the van down the street, panning vertically 180 degrees until the shot is completely upside-down). i dug the overall atmosphere. i thought goodman and sizemore were great. i just felt that there were too many elements that didn&#8217;t quite click for me, story-wise. i always just kind of attributed it &#8211; possibly unfairly &#8211; to the source material, since i implicitly trust scorsese and schrader, but it was based on a book by an actual EMT worker, so how good of a writer could he be (again, probably not fair, but i couldn&#8217;t help thinking that &#8211; ot that he couldn&#8217;t be a good writer just cause he was a former EMT worker, but just cause he had never written anything before). also, i fond arquette&#8217;s performance to be not very good (as i often find with her), and i thought Ethnic Everyman (TM) cliff curtis&#8217; performance was distracting. what the hell kind of accent was he trying to do?? some kind of weird black-american/jamaican deal (it&#8217;s been a while since i&#8217;ve seen it)???</p>
<p>as an aside, i often find cliff curtis distracting in movies. it&#8217;s funny how he&#8217;s this maori guy from new zealand, but hollywood has basically cast him as just about every non-white ethnicity that there is on the planet other than maori (in fairness, there probably aren&#8217;t too many maori characters in hollywood movies). i have seen him play arab (several times), iraqi, black (!), mexican, and several varieties of south american, to name a few. i usually admire his effort, but rarely actually like his performance, THREE KINGS being probably the only time i really liked him in a movie (i haven&#8217;t seen WHALE RIDER or ONCE WERE WARRIORS, but i suspect he is more tolerable playing kiwi parts). he is sometimes convincing in his ethnic role (THREE KINGS) and sometimes horribly distracting (BOtD, TRAINING DAY).</p>
<p>okay, end cliff curtis rant.</p>
<p>in summation, not having seen BOtD since it came out, thanks to this review i have now had the desire to re-watch it finally rekindled. ooh, i just remembered i can but it on VHS for 50 cents at my local video shop! i shall be watching it soon&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Subtlety</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Subtlety</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>frankbooth -- I had a pretty similar reaction when I saw BotD... Liked it, but wanted to get into it more than I ultimately did. Stuff like the backwards-filmed dream is a cool idea but just never quite hit me on a gut level, which, sadly, is the way the whole thing felt for me. Good ideas, gamely executed, but something never quite gels and it ends up feeling surprisingly slight for such an intense attempt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>frankbooth &#8212; I had a pretty similar reaction when I saw BotD&#8230; Liked it, but wanted to get into it more than I ultimately did. Stuff like the backwards-filmed dream is a cool idea but just never quite hit me on a gut level, which, sadly, is the way the whole thing felt for me. Good ideas, gamely executed, but something never quite gels and it ends up feeling surprisingly slight for such an intense attempt.</p>
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		<title>By: frankbooth</title>
		<link>http://outlawvern.com/2010/01/28/bringing-out-the-dead/#comment-18932</link>
		<dc:creator>frankbooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But before I go, I&#039;ll address the topic: I should see BOtT again. As is so often the case, Vern&#039;s review has given me the desire to revisit the film. (Sometimes he gives me the desire to revisit films I haven&#039;t even seen. How is that even possible? Must be sorcery he picked up in the joint.)

I remember wanting to like it, hoping the lukewarm reviews were wrong, kinda liking it, but ultimately feeling that it didn&#039;t quite click somehow. And then it mostly passed from my memory, which is a bad sign. But now I can&#039;t remember what I didn&#039;t like, aside from it being a bit too familiar coming from Scorsese at that point in his career. 

I do recall that Cage&#039;s accent bugged me throughout the film. &quot;It was the neighborhood I grew up in,&quot; he  says in a lazy SoCal drawl.  Maybe I&#039;m being picky, but that sort of thing is a great distraction, especially in a film so anchored in a specific time and place. Even odder is the fact that he did a passable Queens accent in KISS OF DEATH just a few years earlier. Maybe a little broad and hammy, but at least he tried in that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But before I go, I&#8217;ll address the topic: I should see BOtT again. As is so often the case, Vern&#8217;s review has given me the desire to revisit the film. (Sometimes he gives me the desire to revisit films I haven&#8217;t even seen. How is that even possible? Must be sorcery he picked up in the joint.)</p>
<p>I remember wanting to like it, hoping the lukewarm reviews were wrong, kinda liking it, but ultimately feeling that it didn&#8217;t quite click somehow. And then it mostly passed from my memory, which is a bad sign. But now I can&#8217;t remember what I didn&#8217;t like, aside from it being a bit too familiar coming from Scorsese at that point in his career. </p>
<p>I do recall that Cage&#8217;s accent bugged me throughout the film. &#8220;It was the neighborhood I grew up in,&#8221; he  says in a lazy SoCal drawl.  Maybe I&#8217;m being picky, but that sort of thing is a great distraction, especially in a film so anchored in a specific time and place. Even odder is the fact that he did a passable Queens accent in KISS OF DEATH just a few years earlier. Maybe a little broad and hammy, but at least he tried in that one.</p>
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